K-12 Education--The Real Problem & It's Not Common Core

Posted by hrymzk 10 years, 6 months ago to Education
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My comments are based on having been a Sub/Regular Teacher for more than ten years in Public/Charter schools, Phila., Pa
The worst part of the problem is the average about 700 assaults on staff over the
past several years. Nationally, more than a million US kids a year leave high school. This is not sustainable for the US. We are in a hitech civilization on a global stage.
Very simply, the parent is the most influential in a kid’s life. Indeed, there are too many poverty teenagers/women having too many kids they can't properly parent. After that, teachers are left holding the bag. The statistic is that almost 45% teachers leave
the profession within their first five. years. If the US Armed Forces sustained that kind of attrition rate, the country would be in an uproar.
Very simply, the theoretical book learning of the ivory-tower college academics isn’t the practical, authoritative, detailed techniques new teachers need to handle these problems There needs to be an authoritative evaluation system of the teacher-training programs. Behavior Management
Learning Skills Motivation
As long as the establishment/citizenry doesn’t get kids constructively involved in education their destructive ways will continue

Harry M


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  • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years, 6 months ago
    There are far too many parents/people who do not have a vested interest in education...why should they with all the freebies flying around and readily available to suck from? Think about it, Harry. Until we shut off the free ride (including "free" education which now includes 2 free meals day, even during the Summer, and they're thinking about adding dinner too...not to mention free all-day day care to boot) they will not get involved in making sure their kids gain the ability and tools to better themselves. Back before all the welfare programs, when people we're legitimately hungry if they didn't find a way to earn a buck to feed their families they KNEW the importance of getting their kids out of that position in life. Kids who grew up genuinely poor knew was it was like to be hungry and would work any job they could and work they're way up the ladder to make damn sure they would not end up back where they came from...and then made damn sure their kids didn't end up like that. The fear of hunger is motivating, the fear of homelessness is also. Now the only thing people really have to fear is not getting their hands on the newest iphone. They're lives are subsidized by our hard work and they think they deserve what can be taken from us. The entitlement attitude is what's killing us and the gov is orchestrating it ON PURPOSE. And the cherry on top is Common Core being crammed down their throats. So, Harry, how do we fix the problems of public schools? What do you suggest? (I also work in a public school, but I'm removing myself on the last day before Summer break, they will no longer get my talents. I'm also going to home school my grandson. Those are MY solutions.)
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    • Posted by j_IR1776wg 10 years, 6 months ago
      Kudos to you LS for your solutions. As AH wrote..,."I am beginning with the young, we older ones are used up, we are rotten to the marrow. We have no unrestrained instincts left. We are cowardly and sentimental. We are bearing the burden of a humiliating past, and have in our blood the dull recollection of serfdom and servility. But my magnificent youngsters! Are there finer ones anywhere in the world? Look at these young men and boys! What material! With them I can make a new world."
      Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf (21).

      Is Public Education, the NEA, Common Core or BO any different from AH?
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      • Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 6 months ago
        As evil as Adolf Hitler was, you have to admit there is a lot of truth to that statement. Members of the older generation are typically rigid and set in their ways, while young young people are flexible, maliable, and impressionable. The old saying that you can't teach an old dog new tricks is a true statement, regardless of who says it. There was even a magazine ad for Atlas Shrugged recently that reiterated this same point.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 6 months ago
    Students will not be motivated to learn in school until we have a society that rewards Galtish values again. The reward system treats achievers as dorks, condones cheating, doles out money based on need rather than production, etc.
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    • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years, 6 months ago
      Yes... and we're a hell of a long way from teaching Galtish values and it's getting worse every day. But, according to Harry, it can't be stopped. So let's just roll over and take it like we have it coming.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 6 months ago
    This means we have complex problems of poverty and teengars having kids they can't care fore? We need to be training kids for a high-tech global world? Citizenry has to get involved in education?

    Can't we just buy into one political faction's propaganda to demonize the other and any initiatives associated with them?
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    • Posted by Wanderer 10 years, 6 months ago
      Circuit;

      Read up on TIMSS and PIRLS testing. The papers are pretty dry, all statistical, but they tell the story; American public schools are failing, but American private schools are succeeding. The question we must answer is - why?
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 6 months ago
        My kids are in a private pre-school. The 6 y/o will start public next year. We've talked to the administration and toured the public and private schools. We liked the public one b/c it's closer, but I suspect at some point we'll find something annoying and have to leave. We are fortunate that, at least for right now, the cost is insignificant for us, so we'll just go with what works. I'm on alert for bureaucratic nonsense. I don't believe the stories about the schools being politicized, but I do believe they're often ineffective. We're mindful of that and are planning on them doing language and technology outside of school. We just got through with a bad experience at a private school, so I really hope the stories about the public schools being messed up are exaggerated. I have low expectations though.
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        • Posted by Wanderer 10 years, 6 months ago
          Circuit;

          Read what you can find about American TIMSS and PIRLS scores. Something has gone terribly wrong with American public schools. American public school children are noncompetitive internationally, but American private school students rank third in the world, behind the Japanese and Singaporeans. It's not money. We spend more per student than all but one or two other countries.

          I've spent half my adult life overseas and can say honestly; American public school children are incredibly ignorant, have incredibly low skill levels, and have parents who don't know the difference because their children are being compared to children from similarly bad schools.

          I have faith there are individual public schools that are still good. I don't know how you find them amongst all the failures, but asking to see their TIMSS and PIRLS scores might be a start.
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