Thank You, Mr. Trump, by Robert Gore

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There has been no shortage of commentators pointing out these facts—for years, even decades—but by definition, even if their audiences were in the millions they were “fringe.” Back in late 2014, immigration reform—a “path to citizenship,” de facto amnesty, and meaningless promises of tighter border security—was the prevailing mantra, chanted by both parties’ candidates, endorsed by all right-thinking pundits as necessary to secure the increasingly important Latino vote (support from Republicans was paradoxical—most immigrants vote for Democrats). There would be no immigration issue because dissenting views were marginalized or suppressed, and the “solution” to the problem was a done deal regardless of who was elected.

Then Donald Trump called Mexican immigrants rapists and proposed building a wall at the border, funded by Mexico. The epithet and proposal were outrageous, but the concerns of millions of Americans had been ignored or dismissed as racist and xenophobic. It took something outrageous to get those concerns on the table and force the Cloud People to pay attention. They did so not out of any solicitude for the unwashed, the Dirt People, but because Trump jumped to the top of the polls. Immigration will be a front burner issue through the general election, and attacks on Trump supporters by Mexican-flag-waving thugs will only help his cause. He doesn’t even have to say: “What did I tell you?” It’s implied.

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  • Posted by IamTheBeav 8 years, 6 months ago
    One thing I have never understood is that idea that Hillary would be so much worse that Trump. Don't get me wrong. I absolutely despise them both and I will not be voting for either of them.

    Here's the rub as I see it.

    In Hillary, you have a hard core progressive Democrat from the Saul Alinsky school of thought whose inner belief system couldn't be further from my own. I believe she's also a criminal (with or without future conviction) several times over whether it be Whitewater, Vince Foster, Clinton Foundation or State Department email server related. There is one redeeming quality to Hillary as it relates to Donald Trump. She is utterly incompetent when it comes time to getting things done. Whether it was her own version of state managed health care back when Bill was president, her spectacular failures as Secretary of State, or he unbelievably poor showing against an old doddering fool like Bernie Sanders in the Democratic primary. In short, no matter how much I loathe her politics, at least she has a proven record of failing to get her agenda done. The fact that she has all the personality of a doorknob probably has alot to do with that.

    Donald Trump largely shares Hillary's politics no matter what lies he had to sling to win the GOP primary. You can't tell me that a guy who has leaned heavily Democratic for 69 years of his life is somehow all of the sudden some kind of reborn conservative on his 70th birthday.

    Let me step back for a second and talk about Barack Obama, and I will draw that forward as to how it relates to Donald Trump. Earlier, I mentioned how much I despise Hillary Clinton's political views, so you can imagine the outright disgust that I have for Obama. That said, I do admire one thing about the man. However much I disagree with his ideals, I admire his neverending ruthlessness in getting his agenda canonized as law. Some people thing that B.O. is a weakling and a failure as president, but I suggest that he is doing exactly what he wants to do in order to "fundamentally transform America" into the statist, non-superpower of his imagination. Crushing debt, weak foreign policy and a massive expansion of the welfare state are all part of his agenda, and he has fought like hell to enact every bit of it, with or without the benefit of having constitutional backing.

    Although Obama and Hillary share many of the same ideals, they do not share the same backbone and ruthlessness in getting the job done, however wrongheaded that "job" may be. Donald Trump, on the other hand, share an awful lot of Obama views, insofar as Trump has any principled beliefs at all, and he (Trump) is ruthless as hell, just like Obama.

    Neither Hillary or Trump have any regard for the Constitution. In fact, if either has any feelings at all on the matter, it may be more in line with contempt for it. If both Hillary and Trump share many of the same political views and one is ruthlessly effective while the other is not, which of the two is the better bad choice?

    As far thanking Donald Trump for bring this issue or that issue to the forefront, I'll pass. I couldn't care less what Trump has to say, because he is little more than a empty suit con man with a big cult of personality behind him. If he actually does manage to get that wall built, let alone have Mexico foot that bill, I'd be amazed. Even if it he did, what's the point of building a wall? Are Mexicans so dumb they don't know how to build ladders or dig tunnels? If they want to cross the border, they will cross the border. The real question has more to do with why they want to cross the border in the first place and how do we make that less desirable.

