CHE idiocy

Posted by $ AJAshinoff 11 years, 3 months ago to History
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I had a run in with a college girl carrying a Che Guevara pocketbook in a coffee shop where I was sitting to write. Because I lack some sense I asked if she knew who the man was on her pocketbook. She told me Che Guevara. I asked if she knew who he was. She told me not really but the bag looked cool. I explained that he was communist terrorist who murdered almost two hundred people to promote communism until he was killed. Her answer, "I just like the bag."

"Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it." Edmund Burke (1729-1797)

And here was are.


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  • Posted by $ rockymountainpirate 11 years, 3 months ago
    Most of those I've seen sporting Che think it's saying 'I'm so much more intellectual than you'. These are the same people who think Nelson Mandela was just a 'prisoner of conscious' and not a communist. Revisionist history is a convenient tool of indoctrination. Besides what can you expect from a culture that celebrates those who are famous for being famous because they made a sex tape rather than those who create useful things that move the world forward.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 3 months ago
    Lots of that kind of scary stupid walking around.
    Welcome to the Gulch....and I'm glad you 'lack' sense enough to give her a little bit of history...even if she didn't understand the point. I wonder if she'll ever realize that she's advertising who she is by carrying that bag around. Poetic justice.
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    • Posted by $ 11 years, 3 months ago
      Despite knowing better I can't stop myself from engaging in dialogue with these types of people. Prior to my books I wrote political commentary, hosted an online radio talk show, and managed a political discussion website. I've been an active and vocal advocate against illegal immigration here in Arizona AND I've been a loadstone around the necks of the revisionist history and science teachers my children have had and their principals. I may chastise myself about it after the fact but I still hold out hope that this country, my country, the one I gave up my liberty for, can be saved.
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      • Posted by khalling 11 years, 3 months ago
        so many things have to happen. 1st-economically. 2. philosophically. and that's hard, when the indoctrination is hitting our kids starting kindergarten from inside the education system.
        what issues have you had with your kids' science teachers, besides the fact they don't know much science?
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        • Posted by $ 11 years, 3 months ago
          If it was just that my children didn't know much about science I would be pleased.
          Its easier to list what I've seen/encountered:

          1. A school holding an impromptu general assembly MANDATED by the school district promoting the global warming theme without informing parents. If my kids did not mention it to me I would never have known it occurred. There was no opposing viewpoint or Q&A, just indoctrination.

          2. Social studies teachers are revising and manufacturing history. A year ago my daughters SS teacher decided to educate the children using copies of historical inventions by black people that changed the world. Oddly enough, she handed out the papers to the kids and collected them as the children left the classroom. My daughter remembered the title and I found it online. In two pages of accomplishments, the teachers course material claimed, among many other things. that black people invented the light bulb and invented combs. While I have no real interest who invented many of the items/gadgets I use today it does concern me that to uplift black people for black history month LIES are manufactured and taught to our kids. Surely there are true accomplisments that can be used to present the contributions of the black race?

          3. Bullying. My daughter was being harassed by a young boy in school 3-4 years ago. The school reqired that children anonymously fill out forms and place them in a bully box where they can be collected and counted. Once the bully had enough complaints the school would act. Until the school felt legally covered my daughter would have continued to be called names and ridiculed. I wrote this article chronicling the incident: http://amchron.soundenterprises.net/arti...

          4. Schools lauding mediocrity. I received a phone call from my sons match teacher a few year back telling me how well he was doing in Algrbra. I asked what his grade was and was told a "C". It would be laughable were it not so pathetic. I pulled my son out of high school (where he was generally a C student in most subjects) and enrolled him in an online high scholl for his junior and senior year. He graduated last May with a "B" average after essentially teaching himself his lessons AND guitar.

          6. Children in Arizona learn more about Mexican, Mayan, and Incan history than they do about American history.

          This is just off the top of my head. I'm sure, given a little time, I could easily think of several more incidents.
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          • Posted by khalling 11 years, 3 months ago
            I normally would agree with you on all points. For example: bully behavior is up for a vote and not determined objectively? crazy. and while I have no love for Scholastic, if this is the "sheet" on black inventors, it is well done and accurate. As well, there are several hard work stories and successes by these individuals who never attended college. I LOVE self-taught success stories. If it was something else-let me know, but here is what I found:
            http://teacher.scholastic.com/activities...
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            • Posted by $ 11 years, 3 months ago
              remarkably the "sheet" was immediately taken down when I reported the incident to the principal. The teacher was not reprimanded in any way. The inventor in question was Lewis Howard Latimer. He was a member of Thomas Edison’s “Edison’s Pioneers” team when he discovered a filament which extended the life of the light bulb. However, as portrayed by the "sheet" (and apparently endorsed as history by this history teacher), people would not be living in the dark without this invention, since lights existed –albeit less efficiently - before Latimer’s filament, and was extended to glow for an even longer duration after Latimer’s contribution was improved upon.

              As for the comb its invention dates before recorded time. No one knows who invented the comb (though many suspect China).

