Just plain crazy? Is that an Objective conclusion?

Posted by DeangalvinFL 6 years, 2 months ago to Politics
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I have another idea on this whole Kavanaugh vs Ford situation.
She is admittedly afraid of flying - namely an irrational fear. Neurotic is the more technical term.
She also was afraid to go into the supermarket with her Mom, per her testimony, as a teenager. Irrational fear - neurotic at the time.
She also claimed and still claims terror from a boy trying to kiss her - I "felt" like he was going to rape me. Irrational overreaction.
And she claims terror from a boy momentarily putting his hand on her mouth in reaction to her yelling - I thought he might kill me. Irrational overreaction.
All together - she is just plain crazy. Thus, she is telling the truth, but that truth is that she overreacts and feels unjustified irrational fears quite often.
We shouldn't be deferring to the crazy overreactors in our midst, but rather recognizing them for what they are worth.


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  • Posted by coaldigger 6 years, 2 months ago
    My wife and I were high school sweethearts, dated through college and have been married for almost 56 years. Most of our lives have been spent together and most of our memories of events coincide. There are sometimes events that we both remember vividly and they are materially different. We both are sure that our versions are the truth. I would bet we could both pass a lie detector test on questions relating to these differing stories. How could we find the truth? None of these are big issues but illustrate divergent memories of an event, possibly even agreeing on what others were present. On a few occasions we have found a third party to corroborate one side or the other and even to provide a different account all together.


    I have a hunch that Ford is bat-shit crazy but it is possible that the different stories are the result of 36 years storage in the memory. I have nothing positive to say about the Democrats that have the indecency to expose this sad person to the world in their attempt to derail the appointment of a judge whose crime is that he wants to protect the Constitution instead of rewriting it whenever it supports their agenda to do so.
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    • Posted by $ gharkness 6 years, 2 months ago
      This business of diverging memories is a fascinating subject! One can be so absolutely (or 100% as that stupid Ford woman attests) sure of something happening in JUST this way, only to discover through other objective means it wasn't that way at all!

      The theory (from one specialist in the subject and I am sorry I can't remember (!) his name, but only that he was extraordinarily good-looking :-) ) is that memories are stored on a virtual "shelf" in your brain. When you recall the memory, you "check it out" of the shelf, and often, before you re-shelve it, it can be changed without your conscious control. At that point, you re-shelve it and it's a different memory altogether. Albeit, it has similarities to one degree or another of the original memory.

      This Forbes article discusses memory storage, and the fifth theory it discusses is the one that I am referring to:

      https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/20...

      I bet it gets interesting around your house when you and your wife get to comparing memories and they don't coincide!
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      • Posted by coaldigger 6 years, 2 months ago
        I was an electronic engineer and designed control systems for industrial processes. I see the human brain as being much like the memory and logic circuits from those experiences. It is very easy to make a mistake due to the introduction of "noise" which gets stored and then produces unexpected results. I often think of some people that take the same facts and reach opposite conclusions as "not being wired right".

        At home we just let it roll our eyes and let it go.
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    • Posted by ewv 6 years, 2 months ago
      She has emotional problems but is not completely crazy. She functions in a serious career with intelligence. But she has a history of emotional problems, has required therapy for years, said she had only previously met Kavanaugh indirectly when she was with a friend, and only mentioned his name after he appeared in Trump's short list over thirty years later. That leaves a lot of room for not correctly identifying him properly and/or "remembering" as a result of conscious "reconstruction" in and out of therapy until it emotionally seemed to be a "memory". She has also been coached by activist Democrat lawyers with a history of politically motivated "making a case".
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      • Posted by mccannon01 6 years, 2 months ago
        "She has emotional problems but is not completely crazy. She functions in a serious career with intelligence." I have to agree with that assessment, but there is something terribly wrong here. Too much missing information to "lynch" Kavanaugh. Add the fact that his mother ruled against Ford's parents in court before Trump even ran for office and that act may have triggered a false appearance of Kavanauigh's face onto her scrambled memories. Ford's support of the Democrat party and hatred of Trump and his nomination of Kavanaugh for SCOTUS only poured gasoline on a fire already started in her mind. In the world of psycho-babble all sorts of scenarios can be imagined that could fill a fiction novelist's career of writing.

