"Obedience to Authority"

Posted by CarolSeer2014 10 years, 2 months ago to Government
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In the 1960's, the psychologist Stanley Milgram, in attempting to understand the brutality prevalent in Nazi Germany, did a study investigating the reasons people obey authority figures. Ostensibly, he told participants he wanted to study the effects of punishment on learning ability. The results were amazing, and also frightening.
He published a book in 1974--"Obedience to Authority", about these results. Please Google in your interested in government and human nature and ...all else.
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  • Posted by khalling 10 years, 2 months ago
    1. Most people do not think things out. db tells a story of an engineer he worked with, who had been at this company 10+ years and one day he said, "you know, I'm not sure I like working for a company that makes things that kill people."
    2. experts appeal. This is dependent on the dominant ideology. In Universities, it has been that reason is impotent. Somehow, a small group of "experts" are the only ones who can understand this and you should not question their reasoning. In fact, it's an asset that you are surrounded by "experts" that let you focus on things you want to and just absorb their analysis through media.
    3. Don't think as individuals and nurture social systems that hold altruism as a standard of living (Comte). This is what we fight worldwide.
    http://www.altruists.org/about/altruism/...
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    • Posted by 10 years, 2 months ago
      I think you're getting to the crux of the problem, kh, when you say "Don't think as individuals"...More than anything, Rand's philosophy appealed to me, as an adolescent, because of its very insistence on personal responsibility and restraint, and its focus on reason as its determinating factor. There is much in Rand and Individualism that constrains Mob Rule.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 10 years, 2 months ago
    I've always followed the adage, 'Always question authority.' I simply don't accept that anyone has authority over me unless I grant that authority, and I don't know that I've ever met or heard of another that I would trust with that power.

    And yeah, it's caused me difficulty in dozens of situations throughout my life. But I would rather have had the difficulty that just accept that anyone had automatic or positional authority over me.

    KYFHO
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  • Posted by Solver 10 years, 2 months ago
    People want to feel secure. Others promise this security. It could be a voluntary trade until some unwanted initiation of force for the "greater good” of the realm intervenes.
    Also at the core is common public training of society's youth as well as religions, which teach “don't think independently, obey the higher powers.”
    It is rare that the mystics of the “greater good” will respect individual rights, which include property rights, and the right to own oneself.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 2 months ago
    I wish the politicos could understand the difference between a "police force" as protection for law-abiding citizens, and a "police state" as an oppressor of law-abiding citizens.
    But then after having been educated in our conformist dominated education arenas, they seem no longer able to make differentiations, or judgements.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 2 months ago
    I agree with khalling's summary.

    We're inclined to make decisions based on things we learned or worked out in the past. Then we rationalize the logic behind them later. When we encounter a new situation like this, it's not normal for us to stop and make a logical and ethical decision. We can overcome this, but we must work at it consciously.

    If this experiment had been done to me w/o my having heard of it, I would have not pressed the buzzer b/c it violates the National Electric Code (NEC). Instead of refusing b/c it's wrong, I'd follow some other stupid authority, the NEC. Hopefully having heard about the experiment, I would not participate even if it was something completely new to me. It chills me to think maybe some gov't standard has so much sway.

    I can't be sure that w/o knowledge of electricity and the NEC I would not have pressed the buzzer.
    http://youtu.be/an1arrfDlYQ
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    • Posted by 10 years, 2 months ago
      You make sense, CG. Your logic circuits work well. I did want to mention that when I discussed this study with BHO he thought, and still does, that obedience to authority is a good thing--
      I also told him that power in corporations is different than power in government, because government could always make it a law--thus the exponential growth in gov't regulations--his thinking is that gov't making it a law is, again, a good thing. His Marxist, Socialist background.
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