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Early release of cons" will make our communities safer" Gov Brown

Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 7 months ago to Legislation
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Ca. Governor Jerry Brown
"Proposition 57 will change this and make our communities safer.
Please join me in support of a smarter approach to public safety that will save taxpayers tens of millions of dollars. Vote Yes on Proposition 57."
The problem is, Proposition 57 didn’t tell voters what is considered a “non-violent” crime. According to a fact check put out by the Association of Deputy District Attorneys, non-violent in California can mean:
•Assault with a deadly weapon on a peace officer
•Battery with serious bodily injury
•Solicitation to commit murder
•Inflicting corporal injury on a child
•First degree burglary
•Raping an unconscious person
•Human trafficking involving a minor
•Participation in a street gang
•Exploding a destructive device w/ intent to cause injury (yes, setting off a bomb in a public place)
Read the entire fact check about Proposition 57 here. https://www.laadda.com/wp-content/upl... Make sure to check out the “Sentencing Examples” where it shows how a gang member who stabs someone is eligible for parole in 4 years and a serial rapist is available for parole in 8.
SOURCE URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_57_(2016)

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  • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 7 months ago
    Moonbeam is insane.
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    • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 7 months ago
      As are the people's state voters who elected him again.
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      • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 7 months ago
        I can see I don't have to undergo suspended animation to see if people devolve into stupid idiots by Year 2505 like they do in the movie, Idiocracy.
        An idiocracy is already being run idiots and supported by stupid fools in California.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiocracy
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        • Posted by fosterj717 7 years, 7 months ago
          Great description of the current state of California! An idiocracy is most apt and provides the rest of the country a peak into the future of where we are going (being that CA is usually the harbinger of change). Where is my Brondo?!
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          • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 7 months ago
            Little dino was told that in elementary school about California during the 50s.
            That information came with an awesome photo of a California classroom.
            I drove from Alabama to see the sights and visit a brother in Las Angeles during 70s.
            Drivers were shooting birds at each other like crazy. One driver pulling out of a parking lot causally flipped me the finger when he was not really getting in my way for me driving in a street.
            One summer around Year 2000 my brother came for the most part by plane to be at a family reunion at a Florida lake. I asked him if LA drivers are still shooting birds.
            He said that stopped when people in cars started to shoot guns.
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            • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 7 months ago
              Shooting birds , Is that giving the finger ?
              Road rage was invented in California.
              In 78 I moved to Huntington Beach. The amount of crime and the types of crime was very eye opening especially to someone with a fairly sheltered childhood. I learned that crooks from other parts of the country headed to ca. To start a new life of crime. I got out of the left coast in 80 when we had our first son.
              And never looked back.
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              • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 7 months ago
                "Shooting the bird" is how I first heard "giving the finger" described when I was a little kid In Alabama.
                Maybe it's a local colloquialism. I'm studying the gesture right now with three of my favorite fingers.
                That's because I don't use my pinky as a self-taught typist.
                My naughty gesture is now causing me to think of a flying goose with its wings in the down flap position.
                Yes, I can perceive such things as faces, horsies and dragons in cumulus cloud formations.
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              • Posted by $ nickursis 7 years, 7 months ago
                An excellent choice Dob. But Kalifornia is like our own Fukushima, the gift that just keeps on giving. More taxes, more debt, more people with no jobs, more crazy ideas on why it should all be "free", and of course more Felony Pelosi...
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                • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 7 months ago
                  Kalifornia (I steal spellings that I like) reminds me of what had become of the USA in Atlas Shrugged.
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                  • Posted by $ nickursis 7 years, 7 months ago
                    Exactly the way I look at it, which is why it is the only spelling I use now. Ayn Rand was a prophet, and when more people get exposed to it, they suddenly begin to understand.
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                    • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 7 months ago
                      Ayn Rand was amazing. About the only thing she got wrong in Atlas Shrugged was people still wearing a lot of hats and not baseball styled caps either. She even had one character wearing a derby.
                      I have a lib brother I usually send books I've read as a Christmas present. The bulk is usually swashbuckling historical fiction that my most conservative of all brothers (I have 4) Joe handed down to me. Well, up, since I'm the oldest.
                      For this Christmas I'm thinking I'll include my Atlas Shrugged novel for the lib. I may include a note like "Great science fiction here." Well, that's what I thought when I Netflix rented AS1.
