Suspect Waves a Gun at Customers in Dollar General; Two Seconds Later He’s Dead
Posted by IndianaGary 10 years, 4 months ago to News
In an Orrville, Alabama Dollar General Thursday, a suspect burst in waving a gun. He threatened to kill everyone in the store. Luckily, he did not get that chance. A customer pulled out their concealed firearm and shot the suspect in the chest. He died instantly.
This is how predators should be handled!
This is how predators should be handled!
Ironically, the PA constitution is even less ambiguous than the US constitution. It states that the right of a citizen to keep and bear arms, for their own defense or that of the Commonwealth, shall not be questioned. So one could argue that requiring a citizen to have a permit in PA is actually unconstitutional from a state perspective.
That said, a blanket requirement for a license, clearly is an unconstitutional infringement.
I'm still thinking that it was not originally intended to limit the ability of States to have some oversight in this area. Although, unlike the first, it does not start with "Congress...". And the 14th amendment would render that argument null and void anyway.
Plus, as I mentioned, the "shall not be questioned" in the PA constitution is actually stronger language than the US constitution. If you cannot even question my right to keep and bear arms for my own defense or the defense of the Commonwealth. I believe that that clause pre-dates the US constitution as well but I'm not sure.
However, the PA LTCF clearly "questions" the rights of citizens and the Philadelphia police often harass citizens even if they have the license.
The key words, "on parole". A prisoner on parole is not a free man.
A convicted murderer (citizen), who's served his sentence or been granted a pardon, has every bit as much right to carry a weapon as does a citizen who's committed no crime.
To my understanding, a convicted felon has forfeited their right to posses a fire arm. However, a pardoned person, even a mass murderer that used guns to commit the crime, can posses, as that crime was expunged.
What you mean to say is that open carry is not infringed upon in Wisconsin...
Also, many states have reciprocal agreements with other states, which is why CC permits from Florida and Utah are in such high demand. Wisconsin is one of the states with no reciprocity agreements. Illinois was just recently forced to rewrite their CC laws, and DC just had theirs struck down so that anyone with a CC permit is now legal in DC!
I still do not feel confident with my accuracy with a handgun. Give me a rifle and I can hit a 2 inch circle at 300 meters with 9 out of 10 rounds or 10 out of 10 rounds every time. A handgun at 20 feet I can hit that same circle about 5 out of 10 times.
Te me a hand gun is for target shooting, or to help me get to a rifle, nothing more. I do not pack one as I would rather have a knife at 20 feet and beyond that I would not shoot if anyone else was around the target. My accuracy is not there.
Without training I would not know this fact about myself. I suck with handguns, close quarters I will take a knife or my Bushmaster AR15 M4 over a handgun as I can use them both better.
People that pack a weapon should know there limitations with that weapon; perhaps more important, the capabilities with the weapon. Then they can operate with some intelligence and reason rather than guesswork and conjecture.
Even saying that, it should not be required and neither should a permit.
"I applaud this Good Samaritan for stepping up and protecting everyone else in the store, including themselves. If they hadn’t been there, this situation could have turned out a whole lot different. There may have been fatalities and there may have also been hostages. The gunman waved the gun at two cashiers, and was about to order them into a break room. What happened next would have been terrifying. After someone called in police and SWAT teams, there would have been a rain of lead that could have been deadly. Not only would they shoot the gunman, but the gunman may have taken lives out with him. Or he could have shot several people before turning the gun on himself."
If a bad guy uses and gun and gets killed, well, that's the cost of doing business for him.
Shooting him is to protect innocent people, nothing to do with justice. Justice is for the courts to decide later and for random chance (God, if you believe in that sort of thing) to decide whether he dies. As you say, if he dies, that's the unfortunate cost of his choices or mental illness. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
We have a legal system, and any justice it actually produces is in spite of the system.
For example, if the country's legal system wasn't draining so much wealth out of the country's health care system, maybe truly affordable health care would be a reality.
So what happened to the justice system? One hypothetical clue: Two bills come before a legislative body that address the same issue. Which one passes? Answer: The one that generates the most revenue for the legal system. Since most legislative bodies are comprised of lawyers, this is only natural and adheres to the law of bureaucracy. That is, eventually the main function of any bureaucracy is the care, feeding, and expansion of the bureaucracy (see any government bureaucracy for illustration of this principle - actually, the same is true inside the corporate world and will collapse a company if not corrected or kept under control).
The current system metes out justice from time to time, but that's just the required veneer for a legal system.
Every Friday we made sure we were done and equipment cleaned up a hour early for range time. Everybody stayed on the clock to shoot, or clocked up to go home and I gave everybody at least couple boxes of ammo to use up.
Depending on the laws of whatever state we were working in, EVERYBODY carried open or concealed while we worked, as long as it was legal. We had lots of rattlesnakes where we worked.
I agree with everything you say but I don't call it justice.
Yes.
Jan
http://articles.philly.com/2014-07-26/ne...
