Is it in the genes?
Is it possible that philosophical thought can influenced by genetics? Are some predisposed to want to submit to the collective as a survival technique? I can't think of another explaination at the moment. Is this failing genetic experiment about to fail once and for all.
Humans are social animals, which means we perform better by cooperating with others, both of our species and other social animals. The exceptions to this instinctive preference are called sociopaths, who lack a sense of belonging or empathy. For those (thankfully!) rare individuals, other living creatures are merely objects to be exploited for the benefit of themselves. Sociopaths may be physically destructive, like serial killers who regard the agonies of their victims as entertainment, or they may be socially destructive, joining social structures simply for the pleasure of destroying them.
Other than the sociopaths, there do seem to be instinctive stratifications of behavior among humans. Some are less fearful of change, exhibiting more individualistic attitudes, while others are drawn to seek stability and security. There are "alphas" among both of these groups, who tend to gather followers, though the leaders who promise stability seem to end up with a larger following, which might indicate the change-seekers are a smaller population.
That the risk-takers make up a smaller portion of the human population shouldn't be a surprise, since increased risk results in earlier and more frequent mortality. Does this mean that we are destined to become herd animals, devoid of the risk takers?
My opinion is that risk-taking is a necessary genetic component for species survival. Otherwise we would have faced destructive famine, disease, and massive impact from natural events. I also think that the percentage of risk takers remains small, because too many individuals with looser ties to the community would destroy the social bonds that make us a (so far) successful species.
Long-winded response, but I think it indicates that Objectivists will always find themselves in the minority. I don't consider that a bad thing, as there's a fine line between risk-taking as productive, and risk-taking as destructive.
i was an instructor pilot in the Air Force, then American Airlines...40 years experience...
i also teach students how to trade the stock market...
...and i am left-handed, but was taught to bat right-handed and golf right-handed...while i throw left-handed...
do i think better due to an genetic disposition...let me say what i have learned...
i can show a stock chart to 100 potential traders...and the outcome looks very similar to a bell curve regression analysis...in short...the middle can learn to trade successfully if they develop a trading plan and have the discipline to follow it...the bottom 5% cannot seem to recognize patterns and trade successfully...the top 5% get it right away and are successful most of the time...they "see" the trades immediately...i have questioned them as to what or how they "see" it and they cannot tell me...it just makes sense to them...(i am not one of the top 5%, but have the discipline to follow a checklist - hence why i survived 40 years of cheating death as my takeoffs still equal my landings)...
i also choose to be a pilot due to my desire to fly and my left-handedness...it is a right-handed world and we lefties live shorter lives...on average 5-7 years less...a captain flies from the left seat and the throttles are in the center of the cockpit and the yoke is handled by the left hand by the captain and the other yoke on the right side is handled by the right hand by the co-pilot...i definitely flew better in the left seat, but was competent from the right seat as well...possibly from being taught to bat and golf right-handed???...
in the military there were two primary training jets...the T-37 and the T-38...
the T-37 is a side-by-side...with the student in the left seat and the instructor in the right...
the T-38 is a front/back dual cockpit with the throttles on the left side and the yoke in the center...so you ended up flying with your right hand...front or back...
as a student you spend 6 months in the T-37, followed by 6 months in the T-38...if you mastered both airplanes you moved on to fighters, cargo, bombers, or whatever...
out of a class of 72, i finished the T-37 at the top of the class...i fell to 12th at the end of the T-38 phase of training...
in time, i learned to fly extremely well from either seat in the military or civilian aircraft...and so far i have avoided the right-handed world bias and stay alive...
i like the nurture vs nature side of the argument, but have learned how to apply myself to any and all situations in the classroom and how to walk without drooling...i have always been perplexed with talking with others who just do not "see" the futility of the "god"argument...why do i "get it" right away and it makes perfect sense to me...and others cannot ...???
You might say that each of us has that same potential "to be" or "not to be", baring any severe physiological abnormalities. Genetic predispositions or possibilities are not a precursor for behavior or ideological disposition. I once ask that question, (in my book) "is it genetic", but after much research and personal observations, all but the worst of cases are able to overcome and gain a conscience and become a value producing or creating, even if its a learned experience, (brain only). It would seem that choice to do so is the main driver of this process. Even bicameral man had the ability to choose. Awareness is always Key.
