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Pelosi Claims Government Created the iPhone, Not Steve Jobs or Apple

Posted by $ Your_Name_Goes_Here 8 years, 5 months ago to Government
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To quote our Dear Leader, "If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen."

And that sums up the mindset of those who want to control our lives. They know better. Or something.
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  • Posted by ProfChuck 8 years, 5 months ago
    It is said that a camel looks like a horse that was designed by a committee. If the government was in charge of cell phones we would still be using the old Motorola brick and paying over $3,000 for the privilege. This is a classic example of how liberals have a complete lack of understanding of how economics works. People like Pelosi think money is a form of magic that responds to incantations and chants. My dog has a better understanding of how his food gets into cans than liberals have of why money works.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 8 years, 5 months ago
    The truth is that Pelosi is really not Pelosi; she is a result of multiple combinations of various elements and compounds, many of them, like high fructose corn syrup, created by evil and greedy companies and insufficiently regulated by the government. In fact, her entire existence is a result of a missed abortion.
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  • Posted by tdechaine 8 years, 5 months ago
    These posts are too mild.
    Pelosi (and Obama - and Hillary) are pure evil for saying such things. Their attacks on Capitalism are soooo un-American.
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    • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 5 months ago
      Sometimes I refer to Princess Pelosi as the Wicked Witch of the West and Hitlery as the Wicked Witch of the East.
      This is a rare time that I get to do both at the same time.
      Three or four days ago I referred to some of Hitlery's help as "flying monkeys."
      Must admit to my making light of what I truly regard as a war between good and evil (or freedom vs enslavement).
      But then again maybe a mental picture is worth a thousand words.
      May the light side of the Force be with you.
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  • Posted by mminnick 8 years, 5 months ago
    This is like Al Gore and the invention of the internet. You ever notice how it is the government that does things not the individuals or companies producing the products?Also goes to Obama's statement "You didn't build that business/company...."

    It has to be the government or some such group that invents it can't possibly be the creative genius of aan individual that see just the right way to combine things to make a newer better thing.Creating music, art a story or novel. the ideas are there but the genius of combining them in just the right way, that take an individual driven to create. It is the individuals drive to create that sparks the world.
    [My apologies for lifting some much so poorly from The Fountainhead}
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 5 months ago
      Gore's greatest achievement too! The Porn Industry gave him a man of the year award for inventing the net. Can't think of much else he's noted for besides shutting down traffic during Friday rush hour in Seattle.
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 8 years, 5 months ago
    Hello YNGH,
    By her logic, since she believes in anthropogenic climate change, she must find government responsible for it too. Wait... she is constantly spewing hot air... :)
    Respectfully,
    O.A.
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  • Posted by mccannon01 8 years, 5 months ago
    As the Nation slides leftward, it is imperative for contemporary government officials to convince the ignorant masses that the government is the source of invention and improvement. It'll make nationalization of companies like Apple much easier to pull off. Of course, government officials like Pelosilly will then be in charge of how all that wealth gets spread - and will require massive compensation for their efforts, all for the greater good, of course.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 5 months ago
    This argument is "I'm standing on the shoulders of giants". It is not one bit different than saying what Apple did couldn't happen without the transistor, the radio or VOIP.
    Government investment is supportive, but generally not required. Almost no technology breakthroughs come from government investment.
    Someone really wants to argue that the government investment is affordable and owed? What is the specific value provided by the government over the development period divided by the corporate tax in $. Then compare the technology in the product divided by the development cost really paid. Not even same order of magnitude. Government contribution is 1) small, and 2) horribly inefficient.
    My response to this is that government is wasteful and unaccountable to anyone, and don't tell me the taxpayers. The taxpayers can not be expected to follow this monumental convoluted money trail individually.
    Pure, misleading, thieving, totalitarian evil to make such statements. Not one bit different than Lenin and Stalin.

    This is the kind of thing Trump and Johnson need to latch on to as the evil perpetrated by the Hildebeast, Pelosi and Warren. Evil, lying unaccountable. "Don't tell us about the wealthy corporations fleecing the workers. You are the "special people", distorting blind justice, and getting rich and powerful off the taxpayers. You are Lenin. You are Stalin."
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  • Posted by blackswan 8 years, 5 months ago
    Given what they're saying, there should be an abundance of Iphones and other devices, because everyone had access to the same information and infrastructure that Steve Jobs did. Why is there only ONE Iphone, not hundreds or thousands?!? These schmucks can't connect the obvious dots. If others did it, why do we have recessions and depressions? Why are there only about 5 million patents? Why isn't everything just exploding? They can "explain away" the successful, but they can't do the same for the losers? Why's that?
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 5 months ago
      You would have to ascertain the voting habits or at least philosophical beliefs of the five million versus the losers. If it's embarrassment the old Potomac Pelosi Two Step takes over. Since she is an embarrassment no one sees anything out of the ordinary.
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  • Posted by BrettScott 8 years, 5 months ago
    To be fair, here's the entire quote:
    If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 5 months ago
    Engineers working for Apple who followed Jobs instructions ---make this for me.

