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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 6 months ago
    Is says "porque frontera entró usted" (because border did you enter)
    Are they trying to say: "¿Por cuál frontera entró usted?" (Through which border did you enter?)
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    • Posted by 10 years, 6 months ago
      "Porque" also means "why." So that question is really "Why did you cross the border?"
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 6 months ago
        Porque means because, but it's pronounced almost the same as why, which is "Por qué" If they meant why it doesn't make sense to have a noun following it.

        Maybe it wasn't written by or for educated speaker. My guess is they meant *what* border did you come in though, and they didn't know "what" should be translated to to "cuál" in this case. If it was written by and for lawbreakers, they're probably not fastidious about the grammar.
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  • Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 6 months ago
    Two things:

    1. There is no proof to support the baseless claim that the Obama administration is feeding information to immigrants. Contrary to what the white nationalists and advocates of racial apartheid apparently think, a person does not have to receive communication via an informant from the Federal government to acquire knowledge of the law. In a free society, the law is openly available to the general public, so a Federal informant is unnecessary.

    2. Immigration shouldn't even be illegal in the first place.
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    • Posted by $ stargeezer 10 years, 6 months ago
      immigration is controlled in order to have some control of the quality of people coming into our country. Next immigration is controlled in order to insure that US workers not competing against some worker from Somalia (for instance) who would be very happy to take any job for $7.50 a hour, or even $3.

      Our system is also in place to help insure that disease ridden third world boat people aren't coming carrying plague or hepatitis for a couple "no go" diseases.

      There are many others, but most importantly it's to insure that our US citizens privilege's are not passed out like door prizes at a party. People swimming/wading across the Rio Grande river are not entitled to Social Security, welfare, food stamps and all the rest.

      Lastly, you say immigration shouldn't be illegal like you think it's illegal. It's not. It's controlled and regulated. Limited and very legal as long as you do it properly. What's illegal is just walking across the border without documentation.
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      • Posted by 10 years, 6 months ago
        Star: I'll have to disagree with you on the wage aspect - that should be a free-market issue only, not regulated by gov't. Other than that, you're spot on. There's nothing illegal about immigration, but it is controlled. Those who immigrate against those controls have done so illegally - that's what makes them illegal immigrants.
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      • Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 6 months ago
        Control of the quality of people coming into our country? The very suggestion is abhorrent. Government should never be given authority to judge the "quality" of human beings.
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        • Posted by $ stargeezer 10 years, 6 months ago
          Be horrified as you wish, but a person consumed with some genetic abnormality or a carrier of disease which cannot be cured, only spread or a moron is simply not going to make a good addition to our society. We are descussing allowing people in based on how they will add to our society, not be a burden to it. We have enough of those who are born here.

          I'm certain you can place this in the collection of other things we don't see eye to eye on.
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          • Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 6 months ago
            It is not our concern to discuss how anyone will or will not contribute to our society. Our only concern should be to protect their dignity as human beings.
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            • Posted by $ stargeezer 10 years, 6 months ago
              I can't express just how insane this concept is. Are you 12yo? That's about the level of maturity your world view seems to come from.

              The purpose of the immigration dept is to find the people who will best benefit our society, not cost it untold thousands in support since the sluggard you would invite would not be able to earn their own way. Never mind ever becoming a producer.

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              • Posted by $ Maphesdus 10 years, 6 months ago
                12 + 16

                Your claim that immigrants would not be able to pay their own way or become producers sounds like a baseless assumption.
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                • Posted by $ stargeezer 10 years, 6 months ago
                  Realy? Is that why the highest concentration of people on welfare is along the border? Is that not why people who have no skills cannot find a job?

                  If you contend that immigrants are coming to our land and going to work in living wage jobs, show us the numbers. You surly can find a link to that.

                  But somehow the BO administration seems to NOT be pushing those numbers as it's pushing it's open borders policies.
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                  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 5 months ago
                    He's playing games with language...

                    note that he said, "your claim that *immigrants*..."
                    Those concentrated along the border are not immigrants; they're illegal alien invaders, whom he's trying to conflate with immigrants.
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      • Posted by $ stargeezer 10 years, 6 months ago
        I should add the if believing that our laws should be followed and obeyed places me in a line to be labeled as "white nationalists and advocates of racial apartheid", OK, but I don't think so.

