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Red News/Blue News: Islamophobia and the media

Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 6 months ago to Culture
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Why don't moderate Muslims speak up against terrorist groups? Well, turns out they do. But Fox News and other conservative outlets just like to ignore moderate Muslims and sweep their voices under the rug so they don't get heard, and then use that artificially constructed "silence" to perpetrate the myth moderate Muslims aren't saying anything, when the reality is that conservative groups are just refusing to listen.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 6 months ago

    Zooty Jasser made his reputation first with local ClearChannel Radio hosts like Bill Mick in Melbourne, FL, then with Sean Hannity and Mark Levin on the national level on radio, and ultimately will Hannity on TV. Zooty Jasser is the exceptional Muslim moderate who is willing to take on the terrorist groups.
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  • Posted by Lucky 10 years, 6 months ago
    The so-called moderate Muslims who are against terrorism may deserve our compassion.
    They are however, not Muslims, unless undercover agents. Terror and violence is an essential part of the teaching, against the non-believer, the neutral, the apostate, the sexually deviant, the blasphemer, and so on are permitted at the core. correction, I wrote 'permitted, it should be 'authorized' or better 'commanded'.
    The religion of Islam requires submission. That idea and the practice of it is an abomination in the true meaning of the word. The so-called moderates may condemn terror but in the same breath continue to justify it with the usual criticisms of their current antagonists - who are just about everyone else. The so-called moderates want you and all to submit.
    Give them compassion, but they have no credibility.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 6 months ago
    It seems like Islam needs a Pope or Caliph to speak for it. Then people would at least have one source to go to.

    I try not to be, but I'm sometimes religion-phobic too. Whenever people start down the path of faith, it seems like it can go anywhere. The Judeo/Christian/Muslim religions seems similar to me, but the devout members of each hate the others.
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    • Posted by UncommonSense 10 years, 6 months ago
      Islam is a combination of the bastardization of Judaism, Christianity and Zoroastrianism. The only thing that distinguishes islam from the others is that to manifest it, you must kill or be killed.

      Q 9.111 "Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth because the Garden will be theirs: they shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain. It is a promise which is binding on Him".

      Q 2:216 "Jihad (holy fighting in Allah's Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims), even if you dislike it".

      Q 8.12 "Smite infidels on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes."

      Q 47:4 "Smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding them".

      Those are from a good site ~ from former muzzies themselves: http://www.islam-watch.org/ayeshaahmed/G...

      I'm a Christian. No, I don't hate the muzzies. I feel very sad for them. They are deceived and lied to. And yes, I pray for them to have the courage to LEAVE islam. You do know what the penalty is for leaving islam, don't you?

      What's the penalty for leaving Christianity? Nothing. Except what happens after you die and you answer to JC for your choices. That's between you and Him. But yet, Christianity is always getting beat up while islam gets a pass. That's Sharia Law compliance.

      How many times do you get tired of hearing the often used excuse for islamic violence. 'Well their practicing an extreme form of islam...' or one of my faves, 'Violence isn't endorsed by islam.'

      Everyone has faith in something. The communists and their numerous fronts (Envirnomentalism for one) has faith in Global Warming/Cooling/Climate Change & the poisonous effects of CO2 & how they have the utopian solution. If only we submit (sound familiar?) to their false ideology and have FAITH in it.

      (Blech) Regarding your first sentence: that's what scares me: the muzzies are anxiously awaiting for the 12th Immam to arrive. Be careful what you wish for.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 6 months ago
        It's interesting that when non-pluralistic faithful people want to condemn something, i.e. another religion or scientific observations, they criticize them for taking the religion or scientific models "on faith." I do not understand faith, but it seems innocuous when it comes with pluralism. When they start name calling and condemning other religions and atheists, it's dangerous.
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      • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 6 months ago
        "That's between you and Him"

        THIS is the key to what makes Christianity different from Islam and most religions, and what makes it compatible with individual liberty and objectivism. And it's a product of the Reformation, IMO.

        The idea that, to steal a line from "Kennth Branaugh's Henry V":

        "each man's duty is to his king, but each man's soul's his own".

