When my IT consulting company was the contractual IT administration for the UFCW in Phoenix the union had office space and staff dedicated to harassing Walmart. Reason: Walmart won't unionize.
When Wal-mart had a meeting to warn us about union organizers harassing us, and what to do about it if we didn't want to talk to them, I asked the manager in charge of the meeting, "Who's going to protect *them* from *me*?"
That probably did a lot to suppress any pro-union sentiments among my co-workers... or at least their open expression of said sentiments...
(I later quietly told my boss maybe he should send me home that day, cause if a union rep talked to me, he probably wouldn't survive the encounter...)
Instead of trying to convince folks of the benefits of unionization (if there is any - which might be the problem) they instead take to attacking the businesses that bring the greatest benefit to many of their members.
I should add to my experience on this matter, the Union who opposed Walmart was very much in favor of unionizing illegal aliens throughout Arizona. So much for Unions and individual rights. The time for unions, nothing more than a collection of lawyers working to find ways to get paid, is well past. As a former 3x small business owner I can honestly say that providing benefits and treating your people with respect is the single best way to retain quality personnel (which keeps your business growing).
You have a point. Maybe unions violating individual rights is just in their nature. Or maybe they have discovered over and over that it is an effective and low risk means to their ends.
The problem is that of self-interest. When you become the leader of a union (a union boss), you have no other job than to unionize more people so your personal paycheck gets bigger. It's a snowball effect of the kind that quickly degenerates into the mentality of the gangster or thug. And when they get a staff to "help" them, you only increase the angular velocity of the snowball.
I am against unionization. Period. If there is a problem with wages or conditions, the best solution is competition from an open and non-government-controlled market. Adam Smith pointed this out centuries ago.
Sounds like a self-interested person is bad. Then, is a self-interested person who respects individual rights bad? Is an other-interested person who violates individual rights good? Is left right?
I should probably clarify: they seek their short-term self-interest. In the long-term, unionization leads to wage stagnation, counter-productivity (not just loss of productivity), loss of flexibility to market changes, and it can't be continued without government subsidization (see Chicago) or it collapses under its own weight. I don't see it as a rights issue one way or the other.
Not sure I get your answer yet. So, if there was a union that respected individual rights, do you say that in the long term government must subsidize it?
It seems to me that if a union kept violating individual rights, it would soon cease to be. That is unless the force of government got involved and it violated individual rights in favor of the union. (The way things happen today.)
I think we're talking past each other. From your perspective, why are union issues linked to rights?
From my perspective, value drives decision-making. How one makes a valuation of a particular decision is based on whether one approaches a deal or issue with a short-term or long-term view in mind (expense vs investment). If one views a particular transaction from the short-term goal of "how much money am I going to make in the next year", one can come to a very different conclusion than if one evaluates the same transaction based on a long-term "how can I maximize the life-long return of this relationship". In the case of a union boss, they are frequently concerned with the short-term, rather than the long-term view. Thus they advocate higher wages, more benefits, etc., while ignoring the fact that those higher wages et al cause higher product costs, less product consumption, and drive consumers to competitors' brands. In the short term, the wages go up, the union dues go up, and the union boss collects a windfall, but in the long term, the company automates (laying off workers), and in some cases (see United Airlines), goes into bankruptcy and voids the contracts altogether.
And let me be very clear: I do not support ANY governmental subsidization or other enabling behavior which supports unionization.
Last year and the year before, I had a nice, hot turkey dinner for thanksgiving and Christmas. I wouldn't have, otherwise, unless I cooked it by myself. And instead of eating by myself, I got to eat it with a roomful of co-workers. That actually means more to me than I thought it would...
Periodically, when we meet safety goals, Wal-mart brings in pizza, or sub sandwiches, or even grills burgers and hotdogs (guess who does the grilling? Off-duty managers come in to do it... for us, in the middle of the night). And there's also always a couple ice chests filled with soda (diet and regular), in spite of the vending machines being right there in the break room.
Every Friday the bakery brings in cupcakes and cakes and other pastries that are approaching their sell-by deadline for us to enjoy for free.
On holidays, Wal-mart makes sure their employees all have a hot meal. And when they order pizza or subs, they make sure there's a vegetarian option.