    iPhone/Inventors/

    Charles J. Pisula
    Chris Blumenberg
    Wayne C. Westerman
    Henri C. Lamiraux
    Paul D. Marcos
    Marcel van Os
    Steve Jobs
    Nitin K. Ganatra
    Richard Williamson
    Stephen O. Lemay
    Andre M.J. Boule
    Kenneth Kocienda
    Francisco Ryan Tolmasky
    Freddy Allen Anzures
    Scott Herz
    Virgil Scott King
    Greg Christie
    Jeffrey Bush
    Jeremy A. Wyld
    Scott Forstall
    Bas Ording
    Patrick Lee Coffman
    Michael Matas
    Gregory Novick
    Imran Chaudhri
    Search Results
    Who Invented The iPhone? - Inventors - About.com
    inventors.about.com › ... › Famous Invention History - I
    It was Apple co-founder, Steve Jobs who directed Apple's engineers to develop a touch screen, mobile phone. Jobs at first was considering an Apple tablet computer, that desire eventually manifested in the iPad, and Apple had already produced a palm device with a touch screen, the Newton MessagePad.
    iPhone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Notice first the name Stupid or Pelosillyni is nowhere on the list.

    It's like cell phones

    Martin Cooper (inventor) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_...
    Jump to Cellular Business Systems - Inventing the handheld cellular Mobile phone. Making world's first handheld cellular mobile phone call. Martin "Marty" Cooper (born December 26, 1928) is an American engineer. He is a pioneer and visionary in the wireless communications industry. Nope doesn't come close to spelling Nancy Stupid.

    Let's try one more....

    Brief History of the Internet

    Barry M. Leiner, Vinton G. Cerf, David D. Clark, Robert E. Kahn, Leonard Kleinrock, Daniel C. Lynch, Jon Postel, Larry G. Roberts, Stephen Wolff

    Origins of the Internet
    The Initial Internetting
    Concepts Proving the Ideas
    Transition to Widespread Infrastructure
    The Role of Documentation
    Formation of the Broad Community
    Commercialization of the Technology
    History of the Future
    Footnotes
    Timeline
    References
    Authors

    Introduction

    The Internet has revolutionized the computer and communications world like nothing before. The invention of the telegraph, telephone, radio, and computer set the stage for this unprecedented integration of capabilities. The Internet is at once a world-wide broadcasting capability, a mechanism for information dissemination, and a medium for collaboration and interaction between individuals and their computers without regard for geographic location. The Internet represents one of the most successful examples of the benefits of sustained investment and commitment to research and development of information infrastructure. Beginning with the early research in packet switching, the government, industry and academia have been partners in evolving and deploying this exciting new technology. Today, terms like "bleiner@computer.org" and "http://www.acm.org" trip lightly off the tongue of the random person on the street. 1

    This is intended to be a brief, necessarily cursory and incomplete history. Much material currently exists about the Internet, covering history, technology, and usage. A trip to almost any bookstore will find shelves of material written about the Internet. 2

    In this paper,3 several of us involved in the development and evolution of the Internet share our views of its origins and history. This history revolves around four distinct aspects. There is the technological evolution that began with early research on packet switching and the ARPANET (and related technologies), and where current research continues to expand the horizons of the infrastructure along several dimensions, such as scale, performance, and higher-level functionality. There is the operations and management aspect of a global and complex operational infrastructure. There is the social aspect, which resulted in a broad community of Internauts working together to create and evolve the technology. And there is the commercialization aspect, resulting in an extremely effective transition of research results into a broadly deployed and available information infrastructure.

    The Internet today is a widespread information infrastructure, the initial prototype of what is often called the National (or Global or Galactic) Information Infrastructure. Its history is complex and involves many aspects - technological, organizational, and community. And its influence reaches not only to the technical fields of computer communications but
    In late 1966 Roberts went to DARPA to develop the com.... see internet society.org

    If Pelosi had guessed internet she would still have been wrong it was a consulting lab working for ARPA and that's as close to a government connection as one could get.

