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Pelosi Amendment

Posted by unitedlc 7 years, 9 months ago to Politics
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Thoughts on my newly proposed amendment? Obviously it would need to be "lawyered up" I guess, but I prefer the simplicity myself...

Any vote of “yea” by a U.S. Senator or Congressman for the passage of a law affecting any U.S. Citizen shall be understood to be an agreement of the following: 1- I have fully read, understand and agree to every word of the bill for which I am favorably voting. 2- I agree that my “yea” vote is simultaneously a proclamation of swearing under oath to the same, punishable by all applicable federal perjury laws. 3- I agree to be bound the same as every citizen to the rules, privileges, limitations, and consequences of the entire law for which I am favorably voting.


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  • Posted by $ Abaco 7 years, 9 months ago
    Did you hear her call him Bush a couple days ago?
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    • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 9 months ago
      Me dino did. Some of that Botox must have seeped into her brain.
      She probably thinks there are 57 states just because so sayeth O the Great and Powerful~well, that's what the dipstick was at the time.
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      • Posted by Steven-Wells 7 years, 9 months ago
        As to Pelosi's brain: what brain?

        0 the Great did not imply 57 states. Let's get the story straight. Here's his actual statement that I had transcribed from the video of his blather:
        “I’ve now been in fifty-seven states, I think one left to go—one left to go, Alaska and Hawaii I was not allowed to go to even though I really wanted to visit, but my staff would not justify it.”

        So that's 57 states + 1 left to go + Alaska + Hawaii, which the staff wouldn't justify.
        Don’t believe a ketchup myth. It was never 57 states. It was 60 states!
        Sixty.
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    • Posted by Temlakos 7 years, 9 months ago
      I caught that. Anyone who conflates Donald J. Trump with George W. Bush speaks purely from willfully ignorant malice.
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      • Posted by Steven-Wells 7 years, 9 months ago
        Maybe it wasn't George W in her squirrel cage skull. Maybe it was Bush 41, George H. W. He's the guy who helped Maxine Waters drop bombs on children in Aleppo with Gary Johnson and invade Korea with Putin. Or some such nonsense from Democrat Delusionland.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 9 months ago
    Since I consider Pelosi's "Let's pass this bill to see what is in it" (this version of that quack's quote close enough) as the most outrageously incompetent thing to come out of a politician's sewer, that amendment is very much needed since stupid is what a lib lawmaker does.
    I heard of a "read the bill bill" that was proposed by a Republican representative shortly after the unaffordable for producers Affordable Healthcare Act was passed, but that was a quaint concept that could only go quietly into the night during the O'Dummer n' Dummer Regime. :
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    • Posted by 7 years, 9 months ago
      Looks like a pushed a nerve with "you dino".... ha!

      Your assessment of Pelosi's quote is my sentiment exactly.