    I know I'm rambling here, but the short version is that I cannot bring myself to support Donald Trump under any circumstances. He's a liar and a bully and a litigious thug. At the end of the day, I see him a being little different than the garbage currently occupying the Oval Office. I'd rather just write somebody in knowing my vote is lost than to have the support of Donald Trump weighing on my conscience for the rest of my life. At the end of the day, all I can do is to take care of me and mine and the government with all of their "help" can be damned.
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  • Posted by JohnConnor352 8 years, 6 months ago
    As a comment to the article, those who want tighter immigration are either racist or xenophobic. The only reason they should come in freely, according to these people, is either their race, culture, or place of birth... None of which predetermines a person's character. It is inherently prejudiced and collectivist to make the claim.
    Trump, like those supporting him, is an authoritarian who gets his way through bullying and physical force.
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    • Posted by $ CBJ 8 years, 6 months ago
      Virtually all of the "bullying and physical force" at Trump rallies is initiated by his opponents. You don't see Trump supporters rioting at Hillary or Sanders rallies. And it is neither "racist" nor "xenophobic" to seek to protect one's self and one's family from becoming surrounded by people hostile to one's values (and often to one's safety). Would you care to live every day among those who disrupt Trump rallies, waving Mexican flags and threatening peaceful citizens who seek to exercise their First Amendment rights by attending such rallies?
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      • Posted by JohnConnor352 8 years, 6 months ago
        Who's talking about rallies? I'm talking about his policies! He seeks to exert unchecked control over our economy to promote what he views as the better types of production. He's exactly the same as Obama in this regard, but rather than promoting green energy, Trump focuses on "made in America" stickers and manufacturing jobs. It's the same irrational, evil concept just aimed at different pet projects.

        No matter how much you "want" something, you do not have the right to use force to achieve it, nor ask others to use force in your stead. Barring entry is a form of force as surely as punching someone in the face is.
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        • Posted by $ CBJ 8 years, 6 months ago
          "Barring entry is a form of force as surely as punching someone in the face is." Barring entry to what? Entering property you do not own, without the owner's permission, is trespassing and an initiation of force. In a society based on Objectivist principles, any "public property" is the property of its citizens, administered by the government for their protection and benefit. It is not the property of those seeking to immigrate, and they have the right to do so only with the permission of the government, and with agreement on their part to adhere to its rules.
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    • Posted by mccannon01 8 years, 6 months ago
      When foreigners come into my country and desecrate and burn my flag, then fly their flag while cheering, they are not immigrants. They are invaders. If the likes of La Raza and their apologists choose to call me a racist or xenophobic, then they can kiss my ass. Go Trump!
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  • Posted by ohiocrossroads 8 years, 6 months ago
    The Republicans are in an impossible situation. They have spent decades loathing the fact that the closest thing they have to an ideology is Conservatism, yet they have always regarded that wing of the party as nuts. So then the socialist Barack Obama comes along, and the only thing they had that could battle him was the principles of Conservatism, and who do they put up to battle him in the presidential elections? Establishment candidates John McCain and Mitt Romney. Why? Because they wanted to court the "Independent" vote, and the political consultants told them that you can't get that with a Conservative candidate. Well, Mitt Romney won the Independent vote in 2012, but lost the election because the Conservative base stayed home.

    The Republicans basically adopted a stealth strategy to win back the House and Senate in the 2010 and 2014 mid-terms, depending on the conservative base to turn out in off years when the voter turnout is low. When they won the House back, they kept saying "we can't oppose Obama with control of only one house." Then they won the Senate in 2014, they caved again, and gave the Dimocrats more than they expected in the 2015 budget. They have never stood up to Obama's abuses of power because they didn't want to be called racists or be blamed for a government "shutdown". They must have expected to win the 2016 presidential election by stealth means

