Women’s view of choice re aborting fetus remains Dems’ most devastating weapon. Today’s Virginia legislature results, after Youngkin’s pleas for 15-week abortion “compromise,” will tell tale (again)

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Someone, maybe Einstein, once wrote or said, “Insanity is repeating the same thing over and over, expecting different results despite not getting them.” The same thing can be said about preaching the same sermon, expecting people to change, but not getting any change.
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    Posted by GaryL 1 year, 1 month ago
    I look at this issue from a different perspective.
    Women who would abort their babies probably should not be the mothers of our future generations.
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    • Posted by skidance 1 year, 1 month ago
      Women who don't want to become mothers shouldn't do so. However, that should not preclude their right to participate in responsible sexual relationships.
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      • Posted by GaryL 1 year, 1 month ago
        It's the "Responsibility" part I question. Sure, mistakes can and do happen and timing can be way off but it's not for me or any of us guys to say. Which is why I believe these decisions belong in the family, church and with the doctors and not at all in the state or federal governments perview.
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    • Posted by CaptainKirk 1 year, 1 month ago
      If it is a CLUMP of cells as they argue.
      Then the GUY should have the right to order the Abortion, or be ABSOLVED of financial responsibility.

      Let's see how fast that "Clump of Cells" argument lasts.

      My problem is that this has become a great Honeypot/Trap to snare a check...

      In the UK, it is believed that over 30% of ALL children are not the husbands. So much so, it is ILLEGAL to do a paternity test without the mothers permission... MMmmm Why?

      So, there is a strategy here. Lets take that away if we maintain this. What argument does a woman get if she agrees it's a clump of cells... UNTIL SUDDENLY they've trapped the right target... Then it's suddenly MY PRECIOUS!
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  • Posted by freedomforall 1 year, 1 month ago
    Your comment on insanity is the very core of the sewage coming from CNN.

    As for politics, politicians who expect remain in office while removing the abortion privileges that females have had for all their lives are foolish.
    Women constitute more than half of voters, and many vote solely to assure themselves the privilege of sexual promiscuity without responsibility.
    That voting block has repeatedly ignored the repercussions of the nationwide suicidal policies of the politicians they are supporting.
    Such universal suffrage is and has always been a mistake and is why the States United were never intended to be a democracy by the founders.
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    • Posted by skidance 1 year, 1 month ago
      Sexual promiscuity and having a normal, responsible sex life are two different things. Despite all efforts, contraceptives can and do fail. According to such reasoning, which unfortunately is typical here, woman shouldn't have sex unless they're married AND want to become mothers. Men, on the other hand, have carte blanche.
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      • Posted by mhubb 1 year, 1 month ago
        so murder the unborn child???
        really???
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        • Posted by skidance 1 year, 1 month ago
          I think I define "child" differently than do many people. To me, a "child" exists when it is capable of surviving independently of its mother's body, e.g., when viability is reached. That point used to be considered 22-24 weeks. With more recent medical advances, that possibly could be stretched to 20 weeks. So enough with a 15-week limit! To have a reasonable dialog, definitions of "person," "child," "murder," etc. must be agreed upon.
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      • Posted by CaptainKirk 1 year, 1 month ago
        Men have NO CHOICE once she becomes pregnant. I know someone who NEVER KNEW he was a father. They found him when the kid was 12, and made him pay 12 yrs of back-child support (NOT at the wage he was making 12yrs ago, but at his current wages). Then support until 18. Then he has to pay for some part of university... With NO rights as a parent, and no say in what they study.

        That's some Carte Blanche. This is the pendulum swinging too far.

        Back in the old days... Shotgun weddings were real.