        Enter the Democrats that would do anything to crush any attempt to putting a Constitutionalist (or someone closely resembling one) on the SCOTUS. Ford is a lame horse, but the Democrats still pushed her onto the track. Not to win, but to disrupt the race and hopefully stumble the favorite from winning. In the end an innocent (IMHO) Kavanaugh's professional career may be forever trashed and Ford will have simply been a "useful idiot" for the moment and then discarded when no longer relevant.
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        • Posted by ewv 6 years, 2 months ago
          Whatever happened to Ford, the accusations against Kavanaugh and Ford's problems are too separate issues. Whatever actually happened to her, and her emotional state, require no explanation or response from the Kavanaugh nomination: It is more than enough that they have no evidence for their arbitrary assertions against him -- together with his own record of his character and evidence that he was not there at all. The rest is logically irrelevant to the nomination even though it is being emotionally exploited (along with several other subjectivist, hysterical mud slinging cases piled on by Democrat activists).

          But he is to be dragged down -- for the sake of the Democrat's obvious political goals to prevent the court from limiting their power under the Constitution -- in deference to Ford and her highly publicized victimhood and accusations, all promoted in a hysterical campaign for believing whatever a woman says against 'evil men'. We're supposed to go along with it without regard to reason, logic, ethics and justice -- morally intimidated by the demands to sacrifice strength to weakness along with the man-hating left's proclaiming the moral high ground as a basic premise. Don't grant them the sanction of the (real) victim. This is fundamental and should not be diluted by crazy conspiracy theories from the anti-conceptual mentality.

          Whatever Ford's actual history, and whatever her emotional problems and confusions, she is not innocent in this. She is a Bernie Sanders socialism supporter -- which fits and mutually supports her sense of life and emotional problems -- who is willingly being coached by high level national Democrat activist lawyers in the phony name of her "civic duty".
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          • Posted by mccannon01 6 years, 2 months ago
            Nicely expressed, ewv. However, although the accusations against Kavanaugh and Ford's mental problems can be handled as separate issues (the former legal and the latter a personal psychological issue), I see them as intertwined in this case because the [false] accusations are resulting from the problems. As you say "she is not innocent in this".
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            • Posted by ewv 6 years, 2 months ago
              We don't need an explanation of her behavior to know logically and legally that the accusations were made without evidence, but simple curiosity leads to wanting to know what she is doing in this circus. Both her emotional problems and her politics are mixed together in driving it -- with her politics, philosophical sense of life, and emotional problems themselves all mixed together in her mind.

              But her problems and her accusations are mixed in the political reality of how she is publicly accepted because logic is not exactly a strong point in today's politics and many people emotionally require an explanation of her actions before they are willing to reject her accusations as legally and politically irrelevant. They don't understand the principles of 'burden of proof' and 'innocent until proven guilty' in either thinking in general or the legal process. This is true of the left, the murky political emotionalists assessing "credibility", and the conservatives trying to defend Kavanaugh through appeals to bizarre CIA conspiracy theories about Ford, which are circulating everywhere including on this forum https://www.galtsgulchonline.com/post...
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              • Posted by mccannon01 6 years, 2 months ago
                I saw the CIA conspiracy thread and opted not to participate as the cited article was rather flimsy and I didn't have time for further research (I'm an old guy taking piano lessons for the first time and fooling around on the Internet cuts into the practice time, which I enjoy - not to mention there are many other things in life I do as well). Your discussion about Histrionic disorder was the most interesting section of that thread. Throw in a good measure of cognitive dissonance and you have a soup. As you point out, the mix in Fords head or even supposed connections to the CIA are irrelevant regarding lack of evidence to hang Kavanaugh.

                If someone wants to contemplate a CIA conspiracy story, then ask how a communist like Brennan can get to be in charge of the whole thing. I don't have the time to sort that out, either.

                Edited a grammatical slip.
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                • Posted by ewv 6 years, 2 months ago
                  Brennan was appointed by Obama and approved by the Republicans because the American sense of life is losing a battle against the explicitly collectivist establishment intellectuals.