    Well, the American people got tired of waiting for the "party of limited government" to stop the out of control descent into tyranny, and decided to select Trump as the presidential nominee. The Republicans brought it on themselves by repeated failures to act according to their ideology (such as it is).
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  • Posted by jimjamesjames 8 years, 6 months ago
    I'm am old man. My first vote for President was for Goldwater. I see the slide, in this society and in civilization, in general, toward collectivism, as inevitable and irreversible and Trump is not going to stop it. But he will be an interesting and entertaining speed-bump in the slide while the other choice is simply more grease.
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  • Posted by coaldigger 8 years, 6 months ago
    I would be greatly relieved if I believed that Trump was doing this on purpose because that would imply a strategy to change the forces causing these political and economic disruptions. Open borders and free trade are natural states of man and only muddled by corrupt politicians. If a nation that offers freebies has a problem attracting moochers the solution is not how to handle the moochers, it is to stop offering freebies. If foreign goods are better and cheaper than domestic products the answer is not to erect trade barriers but to take down barriers making domestic goods more expensive. If all goods are made by the most efficient, unfettered producer regardless of where they may be and who their political leaders are, all mankind's standard of living is elevated. Political states are the cause of all man's problems other than some natural disasters and the answer is to utilize the statist system as little as possible, not to grow more powerful governments.
    If Trump only effects this by portraying it in the theater of the absurd, leading to revolt, he is doing us all a service. It would be even better if he offered an alternate plan.
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    • Posted by term2 8 years, 6 months ago
      When Trump opens his mouth, the leftists just pounce on him with hundreds of pundits plying the airwaves trying to knock him down. At this point I turn off the news when they start in on Trump. I just dont want to hear "stop Trump", when it should be "Stop Hillary".

      I think that if he wins, I would rather him take some time to assess the lay of the land, look over the information that would be available to him as president, and then formulate a specific plan of action. Politicians today just make promises to get elected, and NEVER make good on them. Take a look at Obama and the war in Iraq for example. We are still there, and in AFghanistan too. Trump is going to shake things up in the government and put in some good people, as he has done in his business.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
      Which brings u an unanswered question on the same subject. Tariffs. Shirt costs $20 from a South Carolina grown, milled, woven, cut and sewn producing system. Same shirt same quality from India is $10.

      SC seeks a tariff of $10.

      Assuming it's granted the consumer now must pay $20.

      If they buy the import $10 goes to the government
      If the buy local $10 goes to the SC system.

      The question is who loses?

      This is from Hazlitts Economics in One Lesson which all of you should have on your desk.

      the anwer which no one posted is. All the othere businesses who didn't get the benefit of that extra $10. That's the question that's never asked when any form of taxation is proposed . Who loses?

      You want $15 minimum wage TANSTAAFL no free lunch whose money pays for that increase? And whose business does not get that money as a result?

      Works on any and every form of taxation.

      Ask your Congressional that when he or she comes looking for votes? Maybe? Or his her campaigners are out passing leaflets?

      Duuuuhhhhh is the answer you will get. The true way to put that is inflation results.Devaluation follows. WoW! it's another housing bubble and ethanol scam crisis!!!

      Ready to see yiour buying power take another 30% uncovered by COLA nose dive?