    As late as 1984 the government hadn't figured out with the new computer technology one didn't have to imitate form s made for type writers.....

    One of the wonderful things Comrade Nancy is the net will giver you the correct answers you airhead you.
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  • Posted by ChuckyBob 8 years, 5 months ago
    First off, I used to live in the People's Republic of California and got so sick and tired of Pelosi and her type that I left. That being said, every good lie needs to have an element of truth to make it believable. The integrated circuit development was motivated by the space program. So, since almost all electronics use I.C.s nowadays, there is an element of truth. However, I think she blows it out of proportion.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 8 years, 5 months ago
    Several errors need to be identified. It was not an AAAS story, but from the Association of American Universities. See this write-up from CNet "Tech Culture." http://www.cnet.com/news/steve-jobs-d...

    That article provides a link to this infographic which substantiates the basic claim that government-funded research is important to technologic progress:
    http://www.aau.edu/research/smartphon...

    The fundamental thesis was annunciated by Vannevar Bush, head of the U.S. Office of Scientific Research and Development: fund everything because you never know what will pay back critical returns.

    As for Al Gore and the Internet, it is true that Al Gore, Sr., was a proponent of the federal highway system. Thus, Al Gore, Jr., saw the first computer networks as the foundation for an "information superhighway." His science advisor, Dr. Michael Nelson, became the White House Science advisor in the Clinton Administration. Sen. Gore, Jr., introduced his legislation three times across three sessions before the collective of Congress understood what he was proposing. I have a rather large file scanned from an article that I wrote for Telecomputing magazine in 1991 that tells the story.

    All of that was a consequence of "the wizard war." World War II was fought with rockets, computers, and atomic bombs. What is missing from Sen. Pelosi's narrative is the essential element of individual initiative in a free society. The Germans and Russians also poured tons of money into scientific research. The Russians had to let their chief aircraft designer out of prison. in 1938, Stalin had the entire profession arrested on suspicion of disloyalty. The failure the German atomic bomb project is a paradigm.

    As for email, Shiva Ayyandurai was 14 years old and living in India when he created an interoffice system with Inbox, Outbox, folders, etc., (http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/m...) However, that only underscores the fact that a free society is essential to technical progress. Ayyandurai emigrated to America with his parents, attended MIT, and then returned to India to take up that same kind of basic funding. It did not go well.
    "In 2009, Ayyadurai was hired by India's Council of Scientific and Industrial Research, India's largest science agency, by its director general, Samir K. Brahmachari. CSIR was mandated to create a new company, CSIR Tech, that would establish businesses using the research conducted by country's many publicly owned laboratories. Ayyadurai reported that he had spent months trying to create a business plan for CSIR Tech, but received no response from Brahmachari. Ayyadurai then distributed a draft plan, which was not authorized by CSIR, to the agency's scientists that requested feedback and criticized management. His job offer was subsequently withdrawn five months after the position was offered." -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiva_A...
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    Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 5 months ago
    I disagree with Pelosi's comments and support the quotes from President Obama and Sen Warren. The fact that they're still trying to twist his words form years ago is a testament to how little his critics have for material.

    Regarding Pelosi's comments, good ideas are everywhere. All the value is in commercializing them. As for the funding the research that will lead to new technologies, "lean" business is the rage now, BUT that does not mean the only way to invest in long-term technologies is by taking our money by force. Thinks about that way of saying what Pelosi said. She's holding up her phone and saying no investors would have voluntarily invested MEMS, battery chemistry, photolithographic IC etching. We had to take your money, she says, and in the end you're glad they did. It's absurd.
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    • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 5 months ago
      You support the quotes from President Obama that "you didn't build that"?
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        Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 5 months ago
        "if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor"
        That one blows my mind too. People say they truly interpreted his words to mean we could provide healthcare for millions of people, mostly one's ineligible for insurance because they're already sick or are at high risk, and it wouldn't cost anything. I'm pretty sure half of the indignation is false, and maybe half of the people really think gov't can't pass a law and make goods and services appear without work like magic. The foolishiness of it is mind-blowing.
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        • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 5 months ago
          BS. Obama was speaking specifically to criticisms and questions that implementation of the ACA would force people off their family doctors and onto plans which were supported by the ACA. This turned out to be 100% accurate AND was exactly what ACA author Jonathan Gruber bragged was the purpose of the ACA.

