Arpaio: ‘Border Patrol Is Too Busy Changing Diapers’ To Go After Illegal Immigrants

Posted by $ Your_Name_Goes_Here 10 years, 5 months ago to Politics
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There is no question in my mind that this "crisis" was manufactured by the administration to grease the skids for unilateral executive action to make those who illegally entered our country "legal citizens".
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  • Posted by Herb7734 10 years, 5 months ago
    The need to win votes trumps any rational action to be taken on our borders. The fallacy behind this is the classification of ethnic groups as having one mind. The ultimate answer is to make an elected office a duty rather than a gift of automatic wealth. Then, getting re-elected would be less important than doing the right thing.
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    • Posted by RonC 10 years, 5 months ago
      Prior to the 17th amendment, Senators were selected by the legislatures of the separate States and sent to Washington to represent the best interests of their State. How different would Harry Reid's conduct be if he answered to his Governor and the legislature for his actions? He could truly love his President and all he stands for and still be out of work, midterm, if he forgot the best interests of Nevada.

      This is one of the changes from the first Progressive era, W. Wilson and friends. Approximately 100 years later this is the result of 1 change to the US Constitution. The founders knew what they were doing. The Union of the States may never have happened without a check in the system to protect State's rights. Appointed Senators was that check.

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  • Posted by LITTLERED1977 10 years, 5 months ago
    There are adequate laws already passed. We don't need any new regulations. Just enforce what we have NOW. One day China will wake up and decide the US is a good place for millions of their escess population.
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    • Posted by $ 10 years, 5 months ago
      I'm not proposing more immigration law, and as you suggest we should simply enforce those laws we already have on the books and the problem to a large extent would be resolved.

      Unfortunately, NEITHER side of the aisle seems to want enforcement of those laws.
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      • Posted by LITTLERED1977 10 years, 5 months ago
        The ruling parties are nearly identical in their approach to enforcing laws. Dems want them to get here and vote and Repubs want them to get here and work. If illegal aliens were forbinnen from voting, Dems would close the border tthemselves.
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 10 years, 5 months ago
    Hello YNGH,
    If nothing else the stated policies of our Executive are definitely encouraging illegal entry. A lot of things seem to be being done to undermine the sovereignty, property rights, and general welfare of the legitimate taxpaying citizens and legal immigrants.
    The Constitution by virtue of the tenth amendment leaves border control within the province of state powers. It only mandates a uniform rule of naturalization. It does however provide that "the United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against invasion. [See Article IV, Section 4] If aliens entering into a State from a foreign country constitute an invasion, then the federal government is constitutionally mandated by this provision to intervene and protect the State."
    http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2010/10/...

    invasion
    Syllabification: in·va·sion
    Pronunciation: /inˈvāZHən /
    NOUN
    1An instance of invading a country or region with an armed force:
    the Allied invasion of Normandy
    in 1546 England had to be defended from invasion
    1.1An incursion by a large number of people or things into a place or sphere of activity:
    stadium guards are preparing for another invasion of fans
    1.2An unwelcome intrusion into another’s domain:
    random drug testing of employees is an unwarranted invasion of privacy
    Respectfully,
    O.A.
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    • Posted by $ 10 years, 5 months ago
      Thank you, O.A., and good afternoon!

      The tenth amendment has been neutered by the Federal Government through a poor interpretation of the interstate commerce clause. We have a (Federal) Customs and Border Protection Agency "ensuring the borders". That is not working, and States have been disallowed from performing their own border protection and immigration efforts.

      In short, where does one turn when the Government won't enforce its own laws, and seems to value those outside its borders more than those within (excepting April 15, mind you)?
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      • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 10 years, 5 months ago
        Indeed. Although our executive seems intent on making its own laws and enforcing them, irrespective of Constitutional law ... We are no longer a nation of laws; we are a nation of men... Well there is some hope. The SCOTUS has slapped down a few things lately and now we must wait to see if these rulings are honored. Our Declaration of Independence sets down in the second paragraph the principle that once a government has overstepped its legitimate power that "...it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it..." It would appear that they have not read or understood the founding documents nor direction they are pushing the true patriots who still believe in our founding documents and principles.
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    Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 5 months ago
    Good. They shouldn't be going after them anyway.
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    • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 5 months ago
      you *really* want civil war in this country, don't you?

