My God no zoning regulations!!! Next they'll be calling for the elimination of the FDA, EPA, DOE, Agriculture, Dept. of Ed., How will America survive without the Regulators?? How? :-)
If you have ever traveled to South America and spent time in the cities, you'll understand why we need the EPA. The emission pollution in South America is awful to the point that I had difficulty breathing.
If businesses were responsible enough to reduce emissions on their own, then we wouldn't need the EPA.
It really comes down to responsible business operators.
In the beginning of the environmental movement, almost all Americans were in agreement that clean air and clean water were highly desirable goals. After the Marxists took over the EPA, they began to implement a plan of property expropriation which has continued to this day and is accelerating.
South America is just now coming on line. It will take time BUT they will eventually improve their technology and pollution will decrease with industrial efficiency. Until then, do your best with our modern technology to keep yourself healthy when traveling there.
Yes. I had a recent opportunity to discuss the inefficient engine question in a manufacturing facility here in the US. This factory makes custom vehicles and the exhaust system required to meet EPA standards is so massive and expensive hat it inhibits the manufacturing process. The engine manufacturer came up with the appropriate solution by designing a highly efficient engine which when tested equaled or exceeded EPA standards with normal stock exhaust components. The EPA refused to budge. The expensive and bulky exhaust is still being installed. The efficient engine isn't being manufactured.
If individual rights have been violated, then the victims should be compensated. That's up to the courts. If this system is not active and working well then more individual rights violations from the same sources tend to just get bigger and bigger. No national EPA needed.
I seem to remember having heard (i.e. "I have zero references.") that in the latter part of the 19th Century there was a court case in which private property rights were poised against polluting smoke from a factory. The case was decided for the factory, as "the price of progress."
From a different point of view, Ayn Rand once said, "Anyone over 30 years of age today, give a silent 'Thank you' to the nearest, grimiest, sootiest smokestacks you can find." (http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/ecolog...)
Well if it can be proven objectivity that the "waste" is violating the rights of individuals in the area, then those individuals should be compensated by that business. The key word is "objectively."
Courts don't operate for free, and when you throw legal lobbying into the equation, you go down the path that feels very much like Atlas Shrugged. You create a situation for the creation of looters.
The most effective solution is for the business to operate responsibly even if it costs them profits. This is starting to pay dividends now as the need for unions is diminishing.
This is a non-real-world solution. I have found no track record for this in history. I think that 'responsibility' is the key: if the company pollutes, then it is responsible for the sequela, including deterioration of buildings, emphysema, cancer...
We have let businesses be immune from the known repercussions of their works, and this encourages heedlessness. The problem here is putting real parameters on 'repercussions'. I would not want those repercussions to include the impact on free living cockroaches in North Dakota, or even having to assess that level of affect, but I would want 'repercussions' to include rendering a stream unsafe to drink or causing emphysema in a population.
Taxpayers? Lobbying? Imagine for profit businesses that watched for individual right violations like these and brought the cases to court. No EPA, no lobbying. Businesses that were guilty of these violations would be fined, based on their violations, and the victims compensated. Businesses that were constantly blatant, would not be in business long. These business would quickly learn they "need to operate responsibly even if it costs them profits."
For-profit lawyers can already sue companies for violations of individual rights, among other things. And even businesses that "act responsibly" according to Objectivist standards can face costly nuisance suits. I don't see how this situation would change under your proposal. And who would pay court costs?
These courts would be paid for by such things as, the people to want the service, part of the fines objectivity determined and any voluntary contributions. Nuisance suits primarily exist because of the insanity of the system today.
When enough businesses are blatantly violating individual rights people's capital could be used to invest to stop this, and more of these watchdog businesses would appear. They profit by wining court cases and collecting part of the compensation as agreed upon by the victims. When enough businesses have stopped their violations, these watchdog business would start disappearing. Free-market capitalism.
I should mention that when I say, "people's capital," I mean the capital owned by private individuals, not some collective amount that has been extorted from them.
Where is the capital coming from? How are the awards by the courts set? Who creates the law?
If I give a business money, I expect a return, so after the court fees and attorney fees, I still need to make enough money back on my investment to make this work.
Again, this goes down the dark hole of lobbying.
I don't want government regulations, but I'm also not naive enough to think all businesses will act responsibly and make good decisions.
What you say is true enough regarding EPA. Except, I wish they took the stance of the county building inspectors. Building inspectors don't stop projects, they red tag them until the builder achieves the minimum acceptable building standards. Most of us would want our homes built to at least the minimum standard.
Currently, EPA does not act in that way. They have a politically motivated agenda and the regulatory power to stop, litigate, or bankrupt people and corporations out of step with the agenda. That's not regulation, that's force.
The problem is real, the solution proposed however is questionable.
One issue I see is trying to treat those countries like a fully-developed first-world nation. None of them qualify as that. Some are second-world and some are third-world. Environmental concerns are way up the scale on Maslow's hierarchy of needs compared to the daily needs for food and shelter. Until those countries have sufficiently developed in terms of economy and governmental structure, environment doesn't rank high on the priority list. Thus to me, the point is moot - especially when most of those countries face severe problems with organized crime and drug cartels.
