Olympic Bronze medalist - MeToo a decade past

Posted by $ jlc 6 years, 7 months ago to News
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I have read several discussions about the validity of the MeToo movement. One of the major discussion points has concerned whether there should be a time limit on these accusations. While I think that some of the accusations are spurious and intended as excuses or attention-getters, this one sounds real.

I think that this case is an important touchstone because if a Bronze medalist in the Olympics can have her claim disregarded and, in retribution, her life destroyed for having dared to make the claim that her coach abused her it illustrates what women risked for speaking up. This sounds to me like a high caliber person who was destroyed for her honesty, because it was inconvenient for the organization.

Jan
SOURCE URL: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-taekwondo-usa-meloon/former-u-s-taekwondo-star-waits-a-decade-for-her-metoo-moment-idUSKBN1HS0DN


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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 6 years, 7 months ago
    Back in the '70s, when I was still a captain in the Air Force, there was a major who engaged in blatant sexual harassment of a young married secretary. Sadly, at that time, it was difficult to file charges against him, even when his advances were physical, as he was careful most of the time not to be observed. However, I did catch him making a quick grab at her behind one day, and reported the incident to the colonel in charge of our engineering section. Of course he denied it, and was let off with a warning. Naturally this gave him the confidence to continue.

    I was furious that the colonel let the major off, so I decided I would punish him in my own way. As the section security officer, I decided who would get the extra duty of collecting classified material to be taken to the destruct facility. I arranged for everyone to hold back on their destruct until the major's time came up. He got stuck hauling hundreds of pounds of paper goods each time. Needless to say he wasn't happy about it.

    When he finally came to me, he still hadn't realized the whole office was enacting revenge for his misdeeds, and instead said I was obviously an incompetent security officer, screwing up the destruct schedule. He was red faced and spewing spit as he yelled at me, saying he could manage my job better than I could. At that point I came around my desk, grabbing him by the collar and marching him to the colonel's office, saying I thought he deserved the chance to tell the boss how we could improve the destruct sequence. I came to the colonel's door, saying "Sir, Major _ has some very good suggestions about how to improve our security procedures, and I think you should hear him out," still holding the major by his collar. Seeing the colonel's astonished look, I let the major go. The jerk was so dumb he was gleeful I'd taken him to the colonel, and proceeded to give the colonel details on how we should change our procedures. The colonel listened, thanked the major for his ideas, and the idiot left with a grin on his face. As I turned to leave, the colonel asked me to come back. Expecting a possible charge of assaulting a superior, I instead found out he had learned of my plot, said it was a brilliant move, and said next time I should use more "decorum" and not drag a superior officer around by the collar.

    The secretary was moved to a higher post out of reach of the offender, and he failed to make promotion to lieutenant colonel. Today he'd face a stiffer reaction, but at least some kind of justice prevailed.
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 7 months ago
      Bravo for you. I was a sergeant in the USAF from 1975-1979; I never had that type of trouble. I come from a long-time military family, however, and am familiar with the ways in which individuals who seem to be embedded in a matrix of military regulations can still take action unofficially, for good or for bad.

      You fought the good fight.

      I have some stories...

      Jan
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 6 years, 7 months ago
    Several years ago I worked at an organization where we had a guy about my age who was assaulting the young (half our age) ladies on the staff when he wasn't being watched. He'd lunge at them, shove his hands in their face, block their path. A lady friend/coworker of mine brought it to my attention. This guy had also been punching some guys in the ribs. Never messed with me, though. I was/am 6'/220 and a heavyweight boxer. I decided to inform the division chief that he had this guy doing this stuff in the office. Well, the chief was an idiot. He brought the guy in and informed him that my lady friend turned him in (not me). Well, then the offender turned his attention on the lady who brought it to my attention. I had enough at that point. The offender came walking by my office and I tried to stop him to have a word. He refused to stop. So, I followed him to his desk, backed him in the corner and said, "You will stop doing this." He said, "I don't have a problem with you." I said, "Yes you do." and walked back to my desk. Well, of course - I was called up for harassing this guy. The offender, you see, was Persian. The chief actually said, "Well, maybe this is just part of his culture," - as an excuse for the behavior. I found another job and was gone in a month.

    The irony? The guy stopped his behavior. And, years later we are on good terms. I bump into him once in a while and he's always very kind. When I had him backed up to his desk I was literally seeing red (I thought it was just a saying...it's real).

    I cannot stand to see women assaulted, taken advantage of. And, the biggest mystery to me about the Weinstein and Cosby stories is that these guys went through probably hundreds of women and the only story (ONLY ONE!) of a man confronting them is when Brad Pitt stepped in. WHAT IN THE HELL?! WHERE ARE THE MEN!? How, after all these years, these guys not turn up in public with their teeth knocked out? My dad said, "Maybe these ladies liked it(?)" Honestly, I have no idea anymore...But, a few of my buddies tend to adhere to the theory that there are very few real men left in our society. I'm leaning that way, too.
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 7 months ago
      Abaco -

      You understand the essence of chivalry: that a prerogative of having strength is to use it to protect those who are weaker than you are. This is not just physical strength, of course, the woman you protected might have gone on to get her MD and perform a pro bono operation that saves your life; she may have become a lawyer who takes your case against great odds. There are many ways of being "6' tall/ 220lbs and a boxer"!