"DRT Means Dead Right There"
-- j
I thought that we here were interested in communicating among ourselves about objectivist view on many subjects and aspects of life. Using some kind of slang can be a lot of fun, for sure. But the established formal language is much more accurate, precise, powerful and universal. To me, excellent communication between and among human minds is one of the most beautiful things in life.
Also since I'm of an age that explored another communication "phase" called ham radio and as a licensed Amateur Radio Operator for 48 years I'm familiar with Morse code, Q signals and several other less known abbreviations. With my years of military service I had to learn a constant diet of acronyms and specialized abbreviations. All in all, I'm certain that the total I've amassed could fill a dictionary with ease.
Through it all there has been ONE lesson I've learned that has gained many followers in the various classes I've taught over the years and I'd like to share it with anybody who will listen on this subject. The use of alphabet soup letters in a conversation that spans generations, educational backgrounds, employment histories and varied special interests does not aid in communication. It ONLY aids in confusion.
So, in short, subtitles work for me too. QSL?
73's...
I do not think I have ever written a comment in Galt's Gulch without at least one spelling error. I lived for my first 27 years in Yugoslavia. 30 characters in the alphabet, covering every sound in the language. If you hear it, you know how to spell it. Than I lived and worked in Italy for four years. With just a few simple rules, you know how to spell and can pronounce correctly what you read. At age 31 I immigrated (legally!!) and even though I started learning English when I was 13, never quite got used to the fact the "enough" sounds "inaf" and an infinite supply of such puzzles.
I learned long time ago, from some very good people, the I am responsible for the message received, not just for the message sent. I think that it is a great advice. If you want to hide what you are saying, use encryption. Thanks, again.
Welcome to the gulch too.
Larry
I do feel welcome in both. My, then new, bride and I arrived in New York harbor in January 1967. So, I can proudly say that I have been an American citizen, by now, for more then half of my life. Even though that is only more than 50% of time, I feel 100% American. And, if I am lucky enough and live another two years, we will celebrate our 50th anniversary. Half a century! Who would have guessed?
Thank you, again.
Niko
Thank you very much. I hope that you will be around for much longer than that. Do I need to remind you when the time comes ;-) ?
All the best.
How do you gag an Italian?
Tie his hands behind his back.
No need to worry! I lost those habits long time ago. Besides, I could never match the real masters of the art.
I think that I noticed, over the decades since I came, that Americans are gradually using more and more their hands in "speaking". Do you notice that?
Just like using the term "Galt's Gulch", and many people have no idea what that means, we have our terms to self-identify. Your eloquence just above tells me that you are interested in communicating with like-minded people, and I would probably enjoy having you as a friend, even a neighbor. Being a ham myself for over 40 years, I learned before knowing it that looks don't matter much, even skin color, since you don't ever see most of the people you meet on the air.
But I think that slackers and underachievers are under-represented in the ham bands, if only because the "looters" always want someone else to do the work for them. Most hams are happy to fire up the soldering iron, hook up the wires themselves and string the antenna.
I'm afraid that I have already taken this thread way off track, and I apologize for that.
I guess I'm just saying I agree, and nice QSO, 73.
And as I was one who proclaimed a view of the language that calls for plain speech, I'll say thanks for the conversation. Wishing you and yours a good evening.
the first thing which I worked toward (and got) after
retirement began. did the no-code general thing,
and we're still putting up antennas....
and my sister, a fine graphic artist, is doing my
qsl card. Thank You For Your Service!!! -- j
:)
somehow, the combination of science and emergency
service seem to help folks stay true!!! -- j
Cowards, each of them.
Cowards, each of us who pretends that isn't true.
Eight seconds later, the manic that was waving the gun, starts shooting...
Maybe this prep turns out to be mentally ill. Maybe he's a cold-blooded killer. Maybe the shot kills him or by luck causes relatively minor injuries. Hopefully he doesn't die b/c most law-abiding citizens would rather not kill another human. That's not for us to decide. All we can/should do is act decisively to prevent the person with the gun from hurting any innocent people.
I agree. I don't practice much, so in an emergency situation I would be concerned about missing a person 3 meters away with handgun. I would aim for the center of the body mass.
Your only dilemna then is stitch up to the head or down to the groin
The legal definition is the insane person doesn't even know he's doing it. He may not run from the police or leave evidence without worrying about it. If he runs from the police or in some way plans to get away with the crime, he's not insane by the legal definition. Whether he's insane (which I probably wouldn't know in this situation) would not affect my decision to shoot him to save lives.
People who don't agree that the initiation of force is the absolute sine qua non of evil are not insane. To suggest so is to suggest that the vast, vast, vast majority of mankind was insane for all of human history and prehistory.
I dread ever being in this sort of problem, but if the need ever arises, the bad guy had better not be betting on the potential of a lawsuit slowing down my response.
To me, anyone not me is ill.
As Ann Coulter once said, "I'm a moderate; the rest of y'all are crazy".