      I didn't hear about the read the bill bill, but I am surprised it didn't get the attention it deserves! I have been hearing lately about how the repeal is going to take some time, so I have just been lamenting...
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      • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 9 months ago
        I do not envy Trump's job.
        The legislative and judiciary elements of the Jackass Party is out to obstruct everything and anything he tries to accomplish.
        Meanwhile, the lefty mainstream media is seeking when not inventing any chink in armor to thrust a dagger into.
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        • Posted by $ nickursis 7 years, 9 months ago
          I am just getting so fed up with the whole circus. I am rapidly running out of any media source that is not skewing everything in a negative manner, folding facts into their lies, that I have no idea what anyone is really saying, other than what we had could not continue, and now, what we have cannot continue. There is a serious, serious case of manipulation, plotting and open war now ongoing between the libertards and coinservatives, and it seems they all want to fight over what OUR desiccated carcasses can be raped for...Such a law as brought here would seem to be like any other law today, "not applicable". Fire them all and hire the Three Stooges. Larry, Moe, and Curly made better sense than any of these morons.....sad....really...
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          • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 9 months ago
            Hi Nickursis,
            The leftist media and democrats are filling their pants . They will pollute the air with the stench.
            The more they panic, affirms the improvements
            Ahead.
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          • Posted by 7 years, 9 months ago
            CNN's Chris Cuomo kind of summed up the way liberals look at things. He said that calling a journalist "Fake News" is like calling someone the "N" word. What he doesn't understand is that "Fake News" is a jab at "actions and words used" by a journalist. Calling someone the "N" word is derogatory for the sake of being derogatory. He would have been better served to compare it to being called "racist". That would have made sense. If someone feels that are not a racist, then they could take offense to being called a racist, just a s a journalist could be offended by the term "Fake News".
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        • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 9 months ago
          He is not intimidated . He gets no respect . It is a disgrace. the behavior of the E. Warren ,Pelosi, idiots. The hatred, the race card the hipocracy it is a dead end path ,it is meltdown.
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        • Posted by Riftsrunner 7 years, 9 months ago
          Well, the current narrative I have heard is Democrat legislators are claiming they have Republican colleagues who are worried about the sanity of the President. And it seems the left leaning media are running with it in hopes of demoralizing the general public. The problem is they aren't naming names, so it seems like they are trying to wedge the Republicans apart in hopes of keeping them from keeping their majority voting block. If they can knock a few votes aside, they have a chance to gridlock the Republican agenda.
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  • Posted by NealS 7 years, 9 months ago
    Yes, definitely, "Pelosi Amendment". Maybe we should put it to popular vote right now, as congress would never pass such a thing. And add to the popular vote, "Term Limits" as a backup, to prevent future Pelosi's, Water's, Feinstein's, Reed's, etc. those that put more effort in fighting than improving government for the people.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 7 years, 9 months ago
    Well, it seems pretty good on the surface; but even
    if passed and ratified, it would probably be ignored,
    as much of our Constitution is anyway.
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    • Posted by 7 years, 9 months ago
      Sadly that is a very true statement. At least the politicians won't have the defense of "not knowing" what they were getting into. It would also slow down the passage of some laws. A quick math calculation could tell you that nobody could have possibly read the "Un-ACA" prior to it's passage.
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  • Posted by wmiranda 7 years, 9 months ago
    Keep it the way it is. Don't lawyer it up. If you do, politicians will forever be arguing on the language, meaning and application of such simple intent.
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    • Posted by 7 years, 9 months ago
      I'm right there with you. That is the only problem with our Constitution. A little bit of it was worded juuuust vaguely enough that judges and attorneys have things they think are arguable....
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  • Posted by Jer 7 years, 9 months ago
    I think it should be simpler yet, but without any threatening language. Any vote of “yea” by a U.S. Senator or Congressman for the passage of a law affecting any U.S. Citizen shall be understood to be an agreement to the following: 1- I have fully read, understand and agree to the bill for which I am favorably voting. 2- I agree to be bound the same as every citizen to the rules, privileges, limitations and consequences of the law for which I am favorably voting.
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  • Posted by mia767ca 7 years, 9 months ago
    i think we should end the pay and benefits for congressmen/women...it should be a voluntary relationship...if citizens like the job they are doing they can send the congress rep. one check a year for no more than $100...no PAC...during a campaign, no one can advertize more than the poorest candidate...that's for starters...incentivize them to satisfy the citizen rather than themselves..
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  • Posted by $ jdg 7 years, 9 months ago
    If we're going to name it after Pelosi, it should have a clause that it's fully binding even if the legislator in question has the IQ of day-old bread.
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  • Posted by teri-amborn 7 years, 9 months ago
    Do they even know what the word "I" means?

    I have been watching from afar what is happening to this country and Ayn was correct:

    This country has been divided into "groups" with "group think" prevailing over individualism and principled thinking and "whoever has the biggest gang wins" is the mantra of the left.
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  • Posted by starznbarz 7 years, 9 months ago
    Sounds good until you realize that with damn few exceptions, they are a group of unashamed liars that hold no respect, or adherence to any law. Until we decide to hold national media responsible for their actions, we will see little change in the actions of congress.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 7 years, 9 months ago
    "Nay" should carry the same conditions.
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    • Posted by 7 years, 9 months ago
      I disagree. If I am 20 pages into a 1000 page bill, and I can already tell that it is a worthless pile of crap, I should not be forced to read the entire thing before voting No.
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      • Posted by $ Thoritsu 7 years, 9 months ago
        You got me there.
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        • Posted by 7 years, 9 months ago
          Haha! When I wrote the Amendment I thought about making it for any voting, for or against, but thought the better of it. I see where you were going though, perhaps as a way to help slow down "party line" voting. The way it is now, many bills don't get read by one party or another because it was written by an opposite party member. Perhaps we could add something along the lines of "Prior to casting any 'nay' vote, you must read at least the intro/summary pages." or something to that affect!
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          • Posted by $ Thoritsu 7 years, 9 months ago
            Originally, I was thinking that you were arguing statistics be taken for the vote, vs a law defining the meaning of a vote, but I figured that out before my comment.