      But then, you don't believe in countries.
      So why, exactly, should the rest of us protect your rights?
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        Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 5 months ago
        I believe in countries, just not in border control. An open society is a free society. ;)
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        • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 5 months ago
          Without borders, there are no countries. You have no way of defining your culture.

          I notice you didn't answer my question.
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          • Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 5 months ago
            I didn't say no borders, I said no border control. Slight difference there.

            And yes, you are correct that there would be no way of defining culture. That's part of the point. Culture should not be defined, regulated, or controlled in the first place.
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    • Posted by $ 10 years, 5 months ago
      Exactly. Laws, The Constitution, etc are really just recommendations.
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        Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 5 months ago
        The Constitution doesn't mention immigration. As for the laws, I believe Dr. King had something to say about that...

        "One has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws."
        ~ Martin Luther King Jr.
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        • Posted by $ 10 years, 5 months ago
          This administration has consistently cherry-picked the laws it wants to enforce, and those it chooses to ignore. This administration has also ridden roughshod over our Constitution through the abuse of executive power. That was my reference to the Constitution and to the laws of this nation.

          Our immigration laws are here for a reason, and I certainly do not view them as unjust. There is a process that immigrants may follow to arrive here legally. Following that legally prescribed process has gone out the window for many years, unfortunately.

          This is a country that like it or not has - or had - a culture. The influx of illegal immigrants has NOT adapted to the culture of this country... and bringing thousands more into this country is going in the wrong direction. The social safety nets of this country - as generous as they are - cannot sustain this incremental loading.

          You seem to be advocating completely open borders. Are there other countries who have such a policy? I'm certain that Mexico vigorously enforces its borders and its immigration policies, as does Canada...
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            Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 5 months ago
            The legal process of immigration is actually deliberately designed to keep as many immigrants out as possible. And yes, I am an advocate of open borders. As long as someone doesn't have a violent criminal record (non-violent drug crimes don't count), and isn't a member of a terrorist organization, they should be allowed in.

            As for the social safety nets, I actually think we ought to have government work programs instead of government welfare programs. That way people are doing something to earn their keep, rather than just receiving a free handout.
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            • Posted by $ 10 years, 5 months ago
              Immigration laws are designed to assimilate a number of people into this nation's culture, not to "keep as many immigrants out as possible". If that were the case, many of my Indian co-workers would not be here designing the next generation microprocessors for servers and personal computers.

              The culture of a nation is important, and we are losing ours by virtue of this and other administrations turning a blind eye to the "law of the land". It is the intent of this administration, in my personal opinion, to flood this country with as many immigrants as possible for purposes of garnering votes of those new slaves as well as for building a new country based on our Dear Leader's socialist leanings.
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                Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 5 months ago
                You're right. Culture is incredibly important. That's why it should not be controlled or regulated by the government.

                And the reason why our government makes an exception for immigrants from India is because of the H-1B immigration visa, which exists to compensate for the fact that our own educational system is terrible. Michio Kaku has more info on that:
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK0Y9j_C...
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                • Posted by $ 10 years, 5 months ago
                  <sigh> But your argument is to have it both ways.
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                    Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 5 months ago
                    How so?
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                    • Posted by $ 10 years, 5 months ago
                      Essentially open borders AND maintain the culture. You can't have it both ways. New immigrants need to assimilate to the current culture and adopt it, which takes time. Flooding the country as our Dear Leader is doing undermines the ability to assimilate and retain our culture.
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                      • Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 5 months ago
                        I didn't say maintain the culture. I said prevent government from attempting to control the culture. Culture is a fluid and dynamic organism, constantly shifting and perpetually changing. Trying to preserve culture in any particular state is folly, and any attempts to do so will only result in the suppression of culture, inhibiting and stifling its natural growth and evolution.
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                        • Posted by $ 10 years, 5 months ago
                          Preventing government from attempting to control the culture... That's precisely what our Dear Leader is attempting. By flooding the US with people who have no historical context of this country, he is able to then steer it to what he wants. Which is a culture of dependency. Do you want to live in such a culture? I do not.

