Facebook to share 3,000 Russian ads with Congress

Posted by $ nickursis 7 years, 1 month ago to Politics
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Hmmm.. so now it is Facebooks fault that Hillary lost, and soon it will be the Russians spent 3 years GDP just to get Trump elected. The only reason I can see for all this BS, is "We want a do over".......
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 1 month ago
    The outcome is known...therefore, there is no redo possible...that's just the plain mystery of "Time", History and awareness.

    Sorry, I don't have the link to a study performed on student testing...studying before or after the test...seems that the students that studied after the test did better...so long as the test results were initially unknown.
    Hiltery could only have changed the results of the vote if 1 the results were unknown and 2 she did some soul searching afterward but unfortunately for her...she has no soul.
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  • Posted by term2 7 years, 1 month ago
    The left wants to de-legitimize, impeach, and somehow get their liberal representative in as president.

    Hillary lost because she is Hillary, period. People saw through the thin veneer of civility she has. Inside, she is a vicious bit$% who would cut your heart out to get her way (like so many other liberals)
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 1 month ago
    Facts are independent of final consequences. If facts cause people want to invalidate the US elections, something that there is no sign of happening whatsoever, it doesn't negate the facts.
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    • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 7 years, 1 month ago
      You have it backwards. People (on the left) desperately want to invalidate the U.S. elections. They tried to get recounts when it wasn't close enough. Then they tried to get the electors to overturn the votes of their states. There was a small effort to not accept the votes of the electors. And there are the weekly calls for impeachment because Trump tweeted something as a "High crime and misdemeanor". There is, of course, the Russians.

      People are looking for any rumor that they can use and trying to turn it into a "fact" since if you repeat a rumor often enough it becomes considered a fact.

      I frankly think what is happening is that the U.S. intelligence agencies which have long interfered with and, in some cases, overturned foreign elections have turned their tools on their own country.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 1 month ago
        "People (on the left) desperately want to invalidate the U.S. elections. "
        I think most people want fair elections. The recounts showed the last election was fair. That's important to know since there were allegations of fraud. They turned out to be unfounded.

        "weekly calls for impeachment "
        I know. Politicians lately seem to be more interested in locking up the other side on a technicality rather than arguing about policies.

        "turned their tools on their own country."
        All the evidence showed the elections were fair, with no significant interference. President Trump won. When he took office he proposed nothing radical that would motivate a conspiracy. Even if he did, he can't seem to execute because he's too busy seeking attention by saying things that are offensive but inconsequential. I believe only his die-hard supporters imagine he's taking significant actions that would cause people to conspire against him more than against any other president.
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        • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 7 years, 1 month ago
          As to Trumps statements and tweets, yes he often tweets and says things in reaction. These statements get a lot of time in the media. For example at the moment we seem obsessed with the athletes taking a knee, it's taking the majority of the air time. But is Trump actually spending much time on that issue -- I doubt it, I think he reacts and moves on.

          His changes to the regulatory structure and pushing back against the environmental zealots is probably the most significant thing he is doing and it seems to be progressing.

          If you read "The Art of the Deal", you see that Trump has always heavily multi-tasked. When people ask, why is he focusing on "x", they don't understand how he works. He doesn't "focus" on anything, like a juggler, he keeps a lot of balls in the air, only touching them for a moment as they pass.
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          • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 1 month ago
            "get a lot of time in the media"
            I think that's his main skill, and he naturally uses it. The media have gotten better at monitoring eyeballs and seeing what gets attention. Train wrecks get eyeballs, and the media feedback loop gives us more of them. President Trump acts like a living train wreck, so he is a natural at getting attention in the modern age.

            I do see your point. The way I describe it makes Trump the master. The eyeballs looking at the train wreck and the architects of that media feedback loop are equally responsible.

            Regarding the environment, I think many people, companies, and organizations are working to contain the damage. I think an ordinary politician, not focused on getting attention, could do much more damage to the environment than Trump.

            Regarding changes to regulatory structure, I don't really understand that. I have a vague understanding that the regulatory system was supposed to prevent lawsuits, but it became a monster of hoops for people to jump through. The policy changes have not affected my industry yet, and if they have affected other industries the story is buried deep under stories about athletes protesting.
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            • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 7 years, 1 month ago
              I can't speak to your industry, but I suspect that you would find that a significant portion of organizational overhead is tied to meeting regulatory requirements.