          Noone was expecting that the government would be successful. They were complaining about the President's complete and willful disregard for market forces.
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          • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 5 months ago
            I expect Obama to make many statements in the next 6 months that will infuriate anyone who believes in liberty and is able to think... even more idiotic statements than usual. Martial law is his only lawful chance to stay in office, not that any part of his term in office was lawful.
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          • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 5 months ago
            " that implementation of the ACA would force people off their family doctors and onto plans which were supported by the ACA"
            Force them like with a gun? This is precisely why I lobbied unsuccessfully against the plan. Purchases that used to individual decisions are now subject for public debate. If we can't get someone else to pay for what we want, it seems like being forced. Most (not all) of these people who can't afford their medical care would be better off without gov't involvement. When people say the gov't fooled them into thinking the law would create goods and services, it just blows my mind.
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            • Posted by Dobrien 8 years, 5 months ago
              Any producers who think, wanted nothing to do with the Unaffordable Care Act. Anybody who was fooled gets an F - for not doing any homework.
              That lack of reasoning and lack of effort has virtually destroyed our future.
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            • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 5 months ago
              Who are you thinking were fooled into this? Liberals want something for nothing. Conservatives and Libertarians pointed out the folly from the beginning. But throughout the entire process, we were being lied to by everyone from Sibelius and Gruber to Pelosi and Wasserman-Shultz to Obama himself. It wasn't parsed words, misunderstandings, or context. They were outright, bald-faced lies.

              Call Dems for what they are: liars and you'll make the first real step into reality. By continuing to persuade yourself that you can pull the lever for a Democrat, you only lie to yourself.
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              • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 5 months ago
                Three cheers for Blarman.
                As a Brit acquaintance of mine says, "It's time to call a bloody spade a shovel!"
                Liars they are and liars they will always be. They cannot defend their premisis with any degree of logic, so lies and obfuscation are their alternatives.
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              • Posted by Dobrien 8 years, 5 months ago
                Right on the money! Mr Blarman.
                I was in a discussion with an average guy ex military about 60. He was more or less uninformed about the govt. and somewhat indifferent to current issues. I pointed out some outright lies that are very disturbing. His indifferent response was an acceptance that all politicians lie. Americans accept this behavior.
                If I were to lie to my clients they would fire me or sue as they should.
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              • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 5 months ago
                "By continuing to persuade yourself that you can pull the lever for a Democrat,"
                Would you feel better having Republicans? Because that's the result of supporting candidates with no chance of winning. Every time you pull the lever for them, you're indirectly supporting something far worse.
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                • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 5 months ago
                  Yes. Unequivocably Yes. Not-even-a-moments'-hesitation-before-answering Yes.

                  Would Republicans have pushed Obamacare? Nope. Every single one voted against it. Are Republicans pushing Fast and Furious? Did Republicans target conservatives via the IRS? Were Republicans the ones supplying arms to Al Queda under the guise of toppling Egypt? I can go on... and on... and on... And don't get me started on the economy.

                  Are Republicans perfect? Nope. But I'll take a Republican every single solitary day over a Democrat. Want to know why? Because I know that the Democrat is lying to me when he says he is all about the people. He's all about power and the expansion of it. I know that at least I have a chance at sanity with a Republican. Are there some Republicans better than others? Absolutely. With Democrats I know I'm getting a rotten apple every time.

                  And the only way one wins an election is to get the votes. Elections are never lost until the final tally. I reject the defeatist mindset that says that candidate X can't win. I vote my principles and let the cards fall where they may.
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                  • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 5 months ago
                    On all the issues you mention, I think Republicans (not counting libertarians ones like Ron Paul) are worse. Government "power and expansion of it". That is exactly what I think their party is about. The bad news is Democrats aren't much better. Our system isn't supposed to depend on having good elected officials to rein in gov't, but it seems like it does. I'm discouraged by that.
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                    • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 5 months ago
                      Take a few minutes and enumerate to yourself situations in which the Republicans are worse. I gave you only a starting list of areas where the Democrats are unequivocably anti-freedom, anti-market, and power hungry. Knock yourself out and then come back to me. If you want, I'd suggest you enumerate each Amendment in turn and then go down the list on which party supports the Framers' intent with respect to that Amendment. Good grief, it isn't even close.
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                      • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 5 months ago
                        When I said "all the issues you mention", I really meant it. "anti-freedom, anti-market, and power hungry" "It isn't even close." I agree, except I'd be talking about Republicans. It's easier to find the rare exceptions where I think Republicans represent the Framers' intent, like the 2nd Amendment. Republicans are clear winners on that, but it's just by chance the position that works politically for them happens to be in accord with the Constitution. Republicans also give lip service to the 10th Amendment, although I don't see action on that. Democrats agree more with the Framers' intent but just as with Republicans only when it works politically. We're all complacent that there's no real danger of the Founders' concerns coming true. That was all solved hundreds of years ago, people think, so no need to think about that today.
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                        • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 5 months ago
                          So be specific - not general. You've already asserted that you feel the Democrats are more Constitutionalists than the Republicans. I've cited several instances in which Democrats are clearly violators of Constitutional values and I can make that list very, very long. So list out specific policies or actions on which you think Republicans violate the Constitution and were opposed by the Democrats. Enumerate them. If the breaches are as clear and obvious as you make it out to be, even a short list shouldn't take you more than a couple of minutes.
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                          • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 5 months ago
                            I did. I picked every one of the issues you claim Deomcrats are clearly violators of Constitutional values, except I make the reverse claim, with the exception of the one related to guns. I'm not knowledgeable on that, but I wouldn't be surprised if Republicans are strong. On the other issues, I mean exactly the ones you listed.
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                            • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 5 months ago
                              "I mean exactly the ones you listed."