        The idea that "if you don't believe, you're going to hell" is significantly different from "if you don't believe, *I'm* going to hell". This is part of the teaching of Islam, and, significantly, it's part of the background of "liberation theology", or the form of collectivist Christianity Obama allegedly believes. He's already asserted that for his soul to be saved, everyone's soul has to be saved. Which is fully compatible with Islam, but not compatible with post-Reformation Christianity.

        If I truly believe in my religion, and if it dictates that I can't be saved unless you're saved too, I have one hell of an incentive to coerce you into believing and thereby being saved. Even at the point of a gun.
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    • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 6 months ago
      Why would you say that followers of one religion "hate" the others? That's a generalization of the worst sort.

      There's nothing doctrinal to either Christianity or Judaism that would call for hatred of another religion. I don't know about Judaism, but Christianity (at least Catholicism) calls for evangelization, but conversion is up to the individual. I don't know that Judaism has a concept like evangelization, but they certainly don't advocate murdering any who do not convert.

      Islam, on the other hand, does advocate killing those who refuse to convert. Whether that is out of hatred or not, I don't know.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 6 months ago
        I have no many religious people who are pluralistic and not hateful at all. My atheist bias says believing what you know ain't so opens the door to turning you into the belching caricature that UncommonSense paints. I think he's intentionally making a parody of how disgusting people can be in the name of religion, but the people he's parodying really do exist. They have some problem in life in their own country or maybe their parents move to a new country, and they're caught between the new country and the little enclave of the old country their parents have carved out. They're open to a message that gives them a place by explaining the *true* meaning of their religion, i.e. kill people who don't convert. It doesn't matter the religion; they all have them. My first reaction is that people ought to abandon faith b/c they're arguing over nothing. The better answer though to is for moderate religious people to help these troubled people before they come radicalized.
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    • Posted by $ 10 years, 6 months ago
      Other people here have made the claim that moderate Muslims never speak out against terrorism. I'm simply providing evidence to counter that claim.
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      • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 6 months ago
        Sorry, Maph. I misread what you wrote.
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        • Posted by UncommonSense 10 years, 6 months ago
          Maph is referring to me. Jasser, IMO, is engaging in civilization jihad ~ the long campaign to wear down the host society to prepare them for the more violent ways islam inculcates itself into eventual domination and ultimately, destroys the host society. A 1400 year winning streak is hard to ignore.

          I'd challenge Jasser himself (I'm not kidding) to show me in The Reliance Of The Traveller (THE authoritative book on Sharia Law) WHERE the "moderate" verses are neatly segregated from the more "extreme" ones AND are officially endorsed by Mohammed that muzzies are allowed to follow, instead of what Mohammed commands them to do. I have yet to have one moderate to do just that.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 6 months ago
    Bullshit.
    Out of 1.1 billion Moslems, at most 300 million are "radical". The other 800 million could step on them if they chose to. They don't choose to.

    I don't know of anyone who says *no* "moderate" Moslem *ever* spoke out against Islamic terrorism. But, the majority is indeed silent. Where are the Moslem armies fighting off the terrorists? How come it took our allies years... well in fact, our Moslem allies didn't tell us where bin Laden was.

    "Moderate" Moslems are simply those keeping a low profile until the "radicals" have won enough ground for them to feel confident that they can back Islamic domination of the globe, publicly.
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    • Posted by 10 years, 6 months ago
      Define "step on them."

      Also, you sound like you didn't watch the video. You ask why our Muslim allies didn't help us find Bin Laden, but what makes you think they didn't? Do you seriously think no Muslims were involved in the manhunt at all? Come on...
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      • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 6 months ago
        Wait, you're going to forgive all of Pakistan because Bob the Pakistani might have helped us find bin Laden, in the end.. even when his motivation might have been anything from greed to resentment, and not necessarily opposition to the radical elements represented by Al Qaida et al?

        If 75 to 85% of Moslems are "moderate", then it shouldn't have taken years to find bin Laden hiding right there in Pakistan where our alleged allies were allegedly in control. That means 3 in 4 Moslems should have been "outing" bin Laden as soon as he got to Pakistan.
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