      There is also an option to 'not' use your power for good and another choice to use power to be a bully. The people we are reading about or - as you point out - not reading about are people who have made the choice to be bullies or to do nothing.

      I am concerned that women are using this MeToo to unjustly brand men who are innocent - women can be bullies too.

      I have taken to holding doors open for people and giving my seat on shuttles to older people. I note that the men around me are not doing this, as a rule. That is their choice; this is mine.

      Bravo for you for stepping in. I am glad that there was such a wonderful and ironic coda to your story.

      Jan
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      • Posted by $ Abaco 6 years, 6 months ago
        Thank you Jan. I also hold the door open and give up my seat. I think society needs this.

        I am regularly reminded that might still equals right for most people. It's a disgusting realization. Just recently, my little daughter was being bullied. She's the littlest girl in the class, and the bully is the biggest boy. I thought back on my youth and I never remember boys bullying girls. My son, a few grades up, overheard our conversations about this and took it upon himself to confront the bully. I only heard about it through the grapevine. My son's very kind, but a blackbelt in karate. When confronted, the bully just denied he ever did it. I told my son, "That's because he's spineless and won't own up to what he's doing" (a concept foreign to my kids). When my son was bullied (while still very disabled in 1st grade, mind you) I just said I'd take it up with the other kids' dads. That ended it. I remember one dad taking a look at me with big eyes and (also Persian...) the kid immediately stopped.

        The men in my family have a tradition of fist fighting. Unfortunately, they also have a tradition of cheating on their wives. I ended one trend, at least...haha....
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  • Posted by $ jdg 6 years, 7 months ago
    Bah humbug. The whole #MeToo movement is BS. Nobody was forced to sleep with the likes of Harvey Weinstein; they did it because they felt they got something in return that was worth it. They are only whining now because they are sorry they ever allowed a man to have a good time. Well, WAAAHH!!
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    • Posted by $ pixelate 6 years, 7 months ago
      I am in agreement with you. Every one of those little no-name starlets knew that they were involved in an exchange. There was no force or coercion, just whispered trades -- you do something nice for me, I do something nice for you. Besides, no amount of naivete would be enough to make one lack a basic understanding of How Things Work in Hollywood. All parties received exactly what they asked for. There was no crime. Bah Humbug indeed!
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 7 months ago
    I know nothing about the individual cases, but I have urged my kids from a young age never to think something is such a great once-in-a-lifetime opportunity that it's worth putting up with someone making you feel truly uncomfortable. That goes for any mistreatment, not just sexual harassment. The person tolerating that abuse, assuming the perpetrator didn't use force, has some degree of responsibility.
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 7 months ago
      It is difficult to cow a woman martial artist. We have to be aggressive to succeed at our sport. For someone of the caliber to get a bronze medal in Taekwondo in the Olympics to be put in such a situation validates that secretaries and grad students have kept silent for that amount of time or longer and should be heard now.

      Mandy had the courage to file a formal complaint about her coach's actions. In return, the Taekwando organization threw her out and condemned her. A grad student who is told "Cooperate or you will never work on a dig again." probably was correct in thinking that the threat was real. If you can intimidate a bronze medal martial artist, you can probably intimidate most grad students.

      The threat certainly was real in Mandy's case. Her life was ruined by her filing a complaint.

      Jan
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 7 months ago
        "It is difficult to cow a woman martial artist. "
        That's why it doesn't make sense to me. It may be hard to understand for me because I've never been in a situation like that. You say these people have a credible threat to ruin someone's life. I certainly do not excuse their making someone feel uncomfortable and abusing their position, but it's so hard for me to see the people they're mistreating as victims.
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    • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 6 years, 7 months ago
      Sometimes it IS a once in a lifetime opportunity. If you are a young Olympic hopeful, you may have one time that you are the right age. If something keeps you from going, such as not "cooperating" with an official, then you lose.

      And we are talking about kids who've been training since they were five or six for this opportunity. When you are surrounded by people desperate to get the spot you are trying for, the temptation to "let it go" has to be high.
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  • Posted by chad 6 years, 7 months ago
    Many of the 'Me Too' people I have doubts about their motives when it takes them decades to report the abuse then many others want to join in and cry along with them and get the attention. With a great deal of time passing it becomes very difficult to know who is telling the truth and who might just be grabbing headlines.
    That said; it is difficult to accomplish much when you are working against egos who want to protect their status and are willing to protect others that are evil to maintain the status quo. Moving a bureaucracy is nearly impossible as almost everyone you come up against is more interested in protecting the perception of who they are rather than tackling those who could actually cause you discomfort (I would not refer to the loss of a job as harm) in your job or personal life. Sometimes the only one who knows you told the truth is you. It is still important to do what is right.
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 7 months ago
      This is my reaction too. I was increasingly leaning towards the 'bah humbug' side of things (admitting that some really bad stuff had occurred but that much of the #MeToo movement was 'sound and fury symbolizing self-aggrandizement' (to paraphrase slightly)). When I read this article, I had a No Sh!T! reaction. So I thought I would share it as a good example of a case that is well documented.

      I knew about the archaeology grad students, and I knew they were real (from about 3 years ago); this was also a lot quieter (unless you were an archeologist/anthropologist, in which case it turned your world upside down).

      Jan
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