                      Next thing I know brother Joe is giving me the same DVD for Christmas. He told me I may not like the book because it's very long. I bought it anyways. Joe later followed up with AS2 and AS3
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                      • Posted by $ nickursis 7 years, 7 months ago
                        Yes, I was daunted at it's size, so I got the Audio book, and it was 37 hours long, but the guy who read it was awesome, and on Downpour.com it was 1 credit (like, 11.95 or so), so it was a steal, IMHO. Well worth just sitting back and listening to....
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                        • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 7 months ago
                          Thanks Nickursis,
                          I am with the dapper Dino
                          I had not heard of downpour.
                          I read the book , saw the trilogy and listened to the audiobook. Loved AS each time.
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                        • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 7 months ago
                          Until now, I did not known Downpour existed. Thanks.
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                          • Posted by $ nickursis 7 years, 7 months ago
                            Downpour was an Oregon based company Blackstone Audio, and they redid their site about 6-7 years ago, for like 12.00 a month, you get 1 credit, for most of their books. If you like audio books, they have a large number of history, fiction and some sci fi. A lot of Heinlein is there. A good source for audio books, as they download in MP3 so you can use most digital players. Audible is my other source, they are bigger, but proprietary, so if you want to burn them to CD, you have to use iTunes, and an average book will run 12-16 CD's at 80 mins each. Somewhat painful and bulky.
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                            • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 7 months ago
                              I'm an avid reader of books but never listened to an audio book.
                              You or someone else in the Gulch once wrote that an audio book is great for a long drive.
                              I'll keep that in mind.
                              Thanks for the added information.
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                              • Posted by $ nickursis 7 years, 7 months ago
                                It definitely beats what passes for radio today. There are more commercials than radio. The news is a slanted on radio as TV, so I gave up on anything but audiobooks, at least then I have the choice of what I am listening to.
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                                • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 7 months ago
                                  I have a couple of good conservative talk radio stations in my Birmingham area with a midday Rush followed by Hannity. Less listened to Mark Levin can be found on the other station. Don't care for the early morning Glenn Beck anymore.
                                  That all gets left behind on long car trips. My wide variety of music CDs can get old.
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                              • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 7 months ago
                                Absolutely helps on a long drive.
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                                • Posted by $ nickursis 7 years, 7 months ago
                                  Dob, you turned me on to Graham Hancock, and I got his first 2 books from Downpour. He narrates them himself, so you actually almost have a lecture format. He's a good listen, and very convincing in his arguments. In fact, I saw that Brien Forester has released a discussion on the line of 45 degrees that goes around the world and was referred to as "Verochocas Trail" that Graham Hancock spoke of in Magicians. It seems some of them are beginning to come together.
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                  • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 7 months ago
                    Especially if the Trinity or Oroville Dam collapse.
                    One at 97% Capacity that is not recommended to go over 75% and the other is severely damaged and covered in a shroud of secrecy .
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                    • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 7 months ago
                      Progressive progress in all things is not to be questioned ever.
                      What is your itty bitty teeny tiny opinion worth compared to the intellectual might of think tank panels fully chaired by your elite Big Brother betters?
                      Now move on! Nothing to see here.
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                      • Posted by $ nickursis 7 years, 7 months ago
                        These are not the droids you are looking for (funny hand gesture), THOSE ARE THE DAMN RUSSIANS THAT COLLUDED WITH TRUMP TO STEAL THE ELCTION FROM QUEEN HILLARY!!!! (more funny hand gestures). Queue mainstream media and impeachment efforts....
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                    • Posted by $ nickursis 7 years, 7 months ago
                      That sort of sounds like normal gub'ment operations, doesn't it? Let things decay until broke, or cover it all up in Kitty litter, then telll the voters why, if they do not approve your 20 Billion dollar tax increase to fix the dams, and add light rail, they will all die. You blow the 20 billion on light rail, then come back and tell the voters why it is all their fault. Normal Kalifornia politics... same for the Feds.
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  • Posted by ChuckyBob 7 years, 7 months ago
    Sooooooo glad I escaped the asylum two and a half years ago. Except for SF and LA most folks in the PDRC are generally on the conservative side. However, the large population masses in SF & LA skew the state towards the insane left.