        The system is broke. People are broke.
        Nature makes us desire sex when we are young and stupid... B/C otherwise our species would have died off over 1 million years ago...
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 1 year, 1 month ago
    IMO , full term any ole' time baby murder is being Schiff touted a as pregnant lady's health care issue. You know, like getting a flu shot.
    "Selfish" is a word that just jumped into me dino's noggin.
    Oh, I just tested positive for pregnant again. No big deal. Off I go to see my abortionist again. La! La! La!
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    • Posted by $ splumb 1 year, 1 month ago
      I knew a girl who had eight abortions.
      Eight.
      Keeping her legs closed apparently never occurred to her.
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      • Posted by skidance 1 year, 1 month ago
        And I knew a woman who had 8 drug babies, who all became court dependents at taxpayer expense, most of whom had developmental, physiological, learning disabilities, and/or behavioral issues. Drugs apparently inhibited her ability to "keep her legs closed," or to elect to abort fetuses which were nearly doomed to be defective.
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        • Posted by $ blarman 1 year, 1 month ago
          I have two nephews (adopted) who were drug babies. One has a completely lobotomized sense of right/wrong. He literally doesn't get why something is wrong. He steals from his parents. He nearly got shot by a girl's mother because he was going over to her house to have sex with her. The other one is mentally damaged IQ-wise. His adoptive parents (my sister-in-law) are pretty sure that he'll never be able to be a responsible head-of-household and are resigned to the fact he will probably live with them for life.

          I have heard of judges ordering drug addicts to get permanent surgery to render them infertile. Sounds like this woman was way overdue.
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    • Posted by skidance 1 year, 1 month ago
      If a woman doesn't want to become pregnant, and does everything possible to prevent such an occurrence, but it still happens, what is she to do?
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      • Posted by $ allosaur 1 year, 1 month ago
        In the good ye olde days, she would have the baby and put it up for adoption. Of course, way back during the good olde back then depending where she lived, she may be scandalized or shunned or something.
        A modern Muslim girl may be killed for shaming her father. Maybe even stoned by her neighbors.
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  • Posted by $ Markus_Katabri 1 year, 1 month ago
    Democrats gonna Dem. I could go punch one in the face I suppose but then I’ll just have bloody knuckles and be put in a cage. We can’t even stop them from using the wrong bathroom. How we gonna stop them from doing this?
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  • Posted by $ Markus_Katabri 1 year, 1 month ago
    I’m at the point where I’m just sick of arguing morality with the immoral. I can’t stop them. Short of violence. I don’t agree with it. We could write a law I suppose. But we’ve had those already. Bloody lot of good they did.
    I’m left too at least be satisfied that the people who do it will not be able to pass their dysfunction on to another generation. If there is a silver lining to this dark storm cloud that would have to suffice.
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  • Posted by Eyecu2 1 year, 1 month ago
    I support abortion on demand, and then sterilization of both involved.
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    • Posted by skidance 1 year, 1 month ago
      I think that there should be societal pressure not to have sex without proper precautions by both parties, each and every time, unless married and otherwise prepared to become parents. Sterilization should never be mandated by any governmental entity, although social pressure might be an option.
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      • Posted by Eyecu2 1 year, 1 month ago
        I am well aware that sterilization would never be mandated. It is basically my way of stating that I am against abortion and that I think that those that chose to kill a baby should suffer consequences for such a choice.

        I completely agree that societal pressure should be such that one would suffer terrible shame for miking that choice. The problem is that shame is a dirty word today. Things that are horribly shameful are common place today. Hell Susanna Gibson of Virginia should be to ashamed of her actions to even show her face outside; yet she ran for office lost and is now complaining that republicans used her actions against her.
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        • Posted by skidance 1 year, 1 month ago
          Again, the definition of a "baby" should be clarified.
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          • Posted by Eyecu2 1 year, 1 month ago
            Agreed. For me personally it is a baby at conception.
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            • Posted by skidance 1 year, 1 month ago
              What is the basis for your belief? How do you define conception? Implantation doesn't occur immediately, after all.
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              • Posted by Eyecu2 1 year, 1 month ago
                The basis for my belief is religious. Otherwise I would use a biological argument and go with when the child could survive a reasonable amount of time outside the womb; therefore, around 24 weeks.
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                • Posted by mccannon01 1 year, 1 month ago
                  Adding to what you are saying, Eyecu2, one doesn't need a religious argument to take a pro life position. Simply explore a line of reasoning starting with are we a civilized people? If we are, what is an important characteristic of being civilized? I would say respect for the value of human life. Then isn't human life a natural progression starting with conception and gestation and proceeding through infant, toddler, preteen, adolescence, young adult, mature adult, and geriatric adult? Killing this living entity at any stage is killing a human life and extreme care and reason must be presented before doing so.

