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How Many Bricklayers Did Galt Invite to the Gulch?

Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 3 months ago to Culture
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Galt went around inviting famous artists, noted business leaders to the Guch, but once there, who built their houses? Who paved their streets, dug their sewer lines?

This isn't a class warfare argument; the building of a house, for example, not only takes a skilled architect, but also skilled craftsmen and industrious laborers.

If the criterion for admission is a belief in "trading value for value", surely Galt should and would have invited "ordinary" workers to the Gulch as well as luminaries like Wyatt and Danagger?

Such people exist lower down on the ladder; people who believe in trading value for value, but lack the creative ability to invent a new motor or miraculous metal. People who didn't inherit an already successful railroad or copper mines, but would be able to get a day's worth of coal or copper dug in a day's worth of hours for a day's worth of pay. Maybe they lack the ambition to go through the headache of running a company when they get more satisfaction from digging coal out of the ground. Maybe they lack the self discipline necessary to see their visions to reality, but are still able and still believe in trading value for value.

What Utopians always underestimate in their rhetoric (no disparagement of Ms Rand intended) is the example America set before them. People's abilities and worth are not necessarily evidenced by their position in life. All the creative brilliance in the world will not get a brick wall built. A brick wall built without knowledge and skill won't stand, but the most creative and brilliantly designed wall will never exist without someone to lay it up brick by brick. Someone whose creative skill may be shrouded by prejudice toward his position in life.

There may not be a place in the Gulch for someone like me. But that would be Galt's loss.


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  • Posted by caychris 11 years, 2 months ago
    The brick layer in the Gulch knows his worth and doesn't settle for less. The inventor also knows the worth of the laborer and will pay him accordingly. Most of the world either overestimates their value or drastically undersells their own worth.
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  • Posted by geoffleach 11 years, 2 months ago
    Hmmmm ... not very self-sufficient are you? All you would need is a few books, or internet access, to construct a perfectly liveable home. It's you lack of self-reliance that would exclude you from the Gulch, not your lack of skill. Oh yes, and your socialist values as well.
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  • Posted by richrobinson 11 years, 2 months ago
    John Galt wanted the best and the brightest from all walks of life. Those that could still think for themselves. True Rand did not introduce us to everone in the Gulch but I am quite certain that the blue collar worker was well represented.
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  • Posted by freedombreeze1 11 years, 2 months ago
    What makes you think laborers were not invited to the Gulch? Of course the Gulch would need bricklayers, carpenters, etc. They would be valued according to their merit. Being free to create unfettered, he may even invent tools to perform his job more efficiently. I could imagine under a free market, the best ones would be highly valued and paid accordingly. In fact, a bricklayers job may include cleaning up but that would add to his merit. Its organized labor in bed with government that has limited the bricklayers own success and kept him "lower down on the ladder" in their careers.
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  • Posted by Nyanard 11 years, 2 months ago
    There is no ladder of skills. We select those skills we wish to perfect. The brain enables us to do remarkable works when called upon. Which we master to perfection becomes a choice. Brick walls are not that difficult to build. People build them around themselves all the time.
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  • Posted by cbemery3 11 years, 2 months ago
    a job digging coal does not exist because a person has the ability to dig coal, it exists because someone wants the coal dug and is willing to pay someone to do it...can you dig it?
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  • Posted by Thoman 11 years, 2 months ago
    I don't think Galt had to invite bricklayers. The men invited had the ability to build whatever they wanted to build. If they were not able to lay bricks they would learn and if they had not the material to make bricks they would construct homes of other material. I'm not saying he did not invite bricklayers, I'm saying he need not.
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  • Posted by highlander999 11 years, 2 months ago
    I am sure in the halls of labor there are many Laborers with Objective Value. And among them many a bricklayer that realizes his worth and effort as regards to the payment for those.

    Just as mentioned, Kellogg, the Brakeman, etal. Each had their virtue and knew their value. I believe it was either Francisco or Galt that mentioned that while Eddie might not have have the abilities that they each had, he had his own virute and worked to the extent of his talents. I think that is all that is expected from each of us.