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    • Posted by fosterj717 7 years, 7 months ago
      I think that breaking CA up into 5 separate and distinct states makes perfect sense. Let the morons hang in the "State-ist" areas and do their damage there, just don't make the rest of the normal folks pay for the stupidity of the rest!
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  • Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 7 months ago
    Thanks Dobrien for pointing out the road to the Idiocracy before we step into it as a nation. It may be hard for the Alien Observers to understand. "They take the first steps toward a rational, prosperous society. Their technical progress is so rapid that they cannot keep up with it themselves. Then, for some unknown reason,they quickly go off the path to a brilliant future and insanely do whatever they can to sabotage themselves. I don't get it." says Alien #1. I guess you just have to be an evolved ape in order understand it" says Alien #2.
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    • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 7 months ago
      Yes alien , it is alien to me to imagine how career criminals released would possibly make the communities safer and he gets away with saying it. Move on nothin to see here. 2/3 of voters have a mentality that apes would be ashamed of.
      This comes to mind from a pretty decent tv comedy. "People Of Earth"
      https://youtu.be/aGeMgCqjms8
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  • Posted by Ben_C 7 years, 7 months ago
    OK - so we release the bad guys and have our Second Amendment trashed by Brown. Glad i don't live in California. The exodus will continue.
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  • Posted by chad 7 years, 7 months ago
    Although putting someone in prison may keep society from having to deal with them for a period of time there is no successful effort to 'rehabilitate' the criminal mind that I am aware of. Fear of being incarcerated does little to change the mind of a criminal. It may drive them to become clever. If there were a successful method perhaps it could be used to 'cure collectivism' and secure a future of liberty where greatness would be appreciated and aspired to as opposed to being vilified and feared. That being said it is more likely that governor moonbeam is looking for more money for the state and believes that he will not have to deal with the criminals that are released.
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  • Posted by fosterj717 7 years, 7 months ago
    Brown is (and has been) a blithering idiot for years! Now he has senility setting in so he is even more so. If Californians go along with this insanity, they will get what they so richly deserve! Chaos! As the saying goes "stupid is as stupid does!"....
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    • Posted by BeenThere 7 years, 7 months ago
      Make that 2/3'd of Californians..........1/3 were against, as they are with all of Brown's evil. A once great, and more rational state, has gone down the toilet with altruism leading the way...........that philosophy led it there; only a rational philosophy can lead it out.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 7 years, 7 months ago
    What most people do not understand is that the entire purpose of a penal system is supposed to be about reforming the convicted so they can rejoin society as a productive and law-abiding citizen. That usually takes time as well as a focus on actually helping inmates change. But the penal system also serves as a deterrent (of degrees) or disincentive to commit certain acts. Reducing the sentencing will only invalidate these disincentives and encourage more crime.

    If I were living in California and I hadn't already moved, I would be getting out of there ASAP. "Escape from LA" is about to become reality...
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 7 years, 7 months ago
    Oklahoma ran into the same problem with their proposed changes to sentencing guidelines in an effort to reduce the societal and fiscal cost of "excessive" incarceration. Many criminal acts currently carried on OK books as "non-violent" include some forms of spousal or child abuse, for example, though none so outrageous as the California crimes. Fortunately these issues were brought up during legislative debate, and are being corrected before being sent to the governor.
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    • Posted by BeenThere 7 years, 7 months ago
      OK has a more sane populous...........many work directly with nature and "nature, to be commanded, must be obeyed." The farther from nature, the more many hold "others" as absolute.
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    • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 7 months ago
      Of course the soft sell of save money and non violent offenders pandered by the Gov and his leftist media companions reduced the concern and due diligence of the voters. When the term Non-Violent is used you would not expect these crimes to be called non violent •Assault with a deadly weapon on a peace officer
      •Battery with serious bodily injury
      •Solicitation to commit murder
      •Inflicting corporal injury on a child
      •First degree burglary
      •Raping an unconscious person
      •Human trafficking involving a minor
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 7 months ago
    I have no followed this issue at all, but all things being equal I favor less prison time, releasing prisoners as early as possible unless they're hopeless mass murderers. The reason is criminals respond to risk of getting caught but not long-term consequences. I like very few laws (not hitting or stealing in any form), a good number of cops, an army of citizens who want to help the cops catch the bad guys, and not spending a lot on long sentences. I'd rather cut sentences if quarter and quadruple the number of cops.
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