                  As for the piano, read Peter Gammond's Scott Joplin and the Ragtime Era and Rudi Blesh and Harriet Janis' They All Played Ragtime for interesting history and inspiration. This was the original American music that led to the kind of popular music that Ayn Rand liked.
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                  • Posted by mccannon01 6 years, 2 months ago
                    Just got back here. Don't know who down voted your post here and wish whomever did so would have the decency to say why. I bumped it up one. Thanks for the leads. I enjoy music from the 20's and 30's including Scott Joplin. I'll check out those publications. Thanks.
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                    • Posted by ewv 6 years, 2 months ago
                      Someone systematically 'downvoted' all my posts in the thread and who knows what else. It's not rational behavior.

                      There is a lot to be said about and for the jazz and popular music of the 1920s and 30s and the ragtime era that preceded it, but it's beyond the topic of this thread.
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  • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 6 years, 2 months ago
    My wife remembers, clearly, the night she lost her maidenhood. It was at a party where people were smoking pot and drinking, yet she could probably recall the the month, date and year, if I asked.

    If my wife can be entirely clear, on such a subject, why can't "Professor" Ford?

    This entire situation is entirely too fishy to be accepted as fact by intelligent people.
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  • Posted by term2 6 years, 2 months ago
    I think that she is just irrational. Just the way she talks and answers questions gives me that impression. A loud noise would send her into a screaming fit. She became a professor to be coddled and protected from the world- like most of them are with tenure.

    That said, I think she made the claims without any specifics so as NOT to be discounted by some proof Kavanaugh would present that he couldnt have been a party to the event she claimed- because he had a valid alibi in another place at that time. Her answers were carefully crafted by her lawyer to be sufficiently ambiguous to protect her.

    Plus, she didnt drive and someone had to take her home and she didnt say anything to whoever it was that she doesnt remember? BS

    The whole thing is bogus, and invented by democrats to delay and eviscerate Kavanaugh. Its obvious, and the Repubs should accept this and simply confirm him.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 6 years, 2 months ago
    She's not afraid of flying - that's a lie she/her lawyers used to try to stall the process. She applied for a position in Australia - which would have required her to fly.

    I also call into question all of her other claims as well as being invented. Her psychologist (the one she talked to in 2012 when she was afraid Mitt Romney would propose Kavanaugh) won't release his notes about their exchanges back then but I would love to have been a fly on the wall...
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    • Posted by ewv 6 years, 2 months ago
      According to some accounts she is a world traveler, flying on vacations. She seems to be a hand-wringing type and may very well be afraid of flying along with a lot more, but she does it and it was no excuse to delay the hearing while Democrats stalled.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 6 years, 2 months ago
    As to Dr. Ford's "accurate" memory, I have a hypothesis. Maybe there was somebody who did attack her, and maybe she knows d well it was not Kavanaugh, but maybe she just wants to make somebody pay (possibly the original offender having gone off somewhere where he couldn't be found). And maybe she just wants to make someone pay for it. Re Mme. Defarge: "It was nothing to her, that an innocent man was to die for the sins of his forbears; she saw not him, but them." (Charles Dickens, Tale of Two Cities*.
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  • Posted by exceller 6 years, 2 months ago
    Don't know if this was posted elsewhere on the forum, here is an analysis of Ford's body language during the testimony:

    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=...

    Watch Feinstein, how "worried" she is, as if Ford had been hacked to death but miraculously lived.

    BTW: Ford says the boys locked the room. How did she managed to escape when she got lose through the locked door? Did the door unlock itself?
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  • Posted by $ Stormi 6 years, 2 months ago
    the first day of the hearings, I did not really believe her, but I did feel sorry for her, and thought she was in need of a psychiatrist. But now, I thing she is a manipulative liberal bitch helping the Dem agenda.
    Her grandpa (mother's side) was CIA Black Ops, She studied MK Ultra. She has done experiments with psychotropic drugs. She is an intern recruiter for the CIA at Stanford. Based on the regression present in both the badly writting letter, and her grade school voice at the hearings, she has been regressed, likely via hypnosis, wherre a planted fake memory could be placed. She might have been using psychotropics as well, as the CIA likes that in brainwashing. No, no more pitty party, she needs to be investigated thoroughly, and she and her cohorts need to put on some orane jumpsuits.
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  • Posted by $ 25n56il4 6 years, 2 months ago
    I just thought of something. Should have hit me sooner considering all my years in medicine. Ford was drinking water, then coffee, then a cola...when you take certain medications, your mouth becomes very dry. Particularly psychotropic drugs.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 6 years, 2 months ago
    Ford didn't remember this experience until 2012, during hypnosis therapy. These "recovered" memories are notoriously unreliable, and can sometimes be complete fantasies, which is why they aren't considered sufficient evidence in a court of law.

