A Brief Lesson About Social Justice

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"Justice is the virtue of judging men's character and conduct objectively." Leonard Peikoff

"A bare fact, or a state of affairs which nobody can change, may be good or bad, but not just or unjust." Friedrich Hayek
SOURCE URL: https://www.centerforindividualism.org/the-mirage-of-social-justice-part-2-what-is-justice-anyway-its-not-what-sjws-want-you-to-think-it-is/


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  • Posted by 6 years, 2 months ago
    Justice seems to be one of the ever increasing number of words that are being redefined in our postmodern, subjective world. In this case, it is an example of subjective (group) morality.
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  • Posted by Solver 6 years, 2 months ago
    Justice is not, what social justice is.

    Someone said that if you want to corrupt a word and render it nearly meaningless just add the word, “social” in front of it.
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    • Posted by 6 years, 2 months ago
      Yes, another example is almost any college curriculum that ends in studies. As Voltaire said those who can make you believe in absurdities and can make you commit atrocities. Social justice is absurd, the atrocities are on the new.
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  • Posted by starznbarz 6 years, 2 months ago
    A woman, 26 years old looks around the subsidized apartment she shares with her 5 children, conceived with 3 different men, none of which are in the area. She has never had a job, existing solely on govt. benefits, as did her mother before her. Social justice, she is told, means her situation is the fault of others, who do have a job, make responsible choices and enjoy the luxuries of life that she does not, thus they owe her.
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    • Posted by Solver 6 years, 2 months ago
      Sounds like it's time again for the SJWs to strike with the hammer of vengeance to dole out some more collective punishment to some successful identity group out there. Much easier, using much less thought, than promoting individual responsibility and respecting individual rights.
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    • Posted by 6 years, 2 months ago
      Yes, sadly, generations have been conditioned against long term thinking and concept formation, that is social justice.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 6 years, 2 months ago
    Toyed with the idea of posting this myself, didn't get around to it...I am glad you did.

    Here is part one...I like the way it starts out: Empty. Meaningless. Thoughtless. Vacuous. Naïve. Hollow. Shameful. Fraudulent. Primitive thinking. Demagogy. Cheap journalism. Irresponsible. A grave threat. Destructive of the values of civilization.

    Part one: https://centerforindividualism.org/th...
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  • Posted by $ blarman 6 years, 2 months ago
    I've got a better one: Justice is the product reality awards us for our actions. It has nothing to do with man's judgment whatsoever: we have to match our judgment to reality and not the other way around.
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    • Posted by 6 years, 2 months ago
      I guess that would be a metaphysical interpretation. Ethically however, reality guides judgment, and in social settings, justice is the virtue of granting others what they deserve by judging character and conduct objectively.
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      • Posted by $ blarman 6 years, 2 months ago
        "justice is the virtue of granting others what they deserve" (emphasis mine)

        What one "deserves" is a subjective judgement call (made by a fallible human being). If you accept that definition, you are giving in to moral relativity. I accept no such notion. Reality is absolute and so are its standards. In order to be considered "just", our actions must match reality - not just what we want reality to be. I consider Piekoff's definition to be severely flawed.
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        • Posted by 6 years, 2 months ago
          Very good point, what one person thinks someone deserves can be much different than another. My usage of this phrase was taken directly from Leonard Peikoff's Objectivism, page 276. It implies rationality. Your response implies that all judgment is subjective and making all virtue relative.
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          • Posted by $ blarman 6 years, 2 months ago
            "Your response implies that all judgment is subjective and making all virtue relative."

            "All" is an overly broad word and I imply no such thing, but certain realities must be recognized. The first and foremost is that our "judgment" is only as good as our knowledge and adherence to reality. In some cases, we may know enough to make an objective comparison or conclusion. But reality doesn't respect our judgment call on the matter. Furthermore, we must also recognize that inherent biases and emotions are also a major part of how we look at things which can distort our ability to be objective - sometimes significantly so.

            Here's a good joke+illustration I heard:

            A school took a dozen math nerds and a dozen football players and put them on the 50-yard line of a football field. They put two dozen cheerleaders on the goal line. Then they told the math nerds and football players that they could advance in stages toward the cheerleaders, but only half the distance each time. The math nerds then walked off the field, quickly computing that they would never actually reach the goal line. The football players took the steps and quickly narrowed down the distance until they could get down to business. :)

            "making all virtue relative."

            Human beings are "relatively" honest according to their dedication to the virtue of honesty. The virtue is the standard, however, not the person. There is also the dimension of time to consider. A person may be 100% dedicated to honesty at any given point in time, but have they been so dedicated their entire lives so as to meet the ultimate standard? Not likely. Is that person "honest" then compared to the absolute virtue of Honesty?

            "My usage of this phrase..."

            As per my comments, if justice is an objective virtue, it can not be dependent on subjective interpretation. As quoted above, the supplied definition falls directly into this conflict - regardless whom it was written by.
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