I don't know about the average wage at Wal-mart being $12.91. After two and a half years there, I make $9.25. But, this is OK, and the cost of living is probably a lot lower here than other places.
Wal-mart does a lot of things I find stupid, foolish, bureaucratic or downright socialist. But, they're a lot better employer than they have to be.
And they are very good for supporting local organizations. I know that for us in Boy Scouts, they matched our fundraisers, and for a work colleague in Canada, they donate the hot dogs, buns and sodas, and then match whatever they are able to raise. So I have no complaints as a neighbor. The fact that they displaced outdated and inefficient providers is merely progress. The fact that they are able to stave off unionization seems to show that they are better to their employees than a union could be to help them. That galls the left and the unions, but speaks volumes on their true motives.
"The fact that they displaced outdated and inefficient providers is merely progress."
Quick... name the companies over the past couple of years that have given Wal-mart the fiercest competition?
Dollar General, Dollar Tree, Family Dollar... you get the idea...
If Wal-mart unionizes locally, I'll beg on the streetcorner before I work for them any more. I will not be tied in to the least productive and least competent workers.
Great response by Walmart. Nothing brings out the socialists parasites like an article about Walmart, or any other successful entity. They just can't stand that capitalism does work.
When my IT consulting company was the contractual IT administration for the UFCW in Phoenix the union had office space and staff dedicated to harassing Walmart. Reason: Walmart won't unionize.
That probably did a lot to suppress any pro-union sentiments among my co-workers... or at least their open expression of said sentiments...
(I later quietly told my boss maybe he should send me home that day, cause if a union rep talked to me, he probably wouldn't survive the encounter...)
Jan
I am against unionization. Period. If there is a problem with wages or conditions, the best solution is competition from an open and non-government-controlled market. Adam Smith pointed this out centuries ago.
Then, is a self-interested person who respects individual rights bad?
Is an other-interested person who violates individual rights good?
Is left right?
It seems to me that if a union kept violating individual rights, it would soon cease to be.
That is unless the force of government got involved and it violated individual rights in favor of the union. (The way things happen today.)
From my perspective, value drives decision-making. How one makes a valuation of a particular decision is based on whether one approaches a deal or issue with a short-term or long-term view in mind (expense vs investment). If one views a particular transaction from the short-term goal of "how much money am I going to make in the next year", one can come to a very different conclusion than if one evaluates the same transaction based on a long-term "how can I maximize the life-long return of this relationship". In the case of a union boss, they are frequently concerned with the short-term, rather than the long-term view. Thus they advocate higher wages, more benefits, etc., while ignoring the fact that those higher wages et al cause higher product costs, less product consumption, and drive consumers to competitors' brands. In the short term, the wages go up, the union dues go up, and the union boss collects a windfall, but in the long term, the company automates (laying off workers), and in some cases (see United Airlines), goes into bankruptcy and voids the contracts altogether.
And let me be very clear: I do not support ANY governmental subsidization or other enabling behavior which supports unionization.
Not sure if that helped at all.
Periodically, when we meet safety goals, Wal-mart brings in pizza, or sub sandwiches, or even grills burgers and hotdogs (guess who does the grilling? Off-duty managers come in to do it... for us, in the middle of the night). And there's also always a couple ice chests filled with soda (diet and regular), in spite of the vending machines being right there in the break room.
Every Friday the bakery brings in cupcakes and cakes and other pastries that are approaching their sell-by deadline for us to enjoy for free.
On holidays, Wal-mart makes sure their employees all have a hot meal. And when they order pizza or subs, they make sure there's a vegetarian option.
I don't know about the average wage at Wal-mart being $12.91. After two and a half years there, I make $9.25. But, this is OK, and the cost of living is probably a lot lower here than other places.
Wal-mart does a lot of things I find stupid, foolish, bureaucratic or downright socialist. But, they're a lot better employer than they have to be.
Quick... name the companies over the past couple of years that have given Wal-mart the fiercest competition?
Dollar General, Dollar Tree, Family Dollar... you get the idea...
If Wal-mart unionizes locally, I'll beg on the streetcorner before I work for them any more.
I will not be tied in to the least productive and least competent workers.
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