                              Vague hand-waving doesn't cut it. Cite the policy, who instigated it on the Republican side, who opposed it on the Democrat side, and which Amendment it violates according to you. If you're not willing to go into that level of detail, this conversation provides zero value to me and I'm done.
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        • Posted by $ 8 years, 5 months ago
          Maybe people are indignant because this is a pattern of behavior for our Dear Leader. He promised that the average family would save $2500 per year on their health insurance due to Obamascare.

          How's that working out?

          https://youtu.be/_o65vMUk5so
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          • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 5 months ago
            "He promised that the average family would save $2500 per year on their health insurance due to [PPACA]."
            The rhetoric that says gov't can pass a law and make goods and services flow to you for free is what I have the problem with. Maybe that's what many of the critics are saying. The indignation makes them come off as if they're saying hoocudanode..
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            • Posted by $ 8 years, 5 months ago
              MAYBE that's what many of the critics are saying?!? Have you been comatose for the last 7.5 years? Lying has been the cornerstone of this administration. Benghazi, Iran, Afghanistan, etc. The list is long and distinguished, to use the line from "Top Gun".

              The gentleman from the great state of South Carolina was right when he shouted "You Lie!" to our Dear Leader. His critics were very, very wrong.
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              • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 5 months ago
                It's the same unproductive criticisms of his predecessor. I find all this incredibly unproductive b/c IMHO you're talking about the symptoms. The underlying problem is having a gov't acting like a global empire abroad and managing its citizens' personal lives. If our goal were to have gov't benevolently administer people's lives and run a benevolent military Empire, all the Presidents Bill Clinton, W Bush, and Obama have all done a great job and been honest to the extent of a normal politicians.

                I don't want to debate if they were good people (maybe because I'm not that knowledgeable about it), but I am concerned our system either encourages statism or (if you think it was a few bad politicians) is not robust against elected statists. It's a grave problem. The only answer I've heard is the US Constitution, but right now that's not working b/c we slowly expand what it allows gov't to do, and there are no structures stopping it.

                I like the fact that Gary Johnson acknowledges this aloud as a problem in a calm way and admits if elected he alone can't solve it.
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        Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 5 months ago
        "Please explain to me what was taken out of context."
        Brett Scott posted the full quote.
        https://www.galtsgulchonline.com/post...
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        • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 5 months ago
          So you tell me what context I should take away from that. To anyone who has actually owned and operated a small business, these remarks are a slap in the face at a bare minimum. Small businesses in particular pay huge fees and taxes just to operate at all, and yet you have politicians like Obama who come in and say that it is only due to the benevolence of the government that the business is successful, implying that it isn't the hard work and dreams of the entrepreneur which matter at all, but rather the implacable hand of government which controls and owns the productive efforts. If you can not see the blind audacity and ego in such statements, it is no wonder you voted for such ilk.
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        Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 5 months ago
        Yes. It's a poor choice of words taken out of context.
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        • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 5 months ago
          Please explain to me what was taken out of context. Obama meant every word he said - devaluing the actual entrepreneurs and their contributions and attempting to attribute their advances to government bureaucracy. Next you'll be telling me that "if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor" was "taken out of context".

          I don't excuse politicians for a word they say in scripted remarks. Those speeches are written and re-written to match the rhetoric and beliefs of the candidates themselves. There is no such thing as a "poor choice of words". What really happens is the facade of politi-speak drops just long enough to see the actual candidate for all their delusion and intent. The lies are exposed for exactly what they are.
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