              The clearest example that I have to deal with is HIPAA. On the face of it, it is a simple idea: keep personal health care records private. Good, that was the industry standard before HIPAA and remains so.

              Just one of the many regulatory requirements that HIPAA mandates is that a healthcare organization must have a Business Associates Agreement (BAA) with any business partner that has access to patient data. This is a contract that you work out that asserts that the partner will protect the data. Sounds good.

              We sell a software product to medical laboratories. Our technical support department has to be able to access customer systems to resolve problems. This means that they can encounter personal healthcare information on patients in those systems. So we are required to have BAA contracts in place with our customers. All 1000 of them! As you can imagine this is a major undertaking. Since there is no standard BAA agreement every one can be unique. We have one on our web site that we encourage people to download and we can both sign it -- which helps. But every week or so, we get a multi page document that the lawyers for some healthcare institution have drawn up with ruinous requirements such as we will pay for an audit any time they request one. (never give someone the legal right to spend your money). So we negotiate. This takes a lot of time.

              And a few years back they changed the law and we had to get new ones for everyone once more.

              The industry spends billions on HIPAA compliance which doesn't buy so much as one aspirin. How many HIPAA documents have YOU had to sign?
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              • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 1 month ago
                "The industry spends billions on HIPAA compliance which doesn't buy so much as one aspirin."
                Are you saying all that has changed for the better recently?
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                • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 7 years, 1 month ago
                  No, it took years to put these regulations in place, it will probably take even longer to get rid of them. But Trump has made a major point of reducing regulations -- and is battling the "deep state".
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                  • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 1 month ago
                    "is battling the "deep state"."
                    Why are they battling? Is it that the president wants to change regulations in a way that most people agree with, but the country's institutions are stopping him because the changes would eliminate gov't jobs?

                    The whole thing seems like a just-so story where you start with President Trump being something radically different from what he is. In the just-so story, the president is pushing for radical reforms. How do you square this with the fact that his background is in reality TV and he acts like an expert in getting unsophisticated viewers fired up? The answer is the clownish persona is just an Art-of-War style act to throw off the vast conspiracy secretly opposing his radical reforms.

                    This narrative is so far from the more parsimonious explanation that the Electoral College elected a reality TV person, and that's what we got.
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                    • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 7 years, 1 month ago
                      Keep in mind that one of the richest places in the country is the area around Washington DC. Hillary Clinton did amazingly well there.

                      Our Civil service laws are designed to protect the work force from politicization. What really happens is that the "administration" is a thin veneer of management over a bureaucracy that is pretty much accountable to no one. These people have high paying jobs with good benefits and they are there to protect them.

                      They are also people who have, for the most part, built their careers on writing and enforcing regulations on the American public. They believe they are doing the right thing. It's a self selecting group, not a lot of objectivists strive to become government regulators, lots of liberals do.

                      So you have the bulk of the government, somewhat immune to control from the high ranking administration officials nominally over them with an general liberal philosophy and an conviction that government is good.

                      That's the deep state you have to battle.

                      In spite of all the tweets and the gasping horror of the media, Trump is actually doing a pretty good job.
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                      • Posted by $ 7 years, 1 month ago
                        I agree with you William, Trump may be a clown, but several peoploe have pointed out, he operates on many levels and does not focus on any one task long, he issues direction. One reason they have a hard time focusing him is that he works on a subconscious level. I have not seen anything yet that is any more dangerous than Obama Care, and EPA regulations out the gazoo, and the false narrative of Global Warming. For all the bitching of the left of "diversity" and "celebrating difference", they seem unable to celebrate a diverse president who does not fit their mold. Add to that his dysfunctional; party, and active opposition by lamestream media, and the "impose their will " democrats (all of them vying to serve their donors and patrons), and you have a total, complete, corrupt mess. Trump is doing pretty good for dealing with all that BS.
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                        • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 1 month ago
                          I don't think President Trump is having significant effects worsening the two problems you mentioned: diversity and the environment. He's great at getting people fired up, but an experienced politician would do more damage if he wanted to. I don't think Trump even wants to. He just wants attention.

