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ORIGINALLY--
"The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; A quorum for this purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice President." -- Article II Section 1
HOWEVER… The 12th, 20th, and other Amendments made technical changes to this. For one thing, the 12th recognized the reality of political parties and removed the likelihood that the President and Vice President would be from opposing factions -- which, actually, could be a pretty good situation, if you stop to think about it…
This is the kind of arcane information that the government hides on websites:
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/char...
But I am glad you brought it to the Gulch's attention.
Me dino won't say this ain't gonna happen but I've never donated to such mailings. I'm not too keen on paying for the real estate purchases and Caribbean cruise vacations of scaremongers if not out and out scam artists.
And
Vladimir Ulyanov- Lenin said, " you will never defeat their armies, you would never get past the Hudson River. But you don't have to.
Simply take over their education and their media (newspapers).
Coonts, Stephen; LIBERTY'S LAST STAND
And a comment: either the election is rigged, or if there is a scenario requiring senate and house involvement, we will never have a duly elected president again. (Not that I believe we have had a duly elected president since JFK.)
Why do we need so many people involved?
The thinking was that it would help avoid the "Tyranny of the Majority". This along with many other things set forth by our founders was in direct response to their strong aversion to pure Democracies. That is why we were founded as a Constitutional Republic. The progressives and collectivists like to tell us every chance they can about our "Democracy"... they are wrong and deserve our derision. The Constitution never mentions Democracy but guarantees us a Republican form of government with supposed statesmen, learned enough to help the masses avoid populist movements that would undermine four founding fundamental principles.
Many still question the utility and necessity of the Electoral college.
Respectfully,
O.A.
The election went to the House of representatives to pick the winner. Since the Speaker hated Andrew Jackson, an "outsider", he picked John Quincy Adams as the President.
Keep up the good work and a great comment I'd give you a real + if I could
bin the week of the election? How does that play out? What if Hillary wins, then is arrested? What happens then? We know Obama is not honorable, so we cannot count on anything but chaos with him. Soros will stir up trouble, no matter who wins, until he does.
What does change on the 8th is the Secret Service Detail goes full bore. An arrest warrant would not be hard to serve. She's surrounded by handcuffs.
So you have one with Major votes the President one who coat tailed in on one vote, two who don't have to be of the same party Speaker and President Temporary. the translation of Pro Tempore.
Second flaw is all the Cabinet Secretaries. Not one vote in the lot unless you count nominated by Pres and confirmed. They should be dealing with their departments at at such a time.
In terms of votes, same party for balance of term, and experience of some sort Senators first, Governors second and Representatives third. If not doing the complete job per Constitution stick the VP in the Senate and the house anyway as an observer onlooker and then have him or her do time in the departments. Keep them busy learning what they need to know and keep them out of the way. Only way I see to stop a palace revolt no matter which party is in power and setting up a coup. Pelosi as President crap makes Clinton look acceptable.
(1) The Electoral College votes separately for a President and a Vice President. There is only one round of voting for each, and it takes a majority to win. (The 12th does not give a date, so Congress sets the date the vote is held.)
(2) If there is no majority for President, the new House of Representatives (seated January 3) chooses a President from among the top three electoral vote getters for President. For this vote special rules apply -- a quorum is representatives from 2/3 of the states; each state gets one vote, determined by a majority of its representatives; and it takes a majority of all the states to win.
(3) Similarly, if there is no majority for VP, the new Senate chooses a Vice President from between the top two electoral vote getters for VP. For this vote a quorum is 2/3 of the Senators, and it takes a majority of all the Senators to win.
(4) If a President is not chosen before his term must begin on January 20, or he has died or failed to qualify, the Vice President elect becomes president.
(5) The 20th Amendment grants Congress the power to determine by law what happens if a VP elect has died or failed to qualify, or if any of the persons from whom the House may choose a President or the Senate a VP have died before a vote may be taken. But Congress has never exercised these powers.
I expect what would happen in these last cases is that Congress would enact such a law and the outgoing president (or after noon 1/20, a Speaker of the House become temporary president) would sign it.
The problem comes in if the whole system is thrown into chaos and the election results for Congress is also delayed beyond January 3rd (their 'inauguration' day) and no decision is made be either house because then the House is effectively out power and about a third of the Senate is as well. Some legal scholars claim the remaining 2/3 are also lame, so even the President Pro Tempe of the Senate is also vacant. Though Cabinet members customarily resign when an administration changes, they are allowed to continue until replaced, so one of Obama's Cabinet could become Acting President unless there was a petition to the Supreme Court to make a constitutional decision.