      Support $15 minimum it's a direct route to exactly that.
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      • Posted by coaldigger 8 years, 6 months ago
        Consumers pay for everything. Businesses do not pay taxes, they collect taxes in the price of their goods and services and pass them on to the consumer. Consumers pay all costs concerned with production and service plus overhead and profit. If the consumer thinks the price is too high, he votes with his pocketbook to close the business. When the government "gives" money to those that did not produce a marketable good or service it has trades something of zero value (money as a means of exchange based on nothing produced) for someone's good or service that had value based on production. Sooner or later this becomes evident as inflation.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 6 months ago
    After being ignored and marginalized for years, those concerned about illegal immigration were astounded by a candidate who came right out and said what they had been saying to each other, to those who promised to do something about it, to the local press, and talk radio. He actually verbalized in a bold manner the words they'd been longing to hear. And the mushy, wimpy, lying politicians couldn't understand his appeal. Once again I proclaim I am not a big Trumpeter. But, if he goes after the problems with the economy, pointing out how jobs can be grown by lowering taxes and cutting out over-regulation with the same enthusiasm, while pointing out Clinkton's foibles - he will win.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 6 months ago
    the unwashed masses are angry, want revenge, and
    have tried the nice way -- quiet voting, the tea party --
    and that didn't work. . DT will shake things up. -- j
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    • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 8 years, 6 months ago
      Hello johnpe1,
      I believe there is much in what you say. It has gotten to the point where people would burn the house to the ground rather than see it further defaced and dishonored by the establishment. It is much like a messy divorce. We have irreconcilable differences.
      Respectfully,
      O.A.
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      • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 6 months ago
        I had a divorce of that sort, and it tore out my innards
        where I didn't think I had any -- new places, new hurts,
        new anguish. . the current process is much the same! -- j
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
          Now we're getting to the nitty gritty nub of things. Let's see the military opted out of their responsibility so I guess that just leaves....hmmmm....well I'm already there. We're you gonna duck and cover?
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          • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 6 months ago
            I'm under my desk, here, remembering the fifties! -- j
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            • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
              I remember 50 yard slips under the skirts under the desk. OUCH! after all those years Corky caught up to me.
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              • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 6 months ago
                you were looking under skirts of girls seated at the
                desks? . you got fifty slips to go to the yard and seek
                forgiveness in solitude? . Corky was the name of one
                of the girls and she caught you and beat you up? -- j
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                • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
                  With the 50 yard slips they couldn't fit under the desk. Corky was the nickname of one of them but it involved a pneumatic adjustable girdle. remember them. and they somehow got deflated when she sat down from doing a board problem in some class or another. her BF was the culprit. The weapon of choice was a few tacks bulletin board type, and he eventually paid the penalty some decades later. That girl could carry a big time grudge.
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                  • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 6 months ago
                    ahhh! . clear at last! . we called it "shooting squirrels"
                    and got caught, every now and then. . silliness! -- j

                    p.s. the charged capacitor in the back of the neck
                    was a favorite.
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                    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
                      Wow deja memory lane vous Model T?
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                      • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 6 months ago
                        and then there was the fun of dipping the blonde hair
                        in India ink. . such fun! . one of my personal favorites
                        was a little gizmo which made a siren sound. . first, a
                        long-distance whirr, then a whoosh! -- j
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                        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
                          the old desks had an inkwell receptacle. The girl ahead of me had thick long hair in single long braid. I found she would notice if it put it in my ink well. Then reaching underneath slid a pencil cross wise. I imitated searching for something int he desk while paying attention to teacher and the victim when she moved forward it jerked her head back and I slid the pencil out.
                          "Wow your hair got caught in my desk! slamming it closed. Except for the time the teacher was standing behind me. We would get paddlings back then. ......Some years later she said she knew what was up but waited for the best moment when the teacher was in the back of the classroom. OUCH! Second Grade then I got one from the Principal and one from the pater at home. Cured me until fourth grade.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
    And with all the vitriol and negative poison and a step by step manual of the 1930's in one hand and the daily news in the other the drawing of some conclusions is inescapable. yet ignored.

    It isn't the USA anymore and hasn't been unless you are old enough to predate Woodrow Wilson.. It's a progressive cancer waiting to take full control of a carcass.

    It isn't Hamiltonian or Jeffersonian anymore it isn't any kind of American Dream unless your dreams were after a round of heavy Marxism and too much vodka.

    It isn't 640 acres a mule and a plow or 100 and a cabin in the woods nor a a one acre housing lot with it's own 'in the city' garden plot, nor even a quarter acre with room for a one car garage, It's tin can houses stacked within arms reach yet costing more than the the home of The Beaver. or Ozzie and Harriet.

    People aren't asked to vote for a bright future or a with some degree of hope but for a choice of degrees of despair and only the very young, innocent, and naive would think otherwise.

    I'm of a mind today to liken the country as a whole to an oil field in Colorado. The residents finally shrugging and the whole waiting for the inevitable spark. The sign reads Here it is as I found it as the landscape burns horizon to horizon and ocean to ocean. And still those who think let's vote for so and so and he will slow the drift to the left as the vote for same old same old nothing new old give us another chance old - tired - useless - tinder.

    And let's not forget the Polly Anna's Every time I hear them or read something they wrote I want to jack slap the crap out their empty heads as they offer move on nothing here to look at.

    Turn out the light? No the last one should give the country a decent burial and put up a new sign. It's yours, leave it as you made it. Now live with it and deal with it.