                          Culture does change over time, but it is over tens of years. Dear Leader is attempting it over his remaining 2.5 years in office.
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            • Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 5 months ago
              It seems to me borders and nation states have less meaning today because of technology. That's uncomfortable for some and it has it's pros and cons; but it's happening, and no one has a serious plan to turn back the clock. Instead our plan is to look the other way. We say we have immigration laws, but we have 15 million people living here illegally. We've created an underclass.

              I essentially agree with you on opening the borders to non-violent people, but I don't know if it should be 100%. I'm for doing it slowly. We should have some form of limited amnesty for people who are here illegally already UNLESS there is some easy way to find them and deport them. It's very unfair I'm saying to partially restrict immigration but then let people who sneaked in stay. I just don't have a better program.

              I would rather restrict immigration and enforce the laws better than just look the other way. Looking the other way is a horrible policy. The more things that are illegal but not enforced, the easier it is for corrupt officials to accuse anyone they don't like of a crime.
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              • Posted by $ 10 years, 5 months ago
                Technology did not put between 10 and 30 million illegal aliens into this country. That was done via a willful blind eye being turned to our immigration laws. Had those laws been enforced, much of our illegal immigration problems would not exist today.

                "Doing the jobs Americans won't do"... That is only possible today because our entitlement system has grown from a safety net to a hammock.
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                • Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 5 months ago
                  I agree with the first part. I was not saying technology *caused* illegal immigration, rather that it makes immigration less important b/c it makes it easier to move value across borders.

                  The part about a social safety net leading to immigration doesn't ring true to me. I think automation has had more impact on the domestic labor market that trade and immigration combined.

                  I think it's completely caused by what you said: turning a willful blind eye to our immigration laws. It's almost our official policy to just look the other way.
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        • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 5 months ago
          Article 2, section 1, clause 5.

          So, you're saying that MLK told me it's my moral responsibility to disobey the 1964 civil rights act, and all of the affirmative action laws on the books?
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            Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 5 months ago
            Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5:
            "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

            Yeah, that doesn't have anything to do with immigration, except to say that immigrants can't run for the office of President. It doesn't say anything about whether or not they can enter the country. And personally, I actually think this particular part of the Constitution ought to be repealed through an Amendment, anyway.
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            • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 5 months ago
              "The Constitution doesn't mention immigration"
              " immigrants can't run for the office of President."

              Hi there. Make up your mind whenever you're ready.

              I'm sure you do think it should be repealed.
              You sure talk like an anarchist.
              Or is it just the U.S. you want destroyed?

              Again you duck my question.
              This makes two questions you failed to answer...

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              • Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 5 months ago
                I said it doesn't mention immigration, not that it doesn't mention immigrants. Immigration and immigrants are two different things. The first is a process, the second refers to people.

                I do believe in a society where people are free from the tyrannical oppression of an authoritative regime, which I suppose is sort of an anarchist ideology, though at the same time I don't believe it's even possible, let alone desirable, to create a society without some form of government. In this light, the matter then becomes a question not of abolishing government, but rather of restricting its power and authority as much as possible.
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                • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 5 months ago
                  Immigrants immigrate. You're trying to split hairs to get out of the corner you've boxed yourself into.

                  I also believe in a society where people are free from the tyrannical oppression of an authoritative regime...

                  Which has nothing to do with letting every barbarian who has the urge come storming in to said society and thereby destroying it.

                  You DO remember Rome, right? The barbarians who "migrated"... until they started flooding?

                  Don't see Rome around much anymore. And the dark ages came AFTER Rome was invaded and destroyed by the barbarians... not while the Romans were securing the borders of their empire...
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                    Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 5 months ago
                    I haven't backed myself into a corner. I'm simply pointing out that the Constitution does not mention the process of immigration, nor does it say anything about how that process should be handled.

                    As for your claims about Rome, what history book are you reading?
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                    • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 5 months ago
                      In Article 2, section 1, clause 5 it establishes different qualities of citizen, and draws a definite line between American and not-American, and that not-Americans do not enjoy all the privileges of Americans.

                      Tacitus, Gibbons, others... what history books are YOU reading?

                      How did you manage to reach adulthood NOT knowing that the barbarians overran Rome; not knowing that the Dark Ages were a result of Rome's collapse?
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