                          Also there is more than just what the government does. Generally the gov't doesn't do a good job of anything. There are people on their own working on technologies that will have more impact on global warming than anything the government does. When it comes to celebrating diversity, the gov't is really powerless to make people more bigoted. People who get stuff done show up and solve these problems. The rednecks of the world tune into the antics and mistake it for something real.
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                      • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 1 month ago
                        This seems like disjointed facts.
                        1. There's money to be made in gov't in DC.
                        2. Govt bureaucracy is bureaucratic.
                        3. People who work the the bureaucracy often have rightwing, leftwing, or others ideas to explain how gov't is good.
                        4. Compared to his clownish public persona, President Trump is a normal person.

                        Somewhere in that, I think you mean to imagine that President Trump is in a battle to reduce gov't, even as he proposes increasing spending, doubling borrowing, supports asset forfeiture, appoints people in favor of gov't intrusiveness, and makes off-hand comments in favor of gov't authoritarianism. But because Trump acts like a buffoon we can imagine it's all part of a long-term plan to do the opposite of what he says.

                        Trump's a natural mass-marketer in a job unrelated to mass-marketing. So he'll keep getting attention, fired-up rednecks, "respectable" people gasping in horror, all of that. That doesn't have much to do with gov't, though, so gov't will keep slowly growing more costly and intrusive as it has for the past 100 years.
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                        • Posted by $ 7 years, 1 month ago
                          I am not sure it is Trump doing it, Trump cannot do squat except by EO, it is the Republicrats, Dumbocraps and Bureaucrats writing thousands of "you must do" regulations that are the problem. Trump has yet to get much done accept make a deal with Dumbocraps to get the debt ceiling raised. Mind you, I am not a fan at all of his, but he is the only game in town, and I still think he is a far better choice than Hillary Criminal or any of the other professional political whores that were running. He is more like a slut amongst whores....I would vote to scrap the whole mess and start over...
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                          • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 1 month ago
                            "I am not sure it is Trump doing it"
                            I agree completely. I think there's a structural problem with gov't. I think institutions should be configured by the Constitution to be hard to vote for expansion of gov't and default limitations on gov't. The idea is something happens, and people think "if guns were illegal and police did random searches of all homes, maybe this crime wouldn't have happened," and institutions defined by the Constitution are supposed to put the brakes on. That's not happening. I say the Constitution is broken.
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                            • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 7 years, 1 month ago
                              I think the structural problem with the government is the Civil Service Act. I understand the problem related to giving out government jobs as the spoils of an election, but we have built a system that isolates the majority of the government from the people we elect to manage it.

                              Any institution will naturally grow without bounds unless kept in check. We have specifically blocked the elected leadership from most of the tools of checking that growth.

                              I have long said that if you assigned someone to sit at a desk and look out the window and came back in 5 years you would find the "looking out the window department" with a manager, an administrative assistant and 3 window watchers.
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        • Posted by $ 7 years, 1 month ago
          "I think most people want fair elections. The recounts showed the last election was fair. That's important to know since there were allegations of fraud. They turned out to be unfounded."
          Maybe in your book but they were never proven, and certified and accepted by the Left, they continue to try any trick they can to get Trump out. The next trick is to impeach him for his tweet on the sports thing, as there is apparently an obscure law saying that govt officials cannot force labor actions on private industry. That will be interesting, but may well bull it's way through. Thes idiots will not allow the peoples will go unchallenged, as THEY ARE THE PEOPLE", that is the whole logic behind them, and they completely ignore and disreagrd anyone else, and their rights. Why, if it is offensive to a large group of Americans, is this BS by the sports nimrods allowed to go on, but inanimate statues are so offensive they must be removed? That is pure arrogant insanity, and goes to elections as well.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 1 month ago
      Yes, but facts can be manipulated in presentation and then couched in the framework to make it sound the way they want. Social media, by it's very nature, is a wide open tool for manipulation by anyone you want. The increased use of computers, phones, etc all have allowed for a rapid development of a meme that will carry on in the face of facts. That is now one of the tools the manipulators use.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 1 month ago
        Yes. At first I thought the technology was great, eliminating that line about the press only being free to people who own one. I still think that, but there's this dark side of no gatekeepers where people can read whatever they wish were true and ignore the very existence of facts.
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        • Posted by $ 7 years, 1 month ago
          It all goes back tot he same issue as the Credit Scam, I can spoof anyone and they have no idea it is the Russian wehoever's. The real issue is, it does not take an incompetent, corrupt Congress to figure it out, they have a hard time figuring out what bathroom to use, it should be the NSA, and they should use their vaunted tech to prove who does what, and provide the evidence to Congress.
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