Even prior to progressiveism, there was a stark difference in cultural behavior across the world. Even in today's world there are cultures that have yet to ascent into conscious awareness and self inspection of the individuals behavior. They are simply not aware that there are other choices.
Our forefathers witnessed that ascension with the aid of civilization, language, education and the shear will of individuals that came from primitive cultures.
I'd pray for her soul, but who'd listen? I'm an atheist.
Somebody marked you down. I thought that doing so was grossly unfair. I compensated.
For the benefit of the others, I would like to point out that the most important benefits from reason are the consequences of the fact that in every action we have a choice.
Anybody who has worked on development of new or improved products knows that the innovations involved require choices based on only limited ability to forecast outcomes for those choices. Every one of those decisions represents a risk taken.
To put it in another way, the main benefits of reason come from ability to minimize the risks within a world of omnipresent uncertainty and total inability to control all the variables active in any given choice situation.
I do think that cognitive ability of any given individual has a genetic component at its root. The history proves, without a doubt it seems to me, that great minds existed from the earliest recorded time, and most probably before. On the other hand, study any "dynasty" of an originator with a great mind and you will see that a great mind is not truly inheritable.
To choose death, I think, is a fundamental individual right. The social order which prohibits it is not fully reason based.
I ended up more verbose than I intended. One thought followed another.
Have a great day.
Sincerely,
Maritimus
"To choose death, I think, is a fundamental individual right. The social order which prohibits it is not fully reason based." Agreed.
"The main benefits of reason come from ability to minimize the risks within a world of omnipresent uncertainty."
I think that is one benefit. But we have actual knowledge also. For instance, I can exactly define how much weight a boat can carry.
Have you ever read "Where Mathematics Came From?" Lots of fun.
P.S. Marking down, by definition, does not bother me also. But unfairness does.
Best.
Maritimus
"Evolutionary psychology is a theoretical approach to psychology that attempts to explain useful mental and psychological traitsâsuch as memory, perception, or languageâas adaptations, i.e., as the functional products of natural selection." ~ https://www.sciencedaily.com/terms/ev...
Be clear that I am no fan of the paradigm of evolutionary psychology but am in seeing value in the researchers gathering of data. Seems you find the correlation of data is being done thru philosophical guided correlations influenced by evolved genetics. The challenge is finding the system of organizing behaviors with the most pragmatic value to our battle against PSED (Pain, Suffering, and Early Death.)
People can be conditioned to become lazy. When hard work is continually punished and demonized, Laziness and lawlessness are continually rewarded, society in general will follow the same path of water and money. the path of least resistance.
I forget where I hear this quote, but it seem to be almost a law of behavior.
"When the pain of change is less than the pain of maintaining the status quo, you will change."
Seems people are pain/pleasure driven in almost all cases. When you get hungry enough you will work in some way or another, but as long as government continues to promote benefits for the lazy and unproductive, this problem will continue to get worse. Productive people are quickly quitting and just going on public assistance, I estimate just because this is their way of "going on strike" and getting back some of what was taken from them by force in the first place.
I think is not I know. Those five words describe the part of the difference between subjectivism and objectivism. The results of following the Second Law. One never sees fudge words.
"Could genetics be resonsible for influencing philosophical thought?"
A: I don't know have any studies been done on the subject? You don't know? Easy let's do a Google takes about five seconds
Do Genes Influence Personality? | Psychology Today
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Do your genes determine your entire life? | Julian Baggini | Science ...
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Mar 19, 2015 - But isn't all that thinking things over irrelevant if our final decision ... And doesn't the whole edifice of personal responsibility collapse if ... Genes would help us uncover the secrets of all kinds of ills, from the psychological to the physical. ..... of free will by Joseph L Price (a scientist, not a philosopher) as âthe ...
Character traits determined genetically? Genes may hold the key to a ...
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May 16, 2012 - Genes play a greater role in forming character traits -- such as self-control, decision making or sociability -- than was previously thought, new research suggests. ... say that genetically influenced characteristics could well be the key to ... the genetic influence was strongest on a person's sense of self-control.
