Missouri Governor Vetos Federal Gun Law Nullification Bill.

Posted by Eireann 11 years, 4 months ago to Government
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The day AFTER Americans in Missouri celebrate Independence Day, their Governor decided that States Rights are superseded by Federal Law. How nice. He thinks that banning a list of gun owners infringes on First Amendment rights. Yes. You heard this correctly. He also thinks that House Bill 436 violates the Supremacy Clause in the US Constitution.

I'm getting really tired of this backwards way government has come to work in this country. The States were supposed to be sovereign, independent states who could make their own laws and set their own standards as was willed by the people of those states so long as they did not violate the Constitutional law of the United States. What in the world is wrong with people today? Since when did the legislation of morality in ANY sense ever work to curb violence, create responsible individuals, or make Man more free?

I'm so fed up. Pun intended.
SOURCE URL: http://www.news-leader.com/article/20130706/NEWS01/307060040/Nixon-vetoes-gun-laws-bill?gcheck=1


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  • Posted by Eudaimonia 11 years, 4 months ago
    Recall movement in 3... 2...
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    • Posted by 11 years, 4 months ago
      I have been informed by a friend on another forum that Missouri does not have recall laws. He's from Missouri so I assume he would know. I'm so bummed :(
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      • Posted by khalling 11 years, 4 months ago
        http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/La...

        welcome Eireann. Missouri is always screwed due to St. Louis proper and Kansas City. The rest of the state is slave to those two cities
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        • Posted by $ rockymountainpirate 11 years, 4 months ago
          This is becoming the norm rather than exception. The mob rule of the mostly looter/moocher residents of the cities over the rest of the state. How do you fight it.
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          • Posted by khalling 11 years, 4 months ago
            the only hope is people matriculating to more rural areas as we move forward in the information age. Less need to have workers under one roof, because communicating is so much more sophisticated. You do find that people who grew up in cities, tend to not want to leave them, versus people growing up in rural areas.
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            • Posted by $ rockymountainpirate 11 years, 4 months ago
              Part of odronya agenda is to move people out of the suburbs and rural areas into the cities. He will be imposing taxes (gas etc) for commuters to try & force them into the urban areas with public transit.

              'Oh give me land lots of land under stary skies above. Don't fence me in.'
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              • Posted by khalling 11 years, 4 months ago
                I have listened to several interesting shows documenting Obama's work and work with his mentor's over that. and the vilification of those living in the suburbs. I would like to point out, his house in Chicago is not in a high rise downtown. Or in a community he was organizing. Europe has been quite successful at maintaining the city centers and limiting suburbs-but law. The housing is outrageously priced and adult children wait many years to leave and find their own apts.
                I would go nuts going back to a situation of people on the floor above and below me, balconies side by side-no matter how pretty or well-built. just not me. In WI, I know this woman who worked for the state government in Madison. Her job was something environmental in the title, but the upshot was they bullied farmers into not selling their farms to developers. If you wanted to buy an existing farmhouse, you had to get on a list, and the state could sign off on you as the buuyer with the promise you would not build another house on the property. At the time, they were getting mixed cooperation, but they had a plan for that. They sent out surveyors to document and check deeds-BUT while they were surveying they mapped the lands for environmental issues, such as wetlands, prairie, etc. so when the farmer got ready to sell, they'd show up and say, you can't do this or that due to this environmental concern. leverage with a smile. that was at the state level, not federal.
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                • Posted by 11 years, 4 months ago
                  Wow. Excellent post, khalling. Which shows did you watch to get this info? It's always been just a feeling for me, but looking back at the death of the family farm in my younger years, I'm seeing there is a larger pattern than just this. People have to come into the city to work because their local manufacturing job was exported overseas.
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                  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 4 months ago
                    I can't remember which radio show it was, but it was an interview with this guy:
                    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1595230...
                    the other show highlighted a study, but I can't find it right now. The thing in Wisconsin-this straight from someone whose job it was to do that, and she told me all about it, pridefully. She was quite pleased with their progress in the rural area outside Madison.
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                    • Posted by 11 years, 4 months ago
                      Oh... joy. Looters with pride in their work. What is this world coming to when people are proud of being destroyers instead of creators? Thank you for the book, khalling. I ordered it.
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  • Posted by LeeCrites 11 years, 4 months ago
    I just don't understand how we got so screwed up -- with the 9th and 10th Amendments limiting the control of the fed over the states, how do we think there is a "supremacy clause" that matters?