    We're at Left Over Station the end of the line. My watch the flock scatter, hunt and peck looking for some scratchings and finding only cinders.

    I think I'll move down to free north America and prepare the next wave of immigrants. Plow, burro, and an appetite for work not excuses.

    North America is there turn now.

    As for me I'm sitting in a falapa quite near to Yelapa and find it more pleasing than a condo in Redondo.

    Click!
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    • Posted by jimjamesjames 8 years, 6 months ago
      Hey, Mike, I grew up in Redondo Beach. Move to Wyoming 37 years ago. Go out once a year to reunion with my high school and college buddies. No way in hell would I live in Redondo Beach again.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
        Stopped to visit the nearby Lats and Atts office when heading south. Only time and remembered the old poem since I'm now in the Yelapa Latitudes. Don't know why but I really liked Ten Sleeps in your new home State.
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        • Posted by jimjamesjames 8 years, 6 months ago
          Ten Sleep is a cool little town. Longest I spent in Mexico was seven months in a Mexican prison. And I was innocent, honest!!!
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          • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
            No comenta! Something I try to impress on visiting gringos you left whatever you thought were your rights behind when crossing the border and not much of those left before crossing. Guaranteed though the accomodations are nowhere near as nice as the one's back home. The rest is how much mordida you can afford to pay.
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            • Posted by jimjamesjames 8 years, 6 months ago
              That episode in my life was during Nixon's "Operation Cooperation," where the US and Mexico were going to stop drugs by making sure anyone caught with dope (in my case, four joints) would be processed through the Napoleonic Code. I was charged with "trafficking," had to swear I was an "addict" and the process took seven months."Que dice el Juez?" "Delito absuelto" and I was released on January 12, 1970. Very interesting time in Pententeria Del Estado de Baja California
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              • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
                The difference in codes is

                Innocent until proven guilty unless it's an arrest by an excepted bureaucrat set of rules with their own police and courts or under 'suspicion of' laws.

                Napoleonic is Possibly Guilty until proven Guilty and also possibly innocent so we keep all of you until investigation is over.
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                • Posted by jimjamesjames 8 years, 6 months ago
                  so we keep all of you until investigation is over.

                  Which is what they did. Nevertheless, it was a hell of an adventure. Got to watch a few people die, two by stabbing, a few by overdose. Heroin and grass were plentiful because stoned people don't cause much trouble. Alcohol, cocaine, and "uppers" were harder to get because users might do something that would cause problems. And I might mention, it was as capitalist a society as you could find. Everything was available for a price, the suppliers were plentiful and negotiation was a way of life.
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                  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
                    In the old Canal Zone days the carcel in Colon local jail hosted some undergoing your experience. The detainees and prisoners alike had to be on their feet all day. No sitting or lying down. At night for fifty cents they could rent a sheet of what we call butcher paper. about six feet long for a bed. Anything else had to be delivered minus the officials cut or mordida by a family member.
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                    • Posted by jimjamesjames 8 years, 6 months ago
                      That would have been rough. Two other Americans and I bought a caraca (small room) for $115 (for life), hire a heroin addict for five "papers" of smack to build bunk beds. He found the wood, built a three level bed, scrounged some mattresses (they were not as bad as could be imagined), put in a shelf for cooking on the hotplate for total compensation costing us about $6 for labor and material. Did great work, too.

                      Compared to what it could have been, it was, as I said, a great adventure.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 8 years, 6 months ago
    I have always held that some things cannot be said politely. Some things, when the establishment ignores them for so long, are rude to mention by definition. (That is, the establishment defines "polite" and "rude.") This is an example. Donald Trump does not use euphemism. I appreciate that. Euphemism is a waste of time and an insult to my intelligence.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 6 months ago
    Good note. I really hope Trump calls attention to this in the general election and moves his rhetoric to discuss the elephants in the room with less extreme, ineffective positions.