Notice most of these follow the line of my second paragraph. On reflection I'll stick with the reason in paragraph one. It's as good as any other - so far.
Meaning liike Ayn Rand and Evolution I put it on the shelf. My time iis prioritized. But some other objectivist may wish to pursue the nature of potty training.
At present the answer to the question as posed is Yes. As me Mum used to say 'All things are possible in this best of all possible worlds.'
TK has articulated a subject of interest.
Explained why and stated his current limitation. Sound beginning. Myself i would look to see the results of the failing genetic experiment if knew where to look. Since google couldn't help we're going to need a more definitive connection to continue.
Until then neither explanation can be evaluated much less accepted.
What would be wrong IMHO would be telling my kids, or anyone, I made a lot of sacrifices for you. I was just doing what I wanted. Unless you willingly made a contract or agreement with me of some sorts, no one is in my debt, and I'm not in their debt.
Examples can be seen with business association with politicians and government only to be used as a scape goat or just rat on them to save face.
The fact is that all humans are not born equal and continued support of them only makes it worse for those that have the abilities to reason. Either someone that can and will reason has to support them or the gov't has to, by stealing from the rest of us.
But the altruists, the religionists, and the subjectivist amongst us will continue to say, 'Oh, for the children.'
I would say that genes have little to do with it other than producing protein for biochemistry of the body. The rest is just luck of being there when some good idea or discovery comes along.
Collectively it takes centuries and millions of humans to have enough discovery just to learn to feed everyone enough for survival of enough people to keep off extinction. Probably trillions of discoveries had to be made just to get to today with billions of humans surviving fairly easily.
The only apparent gene driven collectivism is the social animal from evolutionary actions.
Indirectly, yes. The degree of one's reasoning ability is influenced by one's genetics, and a person with greater reasoning ability is more likely to choose a sound philosophy and less likely to fall for the arguments of those touting inferior or evil philosophies.
Our beliefs vary. Only one is a lib and only one (another) returned to being a Catholic.
If it is not, there is no point in discussing anything.
If it is, it is silly to attribute one's knowledge to
genetics, or to claim "inborn ideas" or anything of
that sort. Leonard Peikoff deals clearly with the
idea of "polylogism" in his book The Ominous
Parellels.
Genetics--the "selfish gene"--is the blueprint for the physical body, the hardware of life. It includes what metaphorically is the human computer's operating systemâa brain with the capacity to absorb and integrate received sensory input. The inputâthe memes, the matrix of energy that constitutes a beingâs received impressions, sensory data, experiental awarenessâfrom day 1 of its life goes to build a beingâs knowledge base, value appraisal, even personality.
The genes only determine how the machinery receives and processes the data. The genes alone cannot, however, affect the way the environment influences the mental, psychological and psycho-epistemological development of an individual. That is in the purview of the memes. Memes have a gravitational force of their own as to which ideas and values are most self-assertive and take control over an individual's mind. They may even try to subvert an individualâs power of Reason.
Whether an individual becomes independent or desirous of communal homogeneity depends on which memes gain ascendancy from parents, teachers and received knowledge. It is said that by age 5 a child has learned everything it will ever need for societal coexistence. The parents will instill obedience, getting along, cooperating, doing what others wantâall the social graces that require an individual to suppress ego, whims, instant gratification, even self-serving desires, as a trade-off for survival. So itâs the memes, not the genes, that build philosophical thought.
And it takes volitional consciousnessâReason and objectivityâto choose and internalize rational values that will eliminate emotional conflicts and contradictions, since memes operate on the emotional side of the human psyche to maintain their control. The problem is that not everyone can turn on their volition with the practiced ease of an Ayn Rand. We could say that volitionâfree willâis a special kind of meme, a âmeta-memeâ, that can be turned on by the example, guidance and inspiration of those who have it.
What the genes provide is an âappâ for perceiving reality. Beyond that it takes human software--a process of critical thought, abstract reasoning--to validate the hodgepodge of received impressions and competing values. And some memes, like religious beliefs, have an iron-clad defense against being deleted or modified. They are well compared to viruses, which are invaders, not protectors, of the system.