What are American Values?
What are American Values? Can you name them? See Article.link below
Are you convinced that there are no values; only opinions and differing narratives? Is your reality determined by objective facts or by the subjective view of your group?
Do you think we should teach these values?
Are you convinced that there are no values; only opinions and differing narratives? Is your reality determined by objective facts or by the subjective view of your group?
Do you think we should teach these values?
Where the hell do you get that a link is religious in nature? The article does not talk about the principle of freedom needing a higher authority. That is a straw man argument. An argument that can be proved to be true but is not the argument proposed.
Nor is a higher authority necessarily religious or in any way associated with religion. For instance the supreme court is a higher authority than the lower courts. What religion is that associated with? Nature and reality is a higher authority than subjective fantasies.
How about you go back to school and learn about logical thinking and try not to blow up on trigger words.
for anyone clicking through to the link, one of the first things you see is that "american values" are rooted in the Judeo/Christion religion. Objectivists reject religion, so they would never say virtues are derived from a "higher authority" or a religious doctrine. I am not taking "transcendent" out of context from the article you linked to. and I will take your advice to "go back to school" under advisement
It does not say RELIGION. Is anyone here awake? Does anyone here not have a closed mind? Objectivism is your religion if you can only muster a rejection of anything associated with a Religion. Transcendent does not mean a religion related GOD. Unless you make it so in your mind.
I guess there is no point discussion in the Gulch. You are Objectivist collectivists that can't think outside of your own group think. Ayn is rolling over in her grave. Do you think that she would say that she is all knowing and you need to follow her thoughts or that there is no other way of thinking that is also legitimate?
Of course we still are not having a discusiion about the article just about your own values and how they reject other values. You too are of the crowd that sees reality through subjective images formed in your mind. The main principle of Objectivism is to face reality and not hide in your own world, even if that world is Objectivist. .
We are just having a discussion. I read through the link. I disagree on many points. That is NOT collectivist, that is my own personal opinion. I shared it with you. You get angry kinda quick. You can take your own temperature of the site and see that we have many religionist producers. Lively discussion is what this is all about!
In that respect....because, as you say, 50% of Americans have been schooled in a system contrary to free enterprise and independence, is all the more reason to codify a value system that promotes individual rights and responsibilities.
Firstly there needs to be in agreement that values are necessary. The reason is that we are not born with internal programming of what is good or bad and the only way we get those is through outside standards. If the standards are in conflict with individual rights and responsibilities or if standards themselves are demeaned we get chaos, crime, hatred and corruption.
Do we agree that some sort of standard is necessary, and then we can proceed to what standards are best to achieve the results we are looking for in people and society?
This is false. I enjoy many of the Gulch members who are religious. Pointing out a tenet of Objectivism is hardly "running scared." There are many posts on point in this forum explicitly laying out the virtues and values (though not all inclusive) of Objectivism. I agree with some of your points, but my whole point in commenting was to show where I disagreed. I urge you to read The Virtue of Selfishness. By all means, if you reject some or all of Objectivism, enjoy your time here, but you will encounter push back. Also, you are snarky to the person who has the most points on the board. I'd think about that a little. I am all benevolent here.
So if you want to discuss, then please stop and get religion, or whatever impression exists in your mind as to what constitutes religion out of your mind, because it is not about that. Otherwise we are stuck on the wall inside your mind.
(For the background on how she came to write this little-known article, see https://fee.org/articles/textbook-of-... ). Today “diversity” and “inclusiveness” would probably be promoted by many as “American values.” There are simply too many viewpoints (some contradictory to each other) to make it worthwhile to tie a specific set of values to a national entity.
Thank you.