    The most valid proof that even Ford herself knows she isn't really "100% sure" her attacker (if one existed) was Kavanaugh is the polygraph she took. The unnamed, unidentified polygraph examiner did not ask her anything about Kavanaugh, but only asked if she thought the written statement she had given him was true. The written statement itself does not mention Kavanaugh, but the Democrats point to the polygraph as proof her identification of the judge as her attacker is the truth. To me it's nothing more than a carefully staged hoax, rigged as much as possible to appear real.
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    • Posted by BCRinFremont 6 years, 2 months ago
      Recovered memories usually include alien abduction and ghosts of long dead relatives...also very difficult to prove the veracity of....
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        Posted by ewv 6 years, 2 months ago
        Now you've got it: Ford is falsely believed to be at an obscure university controlled by the CIA because she is actually being held in Area 51. Kavanaugh's family came in on the crash of '47 at Roswell and she was abducted a few decades later. It's all part of the Agenda 21 black helicopter plot. OlduglyCarl's Nephilims are behind all of it.
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    • Posted by ewv 6 years, 2 months ago
      The polygraph documentation showing that Kavanaugh's name was not in the statement she gave is at https://www.scribd.com/document/38952...
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      • Posted by ewv 6 years, 2 months ago
        I looked at the Aug 7 hand-handwritten statement again and found that it did mention Kavanaugh once, by his first name only. Her one page statement was handwritten and less than fully grammatical, with words crossed out and others inserted between the lines. She mentioned Kavanaugh once with a barely legible "Brett":

        The part of the hand-written statement containing the name includes:

        "Two ['The'?] boys were in the room. Brett ['Bich''?] ['lay' - crossed out] laid on top of me and tried to remove my clothes while groping me. He held his hand on my mouth to stop me from ['ye' - crossed out] screaming for help. His friend Mark ['Mahk'?] was in also [sic] the room and both were laughing."

        The questions reported did not include Kavanaugh's name. The only two "relevant questions" reported from the polygraph test by the examiner, who was selected by her lawyers, were:

        "Is any part of you statement false?"
        and
        "Did you make up any part of your statement?".

        But she was asked several questions as part of the polygraph test. The questions from which those two were selected were characterized as "includes relevant questions addressing the issues to be resolved by the examination, comparison questions to be used in analysis, symptomatic questions, and neutral or irrelevant questions. All questions were reviewed with Blasey prior to the test." (Different types of questions are included for calibration of the physical polygraph responses.)

        The report does not say what any of the other questions were (let alone answers) or if any others not reported were "relevant questions addressing the issues".

        The report says that Blasey (Ford) first consulted with her lawyer without the examiner present, wrote the hand-written statement and gave it to her lawyer, then signed it in the presence of the examiner before the lawyer left the room. The examiner interviewed Blasey, in order "to formulate the relevant questions", and Blasey gave a verbal account of her claims. The examiner described what she said, including the name "Kavanaugh" several times in his description, but did not provide a transcript of the verbal interview. His report says that the polygraph test followed the interview. It does not say if the "statement" referred to in the polygraph test questions means the written statement or the verbal interview or both.

        The name at the top of the August 7, 2018 "Polygraph Examination Report" is "Jeremiah P. Hanalin", but no where is it stated that he was the examiner or whether the final report was written by the examiner or the lawyers.