                  I part with Ayn Rand's assertion that the gestation phase is not part of being human regardless of how well she verbalized her argument.
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    Posted by skidance 1 year, 1 month ago
    I'm astonished and appalled that so many of those who post here adhere to irrational/religious postulates, especially those relating to sexual behavior, contraception, abortion, etc. What about a woman's rights to self-determination, self-defense, and to her own right to determine the course of her life? Yes, sexual activity is fraught with risks, which should be avoided to the extent possible. Contraceptive failures shouldn't condemn a woman to nine months of cruel and unusual punishment (including health issues and risk of death), followed by 18+ years of involuntary servitude.
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    • Posted by $ blarman 1 year, 1 month ago
      Why are you astonished or appalled? The power to create life comes with responsibility (cue Spider-Man) and society has tried to divest themselves of that responsibility to their own detriment. Grown-ups accept that sex has consequences. Teen-agers (I have more than a few) prioritize temporary pleasure over a lifetime of parenthood. Time to grow up.

      It's no different than operating a motor vehicle. You do it recklessly and you end up in an accident refusing to take responsibility for your own actions. Mature people understand that risks are involved and they take responsibility to drive safely.
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    • Posted by mccannon01 1 year, 1 month ago
      Pregnancy is not cruel and unusual punishment. It is natural to the female members of our species and is a requirement for the survival of the species. Parenting a child to adulthood may have it's challenges, but it is not involuntary servitude. If one thinks it is, then give the child up for adoption, don't kill it. If you treated your parents like servants and they let you get away with it, then that's your and their problem.

      Oh, did I mention my son is adopted? He's 50 now and in spite of many challenges, my wife and I were never his servants and he was never our master. He is a fine responsible loving man with three sons of his own and I wouldn't trade away a single second of our relationship. If his birth mother aborted him all that would never have been.
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        Posted by skidance 1 year, 1 month ago
        Perhaps not unusual, though it would be for a male. Cruel indeed, if a female doesn't wish to experience the pain, discomfort, and risk of pregnancy and childbirth, not to mention the cost and inconvenience of parenthood. Also, not everyone should become a parent, for various reasons.
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    Posted by skidance 1 year, 1 month ago
    I see that biological science and reason have nearly zero significance in this debate. Emotion rules, as usual.
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    • Posted by $ blarman 1 year, 1 month ago
      What science and reason precisely are being ignored? It seems to me that the emotional one is the one arguing that the desire for pleasure should come without the responsibility that naturally occurs. But maybe I have it backwards. Please enlighten me.
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        Posted by skidance 1 year, 1 month ago
        Did you read the link I posted above? It's one example. Also, if one's underlying premise is that fetus is a child from the moment of conception, or some other arbitrary point, emotions will rule regardless of the facts.
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        • Posted by $ blarman 1 year, 1 month ago
          "if one's underlying premise is that fetus is a child from the moment of conception, or some other arbitrary point, emotions will rule regardless of the facts."

          I'm interested in any facts you'd like to bring to the discussion. Please elaborate.

          And if you're pointing to the webmd article, you might want to read it. They state themselves that the facts aren't clear. Not sure how this bolsters any "scientific" claim...
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            Posted by skidance 1 year, 1 month ago
            If the facts aren't clear, they haven't yet been established as fact. Insufficient knowledge isn't proof of an assertion.
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            • Posted by $ blarman 1 year, 1 month ago
              Which is why I'm interested in the "science" that tries to prove that an infant in the womb isn't a human child deserving protection. Abortion admittedly halts a natural process which if left alone would result in a human child. Morality says that we shouldn't initiate force without a conviction for a criminal act. I'm not seeing either a scientific or moral justification for abortion here...
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    • Posted by mhubb 1 year, 1 month ago
      any excuse to declare the unborn a non-person so you can destroy it

      who next will you declare as "inconvenient" and seek to murder?
      the old? the sick? those that do not vote the way you like?


      you missed you time, Germany, 1933-1945
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      • Posted by skidance 1 year, 1 month ago
        You assume facts not in evidence. Also, Rand herself wrote that those who are anti-choice are anti-life. I do agree with her that abortion becomes questionable after viability, the borders of which are shifting medically. I do believe in self-defense, but not in the initiation of the use of force. Again, you and I have vastly differing definitions of the pertinent terms and therefore will never agree.
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        • Posted by $ blarman 1 year, 1 month ago
          False dichotomy fallacy. The original choice was to have sex. Pregnancy is a potential consequence of that choice. This hasn't changed since humanity came into being.
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