    It only matters in things the constitution ALLOWS the fed to control...
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    • Posted by 11 years, 4 months ago
      This is a most excellent question, LeeCrites. I don't understand how we got here - yet. I just know we are here and it is wrong.
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      • Posted by Rocky_Road 11 years, 4 months ago
        You can credit SCOTUS for where we are. They ruled that the Federal government could regulate just about anything that touches our lives with this 1942 interpretation:

        "Wickard v. Filburn, 317 U.S. 111 (1942), was a United States Supreme Court decision that recognized the power of the federal government to regulate economic activity.

        A farmer, Roscoe Filburn, was growing wheat for on-farm consumption in Ohio. The U.S. government had established limits on wheat production based on acreage owned by a farmer, in order to drive up wheat prices during the Great Depression, and Filburn was growing more than the limits permitted. Filburn was ordered to destroy his crops and pay a fine, even though he was producing the excess wheat for his own use and had no intention of selling it."

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._.........

        The Supreme Court interpreted the United States Constitution's Commerce Clause under Article 1 Section 8, which permits the United States Congress "To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes". The Court decided that Filburn's wheat growing activities reduced the amount of wheat he would buy for chicken feed on the open market, and because wheat was traded nationally, Filburn's production of more wheat than he was allotted was affecting interstate commerce. Thus, Filburn's production could be regulated by the federal government.

        Mark Levine wrote a great study of the Supreme Court, and this is the most damning ruling in his learned interpretation. His book is in most public libraries: Men In Black: How The Supreme Court Is Destroying America.

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        • Posted by LeeCrites 11 years, 4 months ago
          I have read several of your posts, and I can tell you will be a resource I will count on in the future! Thanks!!
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          • Posted by 11 years, 4 months ago
            I am enjoying the intelligence and kindred spirit I am finding in these forums. We can agree to disagree without name calling and flaming. I think it's productive and beautiful. So thank you, LeeCrites for making this place somewhere I want to be not only to share, but to learn from the wisdom and experience of all of you.
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        • Posted by 11 years, 4 months ago
          Hang the lawyers! That's ludicrous! They're his chickens! So they are forcing him to buy wheat for personal use when he can grow it himself? That's insane. No wonder we lost the Republic. And people's eyes glaze over when I talk about these things like I'm speaking a foreign language. My God! Where is the outrage?

          I agree with Mr. Levine that this decision was the most damning ruling ever. It set the precedent for the federal government to regulate everything including what I put in or take out of my own body. People I've spoken to think that it is OK for the government to regulate behavior. I mean, it starts with forcing a man to buy grain instead of growing it himself and ends when? By the government telling us that we can only have children if they are from genetically perfected embryos implanted in our womb and devoid of birth defects so they don't become a burden on society or genetically engineered human beings who are created to perform a certain task? Science fiction? Oh no. They want this power and I just stand in awe of how willing people are to give it to them. I do not understand.

          Ok. That went far off topic, but I can see now why we can legally be forced by the government to buy a product we don't want. The precedent was set in 1942.
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          • Posted by LeeCrites 11 years, 4 months ago
            I think the joke goes like this:

            A bus load of lawyers were driving down a country road, when all of a sudden, the bus ran off the road and crashed into a tree in an old farmer's field.

            The old farmer, after seeing what happened, went over to investigate. He then proceeded to dig a hole and bury the lawyers.

            A few days later, the local sheriff came out, saw the crashed bus, and asked the farmer where all the lawyers had gone. The old farmer said he had buried them. The sheriff then asked the old farmer, "Were they ALL dead?" The old farmer replied, "Well, some of them said they weren't, but you know how them lawyers lie."
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          • Posted by Rocky_Road 11 years, 4 months ago
            Exactly!

            SCOTUS basically said that since there were farmers growing wheat for sale in the neighboring state, Filburn did not have the right to intrude on their interstate enterprise by growing his own. He, by ruling, had to buy theirs.

            This ends up with The Affordable Care Act....
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    • Posted by 11 years, 4 months ago
      I'm in Texas, so I am not sure about the recall laws there. I hope they have them as well. The people were behind that bill and I'll bet they are just incensed about right now.
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