In reality, we should be having wide-open, highly publicized contests for electors, with people (or slates) running for those offices. Instead, the electors are chosen by internal processes at the Party level.
1. If no candidate receivceives the necessary electoral votes, the House of representatives will selects the President from the top three electoral vote getters.
2. Each state get one vote.
3. Majority wins.
It is even more fluid than one thinks. The members of the electoral college are not bound by the vote of the stae. They can vote for whoever they please. (this may have been changed recently, but I can't find out if it has been). This has appened at lease once in the past. George Washington received all of the electoral votes. after that , I think Jefferson won all of the staes but an elector thought only GW should have the honor of wining all of the electors so voted for another person.
One other time there was a large portion of the electors challenged and a committee of 5 was selected to certify the electors. Three from one party, two from the other. The president so elected was termined ol' 3 to 2. They have not done anything like that since.
This info is based on the best I coujlld locate in my files qquickly so it may be wrong. Your welcome to throw rocks if ou find out I'm wrong. If you do, please publish your finding here so all may learn.
U. S. Electoral College: Frequently Asked Questions
www.archives.gov/federal-register/ele...
http://www.fairvote.org/the_electoral...
“If no candidate receives a majority of Electoral votes, the House of Representatives elects the President from the 3 Presidential candidates who received the most Electoral votes. Each state delegation has one vote. The Senate would elect the Vice President from the 2 Vice Presidential candidates with the most Electoral votes. Each Senator would cast one vote for Vice President. If the House of Representatives fails to elect a President by Inauguration Day, the Vice-President Elect serves as acting President until the deadlock is resolved in the House.”
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2016/07...
But it makes demanding a VP Candidate that is more than a vote getting clown.
In the meantime the following is a portion of and is in line with the rules of the gulch. Clinton continues to fade and Trump continues to gain Johnson is staqnant. ten look at the second part.
President
Election 2016 Clinton Trump Spread
RCP Poll Average 46.0 42.1 Clinton +3.9
4-Way RCP Average 41.3 37.9 Clinton +3.4
as compared to yesterdays which had her at one point with only 1.3
In electoral leads by 75 at present.
Trump leads in 18 States up three form yesterday
The one's showing Clinton with a +8 or so are Polls not national averages
Polls with 3 or less for Clinton 29.
There is no information on the criteria for being polled nor if the responder was citizen or not, a voter or not other than saying so . In that respect they are all skewed unless the polls are just not giving away trade secrets.
As of midnight eastern Clinton is in a slide trump is building steadily
Electoral College Clinton Trump Spread
RCP Electoral Map 229 154 Clinton +75
What I really need is the spread state by state. and the responder criteria the above are all the Real Clear people who are a compiler of all the polls I didn't count the total but it's easily over a hundred.
Still most of the polls except for a few that are blatantly slanted show much the same conclusion and most are trying to explain it away AKA spin.
Also some of the reports in other sources such as WSJ clearly state the sourc an RC seems to head the pack.
270towin has it 42 Trump 46 Clinton 12 other. 16 states for trump and 11 at five or less separation. They do have a difficult to rapidly lead state page.
CNN's latest Poll of Polls finds Hillary Clinton's lead over Donald Trump has been cut in half, with her post-convention bump wilting in the late-summer heat.
Clinton holds an average of 42% support to Trump's 37% across five nationwide telephone polls conducted between August 9 and 30.
Reuters IPSOS
Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump has pulled into an effective tie with Democratic rival Hillary Clinton, erasing a substantial deficit as he consolidated support among his party’s \likely voters in recent weeks, according to the latest Reuters/Ipsos national tracking poll released Friday.
The poll showed 40 percent of likely voters supporting Trump and 39 percent backing Clinton for the week of Aug. 26 to Sept. 1. Clinton's support has dropped steadily in the weekly tracking poll since Aug. 25, eliminating what had been a eight-point lead for her.
That should give you a start point and some explanations it's all in what they can do in the 8 1/2 weeks for sure two things will happen.
You TV Addicts will get your channels back is one.
Until then it's Snowflake the Shrinking Violet vs Wonder (what he's going to pull next! )