              I have much respect for anyone who can create something. I abhor people who manufacture facts to impress others or to make themselves look more impressive than what they are. Surely there are many accomplishments made by each and every race that junk history need not be fabricated to impress. Were I black the fallacious nature or this and the insidious way it was slipped in and collected again would really annoy me.

              great link btw - legitimate history.
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          • Posted by $ Tap2Golf 11 years, 3 months ago
            Wow. Congratulations for making it through all that with your kids. We all here generalized stories about our school systems in various states. But, you bring it to life with specific stories. It is upsetting just reading about it and I can only imagine how you felt.. You were a wonderful advocate and I hope other parents at the school appreciated what you did and join in to help you. You might think of reposting this educational side of your story under a new post. As often happens, the string developes in many different directions. Thanks for bring all this to the table.
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          • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 3 months ago
            Hey AJ... I'm in AZ and I work at a school. We're going to have GREAT talks I think. :)
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            • Posted by $ 11 years, 3 months ago
              contact me privately. Perhaps we can get together for coffee. sometime. Please, my name is Allan. AJ are my initials. :)
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              • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 3 months ago
                LOLOL you sound desperate. lol I have questions...I always have questions. (Does the private message thing not work both ways...now everybody will KNOW.) just kidding.
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                • Posted by $ 11 years, 3 months ago
                  LOL, I never thought it would be taken that way. DOH! So much for neighborly. LOL
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                  • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 3 months ago
                    Okay..you don't know me at all, sorry... we are ALL desperate to find others who think like us who can carry on an informed conversation in person. I was making a funny. :)
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                    • Posted by $ 11 years, 3 months ago
                      fair enough. I've been married 23 years and have 2 mostly grown kids, I just don't think that way anymore. It wouldn't be impossible to say something off the cuff and accidently imply. Besides , after the last election I felt like a stranger in my own land, like I'm in a bizzaro-style world where I just don't fit in.

                      The offer is still open for coffee and conversation though. :)
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                      • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 3 months ago
                        You just wrote MY bio. I've been married 23 years next month, have two sons, and a brand new grandson born last week :) I felt the same way after the election and still do. Where in AZ are you? (private message me...it's okay. lol)
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                        • Posted by $ 11 years, 3 months ago
                          At this time I'm still a moocher (I've only been here 2-3 days) so I can't PM. I may remedy that soon. I'm on the west-side of Phoenix and spend a fair amount of time in coffee houses writing.
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                          • Posted by khalling 11 years, 3 months ago
                            I was in here 3 months before I upgraded. you have all the annoying ads. what do yours say btw? lol
                            writing in coffee houses -you get an Ernest Hemingway quote
                            “The first panacea for a mismanaged nation is inflation of the currency; the second is war,” Ernest Hemingway wrote. “Both bring a temporary prosperity; both bring a permanent ruin. But both are the refuge of political and economic opportunists.”
                            Have you attended the Desert Nights Writing Conference? I went last year. Enjoyed it for the most part.
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                            • Posted by $ 11 years, 3 months ago
                              I haven't attended the Desert Nights Wiring Conference. I am the newsletter editor for the Arizona Authors Association and just learned of it through and advertisement in placed in this months newsletter. Now that I know, I may attend this year.

                              I write in coffee houses because I find it impossible to focus enough to write at home. As Hemmingway stated (paraphrased) all I need is "a clean well lit place"...I'll add a good cup of coffee, iced coffee, or iced tea (and maybe a bag of salted almonds). :)
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                              • Posted by khalling 11 years, 3 months ago
                                we have lots of writers in here. here's a couple: overmanwarrior- you should check out his blog, and walter donway (who gave David Kelley his first introduction to Rand at a campus talk), eudaimonia-political satirist poet....
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        • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 3 months ago
          I think philosophy needs to come first too...it's the foundation for everything else. (Ominous Parallels is really hammering this home for me.)
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          • Posted by khalling 11 years, 3 months ago
            in order to win a war, one must win some battles.
            A great way to illustrate our philosophy in action is to see how it applies tangibly in our lives. Turning the economy around is incredibly important to peoples' daily lives.
            Himmler line: "Tell a lie often enough.."
            Our enemies are saying the downturn is the result of capitalism. this is not even close to capitalism, but a heavily planned economy.
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            • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 3 months ago
              There are many repeated lies that need to be truthed out. A fantasy is easier to swallow than reality for too many. There's no consequences in fantasy, no chance of failure, just happily ever after. That's why I've always hated fairy tales....bliss, the end.
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        • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 11 years, 3 months ago
          Actually, that would be 1. philosophically and 2. politically (which is what I assumed you meant by 'economically'). As for the indoctrination, I will have a post about the ARI Essay Contests. We have reason to be hopeful.
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          • Posted by khalling 11 years, 3 months ago
            I was thinking of the short term when I wrote that. If I'm having trouble keeping food on the table I certainly don't have time to spend on philosophical education outside those very close to me. I understand over the long term we have to focus on a shared philosophy. I think of capitalism as an economic system vs political system, economics as a science. (well it should be treated as a science-the reality is laughable).
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            • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 11 years, 3 months ago
              Ayn Rand made the point that all work is an act of philosophy. If you are having trouble feeding yourself, then you need better philosophy. It is not an abstract luxury. Also, long ago, in some management book or other, I took the advice not to fight fires: the fires will burn themselves out right now; prevent fires by planning for the future. That is a philosophical perspective. See my posts under Philosophy and Culture. You can generate all kinds of points and comments by dissing President Obama or wringing your hands over the present state of affairs (or affairs of state). Not many people who claim to be "influenced" by Ayn Rand get past the concretes of the headline news.
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