    So, I am sure there were Objective Bricklayers, and Electricians, Railroad Engineers and Scientists along with the Midas Milligans and others..
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  • Posted by dlfausett 11 years, 2 months ago
    As many as needed. None. Almost all CEOs are capable of doing those jobs. The results might not be as pretty as someone who does that for a living but they are more than adequate. Besides it's a lot more fun doing it yourself.
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  • Posted by newtlove 11 years, 2 months ago
    Sure, Ayn Rand understood! When John Galt was in NYC watching over Dagny, he worked undercover as a common laborer. Rand didn't get bogged down in the minutia--thank G-d--about how every area needs a blend of low to high income housing to create the communities that people tend to group into. Atlas Shrugged was already a LONG novel, and didn't need to be made longer. Some details are meant to be seen and not heard (not mentioned).
    Now, quit your nit-picking, and carry on!
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  • Posted by DGriffing 11 years, 2 months ago
    We shouldn't dump on Hiraghm for asking about brick layers in Galt's Gulch. Over the last 20 some years its been my experience that many Objectivists fashion themselves to be pretty high up in the hierarchy with their understanding of elite philosophical theory. But its also been my experience that a vary good share of these same people lack many of the practical skills that are needed, not only to set up a functioning self-sufficient community such as Galt's Gulch but also to succeed in ordinary life.
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    • Posted by $ winterwind 11 years, 2 months ago
      I am not "dumping on him" for asking.
      I am excoriating him for not listening to the answers he doesn't agree with, and not referring to the expert on "what Rand means" - Rand.
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  • Posted by cwieder3 11 years, 2 months ago
    Most, if not virtually all, independent-minded, self-reliant individuals are resourceful. I.e., capable of getting things done – acquiring skills, solving problems, etc. – outside of their main area(s) of expertise. If masons, ditch-diggers, etc. aren’t free-lancing in the hood, and DIY Network isn’t available online, chores such as those posed in the question could be accomplished nevertheless in due time.
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  • Posted by wmaisannes 11 years, 2 months ago
    When Dagny got to the Gulch, she saw a man who looked like a truck driver. She asked something like "are you a comparative literature professor?" He answered "No, mam, I am a truck driver".
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  • Posted by radicalbill 11 years, 2 months ago
    Some of the people that built the houses, I am sure, were from the companies. The idea of a "secret" place to hide out when everything goes to ground is not far fetched. Just last week the wildfires in Montana threatened a "hideout" for the wealthy in Hollywood. And Walmart has one for thier top staff.
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  • Posted by Wolf359 11 years, 2 months ago
    No disrespect intended - this may be the best novel ever written - but it's worth noting that Eddie was morally equal to any man, yet no one considered inviting him to the gulch even for second. Instead, Rand fed him to the coyotes.
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    • Posted by $ winterwind 11 years, 2 months ago
      ummmm.....I think I missed that.
      AND I never got the idea that anyone was "invited" to the Gulch. All had to be shown, many had to be persuaded, often over some time. Examine a number of the scenes between Hank and Francisco or Dagny and Francisco, in which Francisco reveals the suffering - Rand says "torture" of the life he has CHOSEN to live in Prometheus' cause. The strike is not a picnic to which you invite your friends, it is ... a choice - different for everyone, and hard for almost all.
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  • Posted by rcpflueger 11 years, 2 months ago
    It's a novel, for cryin' out loud. Enjoy the story. Embrace the principles.
    (And I imagine Galt could have handled the loss of you in his Gulch).
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  • Posted by Eric839 11 years, 2 months ago
    It is true that behind every good capitalists are hard working laborers...However, Rand was making the point that overzealous government will drive business out.We are seeing it now with lost jobs and underemployed.
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  • Posted by lizilu 11 years, 2 months ago
    Hiragnm,
    There was no effort in the book to provide an exhaustive list of all the residents of the Gulch. Plans were made to build new railroads and factories, etc. There could have been a couple thousand in the Gulch. And while millions perished on the outside, millions of others would have survived. Dagny wanted to take Eddie to the Gulch.
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  • Posted by freedombreeze1 11 years, 2 months ago
    What makes you think laborers were not invited to the Gulch? Of course the Gulch would need bricklayers, carpenters, plumbers, waiters, maids, etc. They would be valued according to their merit. Being free to create, unfettered, a bricklayer may even invent tools to perform his tasks more efficiently. I imagine in a free market, the best ones would be highly valued and paid accordingly. In fact, a bricklayer's career may include all kinds of other tasks but that would embelish his credibility and make him more marketable. It's organized labor in bed with government that has limited the bricklayer's own success and kept him "lower down on the ladder" in his career. "
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  • Posted by Stereorealist 11 years, 2 months ago
    Obviously, Galt and Midas Mulligan bought an abandoned town. Probably let the remaining tenants stay. That's what I would do.
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    • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 2 months ago
      That wasn't obvious to me at all. They would get their own area...and not want to deal with "tenants" who might be moochers or looters. Why would YOU do that?
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      • Posted by $ rockymountainpirate 11 years, 2 months ago
        I agree. Mulligan bought the raw land for himself, I believe pre-Galt. Those that moved there to live full time leased the land from Mulligan and built their own houses. It was a secret, secured location and all the adults had to take the oath. That to me would preclude buying an existing town with existing people.
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        • Posted by $ stargeezer 11 years, 2 months ago
          I recall the Midas said he bought miles of that land from ranchers who never knew what they owned. Having known some men like those ranchers, I can tell you that having money to purchase a large tract of land, is not the same thing as having a vision of what to do with the land, building, farm or ranch.

          Midas had a vision, Galt/Ragnor/Francisco brought it to life.
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