        The lawyers also stated in their response containing the polygraph report provided to the Senate Committee request for documents that they "reserve the right to provide supplemental documents as necessary", as if they and not the US Senate decides what to offer, and "we will not produce copies of Dr. Christine Blasey Ford's medical records. These records contain private, highly sensitive information that is not necessary for the Committee to assess the credibility of her testimony", claiming the right to decide that, too.

        Regardless of the unreliability of polygraph tests, if one were to be taken seriously at all it would be accompanied by subpoenaed documents, not just those volunteered as helpful to her, and could not be filtered through Ford's lawyers the way this one was.
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  • Posted by $ 25n56il4 6 years, 2 months ago
    Well we should seriously consider your comments. I can tell you gave the matter a lot of thought. When you list it the way you did, it does give one pause. I am frankly puzzled by this lady, She was 'the perfect victim'. Maybe too Perfect?
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 6 years, 2 months ago
    Me dino thought Mad Maxine Waters when I read the title of this post.
    Listening to and looking at Dr. Ford, me dino could tell her elevator did not go all the way to the top.
    Such can't be perceived by those who just plain hates Trump for supposedly usurping (besides Democrat power) the progressive throne from Her Majesty The Entitled One Of
    The Glass Ceiling or are more specifically fans of Roe Vrs Wade and that Planned Parenthood assembly line for unborn baby butchery bandied about as a libtarded female health issue.
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  • Posted by EgoPriest 6 years, 2 months ago
    Begins the reign of the zero. She is a harbinger of greater chaos and disorders to come. They're letting the inmates out of the asylum (per Foucault) and opening to them the erstwhile halls of liberty, of sanity (per Rawls).
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    • Posted by EgoPriest 6 years, 2 months ago
      Jordan Peterson is the new Robert Stadler, he'll speak for his progeny on the Day of the Triffids as everyone grows inexorably blinder by the hour: https://youtu.be/_seRouGEZGY

      Where will YOU be? I will build "an ark" out of the living floorboards, beams and rafters of Galt's Speech.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 6 years, 2 months ago
    Most craziness is excusable but not the kind that ruins people's lives. Especially accomplished people.
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    • Posted by EgoPriest 6 years, 2 months ago
      No "craziness" is rationally excusable, whether it ruins peoples lives directly (or "only" indirectly).

      Evasion=Death (physical and/or spiritual).

      Every act of evasion, every dishonest lie, is malicious without exception. And anyone (not saying who) that tries to equivocate, are themselves dishonest).
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      • Posted by Herb7734 6 years, 2 months ago
        What many see as craziness, I find to be rational and vice-versa. When I was a kid from the age of 5 until I was 14 I thought I was crazy. Then@ 14 I read "The Fountainhead and began to realize it wasn't me that was crazy.
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  • Posted by mia767ca 6 years, 2 months ago
    she also claimed to be a "psychologist" in California...there is no record of her being an official psychologist...that is a crime...
    she is a professor at Palo Alto U.

    one of the Regents at Palo Alto is Sen. Feinstein's husband...

    her brother is a member of Fusion GPS...

    she participated in a #MeToo march in California with a rubber vagina on her head...

    need more...
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  • Posted by ewv 6 years, 2 months ago
    No, "just plain crazy" is not "an Objectivist conclusion". She has emotional problems, but your summary isn't objective at all, let alone an "Objectivist conclusion". Please leave Ayn Rand out of what are your own opposing views and approach.
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    • Posted by 6 years, 2 months ago
      What good are Ayn Rand's ideas if they can not be applied to real world situations which often have ambiguous data?
      I stated Objective, not Objectivist.

      Each of the two people are stating their Subjective truth via their memories and feelings. We as listeners may, if we choose to, try to make an Objective logical conclusion based on the tid-bits of inconclusive data. This includes their stated "data" of their subjective truths.
      I find it implausible that either one of them is outright lying. Thus, an attempt to square the circle by using some logic to fill in the holes such that both of them could be truthfully stating their recollections.
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      • Posted by ewv 6 years, 2 months ago
        No ideas are of value without objectivity (the word is not capitalized). You are not applying Ayn Rand's ideas to a real world situation. Your assertions of the summary of events is an invention, not "logic filling the holes" in "tidbits of data". You made up an account that you have repeatedly asserted as fact.
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