        I KNOW you aren't old enough to personally have seen what apartheid was all about, and since it's not a system in place in any current nation I know of, just how does this apply to America? I find this reference very confused - or perhaps I'm just having a bad brain day. Just what do you mean?
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        • Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 6 months ago
          So you think you're not a Nationalist, yet you accuse foreigners of being disease ridden drains on welfare and unfair competition for jobs? You realize that's the defining characteristic of a Nationalist attitude and belief system, right?

          And actually, there is one nation that currently has apartheid in place: Israel. And you are correct that I have never personally experienced apartheid myself, but I have read a few books on the subject, the most prominent of which was a book written by former President Jimmy Carter, titled, "Palestine - Peace, Not Apartheid," which has gone a long way towards shaping my views on the issue.

          "Palestine - Peace, Not Apartheid," by Jimmy Carter:
          http://www.amazon.com/Palestine-Peace-Ap...

          Then there's also a documentary about apartheid in Israel titled, "The Stones Cry Out," which you can watch a trailer of here:

          The Stones Cry Out - The Story of The Palestinian Christians:
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YyuujIg...

          And then there's also the recent movie about Nelson Mandela and his fight against the polices of racial apartheid which were imposed by the Nationalist Party in South Africa, which is why Mandela is celebrated as an icon of freedom and civil rights today. Here's the trailer for that:

          Mandela: Long Walk to Freedom:
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmm-aazQ...

          There's also another documentary titled "The Pervert's Guide to Ideology," which is just generally about philosophy, but which features a particular scene describing the inherent link between fascism and the fear of foreigners. You can watch that clip here:

          Slavoj Žižek on Jaws, Fascism (Excerpt from "The Pervert's Guide to Ideology"):
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQHoGwnX...

          Pay special attention to this quote at the end of the clip:

          "Let me just take some other concepts of the Nazi world view. The solidarity of the people. My god, there is nothing bad in this notion as such. The problem is solidarity to what kind of people? If by people you mean falzedemeintia, the organic community of people, where then the enemy is automatically the foreign intruder, in this case we are in Nazism."
          ~ Slavoj Žižek
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          • Posted by $ stargeezer 10 years, 6 months ago
            Are you aware that the S Africa government gave up it's stand on apartheid and Mandea was elected president. Funny how he made such a mess of things that he couldn't get elected again for a second term.

            Next if you are implying that I'm proposing or supporting a Nazi world view, I have a few stories to share, but lets just say that like so much you say, you are just wrong.

            Holding that we must keep our border secure is far from Nazism. Failing to keep them secure leads to another 9/11, which was a direct result of Bill Clinton's failure to act on so many things.

            All you are listing is history. Not only that, it is history that has been corrected. None of it is pertinent to our current immigration policies.
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          • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 6 months ago
            "The Pragmatics of Patriotism" by Robert A. Heinlein

            http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1165294...

            "Nor am I certain how good our chances are. To me it seems self-evident that any nation that loses its patriotic fervor is on the skids. Without that indispensable survival factor the end is only a matter of time. I don't know how deeply the rot has penetrated –– but it seems to me that there has been a change for the worse in the last fifty years. Possibly I am misled by the offensive behavior of a noisy but unimportant minority. But it does seem to me that patriotism has lost its grip on a large percentage of our people.

            I hope I am wrong. . .because if my fears are well grounded, I would not bet two cents on this nation's chance of lasting even to the end of this century. "
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          • Posted by $ stargeezer 10 years, 6 months ago
            I would expect you to quote that fool Jimmy Carter. As for Germans and Nationalism, there's a real match - again. Sorry got bored by it and could not continue the self abuse that arose from watching it further.

            Lets just agree to disagree on our world views. Continue yours shaped by marginal internet sources and fringe reactionary political groups and social rejects.

            what a waste.
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          • Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 6 months ago
            Regarding that word "falzedemeintia" in the above post, I don't actually know what Slavoj Žižek is trying to say there, but it sounds like a German word which has no direct equivalent in English. So I just guessed at the spelling, but I most likely got it wrong. (If there are any German speakers here who can understand what Žižek is saying, I'd love a more accurate translation.)
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    • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 6 months ago
      In point of fact, the Obama administration is NOT feeding information to immigrants (other than that information provided by the State department).

      He may, however, be providing information to

      ILLEGAL ALIEN INVADERS.

      Immigration ISN'T illegal, Maph.

      This isn't immigration.
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