            I still like the concept that all laws are social experiments, and they should have a criteria (outcome) they must satisfy in the future agreed to as part of the law, or they become void.
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            • Posted by 7 years, 9 months ago
              Hmmm. Not sure I like the social experiment thing. Any law that would need to be "tested" doesn't sound like something that would be beneficial to all individuals (the most important minority). I personally subscribe to "the fewer the number of laws, the better". A law should only be put into place to protect the individual's life, property and freedom from others. Not to protect someone from themselves and their own decisions.
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              • Posted by $ Thoritsu 7 years, 9 months ago
                Oh, I agree, minimize laws, maximize freedom! That is kind of my point in ensuring an agreed-to positive outcome is produced.

                For example, welfare, should improve the life of poor people, and if done properly, reduce the number of poor people. Clearly neither has happened, and we have ever-increasing roles on welfare. Therefore, it doesn't work. On and on.

                What law has already been tested? There is no "control" to compare the experiment to.
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                • Posted by 7 years, 9 months ago
                  Even if welfare worked to accomplish what it was supposedly set out to accomplish, it is still wrong in every aspect. The whole premise behind welfare is redistribution from someone that is deemed to have "more than he needs" to someone who is deemed to "not have enough". No success can ever come from the premise of welfare because it is ethically unfit.

                  Charity is an entirely different premise. As long as you are not a mooching A-hole, then someone is bound to help you out in a time of unforeseen string of bad circumstances. If there was no welfare, and charity was more relied upon, people would be much nicer.
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                  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 7 years, 9 months ago
                    I agree with all of that; however, you have to admit, requiring people to assert the intended result and a measured value would significantly reduce the legislation passed, legislation surviving and public understanding of legislation.
                    Is there any way the stimulus could not be viewed as a complete failure under this measure?
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                    • Posted by 7 years, 9 months ago
                      Yes, but who measures the results? That is always a problem with government data. It is ALWAYS manipulated to prove a point. Hell, look at unemployment rates. Depending on who you talk to it is wonderful or it is terrible. Global warming... Both sides manipulate the data to fit their agenda. We will never be able to know the truth about any of it!

                      Logic itself could have predetermined that the stimulus would fail. Bush did us no favors starting down that road that Obama continued on gleefully. It once again was Welfare. If a business is failing, then generally all they need is money. If they can't acquire a loan and no one will buy stock, then that means that nobody cares if that business stays in business. Why should the tax payers have to pay for the mistakes of so-called businessmen?

                      My point is that an ethical litmus test should be applied to every law/stimulus/war/etc BEFORE it is implemented. It is not rocket surgery to determine whether or not a "government program" will work. Generally, assume it will not.
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                      • Posted by $ Thoritsu 7 years, 9 months ago
                        Objective measure must be part of the testable results of the experiment.

                        The reason I like this approach is that all laws become temporary.

                        You and I totally agree on the desired outcome. I argue for this particular measure (and like yours as well) because it will drive behaviors to limit government.
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                        • Posted by 7 years, 9 months ago
                          I have mixed feelings about your approach. While I absolutely do like the idea of a mechanism that "kicks out" a law that has failed, I don't like laws changing all of the time. We both seem to agree the fewer laws the better, but there is something to be said for stability as well.

                          I liken it to playing a game of Monopoly. When I start the game, I fully understand the rules, whether I like them or not. When someone starts getting beat they might try to say, "hey, let's change a rule to this instead" to prolong the game. (Not that Monopoly needs prolonging, but you get my point). In our society, government does not like winners and losers. They want everyone to continue to play the game until death. Whenever someone gets ahead, they change the rules. You can plan for stability, you can't plan for constantly changing laws.
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