    If he doesn't, Hillary is going to crush him like a bug.
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    • Posted by term2 8 years, 6 months ago
      With her powerful establishment friends and money, Hillary is going to crush Trump unfortunately. Trump is getting SO MUCH negative publicity for everything he does and says that its disgusting. Hillary is an evil power hungry witch, but the liberal media lets her skate on all that she has done. If Trump wins, its going to be because of trememdous pent up upset with the system that explodes out in the quiet of the voting booth. He has my vote for sure.
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      • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 6 months ago
        Well, we all knew he had your vote, you've made that clear. He can secure a LOT more votes if he maintains an anti-establishment position and stops taking unnecessarily extreme positions and behaves like someone we want as the icon of the US, rather than a cartoon character.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
          hoew can you get more anti establishment than calling for a Republic form of government with two or more parties and free/open/honest elections under the Constitution?
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        • Posted by term2 8 years, 6 months ago
          I worry that the GOP will try to tone him down to be more like them. It would be a shame, and he will lose to Hillary if he does that. Watch the youtube video of the town hall with anderson cooper and trumps family. Anyone who raises a family like that is not a cartoon character.
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 8 years, 6 months ago
    Hello SLL,

    "Today’s decidedly unfree world means that so-called free trade arrangements augment the power and wealth of governments and their cronies at the expense of everyone else, just as “open immigration” expands welfare states with resultant political and economic advantages for the few."

    True. Trade and immigration policies have become tools of the politicos, cronies and power-brokers.

    On these issues, Trump is much like McCarthy in that he is perhaps the wrong messenger, in-artfully pointing out some truths. It is his lack of tact and choice of words that undercut his message and may be his undoing.

    I look forward to part 2.
    Regards,
    O.A.
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    • Posted by 8 years, 6 months ago
      Tact is way overrated.
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      • Posted by term2 8 years, 6 months ago
        yeah, Trump has shown us that political correctness has reached its end as a way to control the masses. Now, I say what I think, period, whether its politically correct or not. We only live once.
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      • Posted by conscious1978 8 years, 6 months ago
        Yes, there are times that tact is overrated. However, that is something quite different than the litany of dumb-ass, knee-jerk remarks and lies spouted by Trump.

        He has brought attention to a number of issues like a deadly bomb going off in a public market highlights flaws in prevention and response. He's oblivious to, or unconcerned about, collateral damage.

        The tragic irony is that many of his supporters are far more consistent on issues than he is.
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      • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 8 years, 6 months ago
        Hello straightlinelogic,
        I hear you. I like straight talk and have no use for PC. Unfortunately there are many politicos and media talking heads that will use every possible opportunity to take things out of context and read into one's words meanings not intended in order to distort and defame. I make it my business to try to ascribe no more meaning to a statement than the literal meaning without further implications until I have elaboration. Every day we are subjected to talking heads that go out of their way to look for the worst possible connotations and implications, if it serves their agenda. It is a propaganda tool used quite effectively by all sides.
        Regards,
        O.A.
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  • Posted by lrshultis 8 years, 6 months ago
    Having dealt with relatives who were actually bigots, one grandfather was even a member of KKK, an uncle who could not say a sentence without some kind of racial or ethnic comment in it, etc. I have no problem with Trump's saying poorly thought out nonsense. I have more trouble with eminent domain and his belief that money of businessmen in Mexico belongs to the Mexican government so that it is available to build a wall with.
    I wonder if the following web sight is correct about crime?:
    http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/spec...
    If so, native born citizens need some improvement.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 8 years, 6 months ago
    That first paragraph just ain't so. Ted Cruz wanted a border wall, too. He just isn't the kind of loudmouth that Mr. Trump is.
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    • Posted by blackswan 8 years, 6 months ago
      That just shows you that if you want to get your message out, you have to be louder than the competition. The impression was that ALL of the other candidates were spouting milquetoast pablum, when Trump jumped in, throwing grenades, and breaking the china.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
        Excellent choice of words. But he's championing a different cause or should I say a different flavor of the same cause. I don't like any kind of socialism National or International.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 6 months ago
    Our unofficial policy on immigration has been to look the other way. It's almost border control theater.

    I'm in favor more open boarders. I support rules that make it easier for parts, merchandise, and workers to cross borders without gov't permission. I find it annoying that instead of opening our borders by having a debate we do it by secret agreements in remote locations and by just looking the other way from an underclass of 15 million undocumented people living here. I can only imagine the anger of people who do not want open borders. It's not like we had a debate and they lost. Rather we said, "sure we'll protect the borders," didn't actually do it, and just ignored the law.