Why are so many people moving into D.C.? Could it be the high per capita income of those sucking on the government teat? The real cure is to not treat the symptom but the cause; our overstuffed, bloated, whale sized government. Very soon, most Americans will either be dependent on government largesse or employed by it.
which is like a snake eating its tail; the inefficiency of digestion means that this perpetual-feeding-machine will falter quickly. why do people (not you, Herb!) keep thinking that you can make national wealth with theft? -- j
Houston? Way to go! I live here and this is another reason folks cannot get here fast enough.
If one wants zoning, then buy a bunch of land, then determine what you want to do with it using whatever discriminatory means you see fit (all fat people live here, idiots over here, Gulch over here, Muslims here, etc....).
Government determining what and where certain certain things should reside and take place is a pure exercise in elitism and partiality without accountability because those that put these often unelected people in their positions have sway that benefits themselves.
If I want to live next to a trash heap, then stay out of my way.
If businesses were responsible enough to reduce emissions on their own, then we wouldn't need the EPA.
It really comes down to responsible business operators.
Until then, do your best with our modern technology to keep yourself healthy when traveling there.
The companies just don't bother to apply the same standard for emissions in those country even though the technology is available.
It's a clear case of irresponsible behavior by businesses when operating in a loosely regulated area.
The country I was in was Peru, which I wouldn't consider a third world country or even a second world country.
I had a recent opportunity to discuss the inefficient engine question in a manufacturing facility here in the US.
This factory makes custom vehicles and the exhaust system required to meet EPA standards is so massive and expensive hat it inhibits the manufacturing process.
The engine manufacturer came up with the appropriate solution by designing a highly efficient engine which when tested equaled or exceeded EPA standards with normal stock exhaust components.
The EPA refused to budge. The expensive and bulky exhaust is still being installed.
The efficient engine isn't being manufactured.
From a different point of view, Ayn Rand once said, "Anyone over 30 years of age today, give a silent 'Thank you' to the nearest, grimiest, sootiest smokestacks you can find." (http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/ecolog...)
Courts don't operate for free, and when you throw legal lobbying into the equation, you go down the path that feels very much like Atlas Shrugged. You create a situation for the creation of looters.
The most effective solution is for the business to operate responsibly even if it costs them profits. This is starting to pay dividends now as the need for unions is diminishing.
We have let businesses be immune from the known repercussions of their works, and this encourages heedlessness. The problem here is putting real parameters on 'repercussions'. I would not want those repercussions to include the impact on free living cockroaches in North Dakota, or even having to assess that level of affect, but I would want 'repercussions' to include rendering a stream unsafe to drink or causing emphysema in a population.
Jan
Imagine for profit businesses that watched for individual right violations like these and brought the cases to court. No EPA, no lobbying.
Businesses that were guilty of these violations would be fined, based on their violations, and the victims compensated. Businesses that were constantly blatant, would not be in business long.
These business would quickly learn they "need to operate responsibly even if it costs them profits."
Nuisance suits primarily exist because of the insanity of the system today.
How would a business profit from watching for individual right violations? What's the business model?
When enough businesses have stopped their violations, these watchdog business would start disappearing.
Free-market capitalism.
If I give a business money, I expect a return, so after the court fees and attorney fees, I still need to make enough money back on my investment to make this work.
Again, this goes down the dark hole of lobbying.
I don't want government regulations, but I'm also not naive enough to think all businesses will act responsibly and make good decisions.
How popular would lobbying be if the government wasn't violating individual rights, and individuals would be punished for trying?
Who said anything about government regulations. That would be up to the private sector.
Currently, EPA does not act in that way. They have a politically motivated agenda and the regulatory power to stop, litigate, or bankrupt people and corporations out of step with the agenda. That's not regulation, that's force.
One issue I see is trying to treat those countries like a fully-developed first-world nation. None of them qualify as that. Some are second-world and some are third-world. Environmental concerns are way up the scale on Maslow's hierarchy of needs compared to the daily needs for food and shelter. Until those countries have sufficiently developed in terms of economy and governmental structure, environment doesn't rank high on the priority list. Thus to me, the point is moot - especially when most of those countries face severe problems with organized crime and drug cartels.
(Didn't say it was easy.)
of digestion means that this perpetual-feeding-machine
will falter quickly. why do people (not you, Herb!)
keep thinking that you can make national wealth with theft? -- j
If one wants zoning, then buy a bunch of land, then determine what you want to do with it using whatever discriminatory means you see fit (all fat people live here, idiots over here, Gulch over here, Muslims here, etc....).
Government determining what and where certain certain things should reside and take place is a pure exercise in elitism and partiality without accountability because those that put these often unelected people in their positions have sway that benefits themselves.
If I want to live next to a trash heap, then stay out of my way.