    So I think agree 100% with Robert Gore. I disagree with trade barriers, can't stand Trump, but there's more to Trump than just racism.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 6 months ago
    Today Trump has caused me to think of a scene in High Plains Drifter.
    Clint Eastwood's character walks into a saloon and asks for a beer and a bottle.
    Pulling a beer tap, the bartender says, "Ain't much good but it's all we got."
    I would prefer a having walked the walk conservative like Ted Cruz.
    Shortly after I voted for Cruz, he very disappointingly blamed Trump for rally violence he had to know was bought and paid for by George Soros and friends.
    Must admit I was emotionally turned off about "Lyin' Ted! Lyin' Ted!" but "all Ted got" is now out of the "all we got" equation this time around.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 6 months ago
    I and many do, in fact, give him credit for bringing this and many PC issues to the table in a straight forward manner...he could of, however, done a much better job on his delivery.
    Aside from the limited jobs issues, the legality and respect issues; I would of also pointed out that the World is Not ready for open borders and why the creatures that insist upon ruling over us, want open borders and don't care why it's not a good idea right now.
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    • Posted by Hot_Black_Desiato 8 years, 6 months ago
      I care more about the content, than the delivery. I watch PhD. academic MORONS, ignore totally valid points because the author dared not put a comma in the right place, or heaven forbid misspelled a word.
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  • Posted by Hot_Black_Desiato 8 years, 6 months ago
    Please provide fact to back this up?
    "You can't tell me that a guy who has leaned heavily Democratic for 69"

    From the interviews I have watched of Trump over the last 30 years that is a false claim.

    Trump Interviews
    1988 Oprah
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEPs1...
    1988 GOP Conventions
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Usb0i...
    2012 Piers Morgan
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5Iuq...

    Trump raised and endorsed Romney, raised millions for him.

    www.fec.gov show empirically that over 40 years over 80% of any campaign contributions went to GOP.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
      Define empirically in this context. Need a start point.
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      • Posted by Hot_Black_Desiato 8 years, 6 months ago
        To help you do your own research a bit here is the link to the raw files.

        http://www.fec.gov/finance/disclosure...

        Do not forget to sort through every super pac as well as direct donations to the candidate themselves.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
          That should take a year or five. Now how about the $2.00 check off from the tax forms? Starting with myself that zero dollars. Wasn't it air head McCain that agreed to not take it then the other side stiffed him or was that Dole from Kansas?
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          • Posted by Hot_Black_Desiato 8 years, 6 months ago
            Yup. McCain was a MORON and as soon as the conversation came up about public vs. private funding, I knew Obama was going to screw him over. I mean really. Anyone with half a brain knew that was going to happen. I have NEVER checked the $2.00 donation on my taxes....and will NEVER since I have zero idea what that will really be uased for.

            If you review the government finances, Clinton, "balanced the budget" by raiding Social Security and issuing government IOU's there was never a balanced budget, it was the single biggest theft in world history.
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      • Posted by Hot_Black_Desiato 8 years, 6 months ago
        download the spreadsheets from http://fec.gov. Sort all donations by Trump, Trump organization.

        Total all donations, donations to all candidates with an R, then those with a D, the use basic division.R = GOP and D= Democrat.

        This will take you some time since you have to do each year seperately. Then while you are at it, go to each candidate, like Harry Reid, and sort each year dating back decades, and see how many contributions you see from Trump or Trump organization to him or Hillary and the quantities or total dollar amounts. You will find Ted Cruz was lying through his teeth with his claims, especially when it comes to Harry Reid.
        That would be defined as empirical.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
          Excellent Now I know how to trace specific claims. not that I much care about Comrade Reid. I view him using the same rule my Dad explained when we were little. Chanced are high if this spanking was for something some other kid in school did and for which you were blameless it' will make up for whatever we didn't catch you doing. The point is punishment is for getting caught. Extent of punishment is 'doing what

          I appreciate the advise on the search methods. So R +D = total money of all types to pay for the Government Party's biannual charade. I think the left costs too much for what they produce or rather don't produce. No wonder they believe in zero sum gain.
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