There is certainly a level of civil rights nostalgia surrounding this case. Trayvon’s murder fell on the heels of two infamous cases coming out of New York. One, where a bride’s groom coming out of nightclub where his batchelor party was being held was sprayed with forty-fifty bullets for reaching for his wallet. Second, Goldsboro a nearby city to the Trayvon incident is originally one of two cities in Florida that historically was incorporated by african-americans, so there is a penchant to be nostalgic geographically.. The release of the movie Dar He right after the shooting probably increased comparsons to the 1955 lynching and shooting death of Emmit Till. That was only compounded by the misinformation coming out in the beginning, witnesses referring to this young man as a “little boy”. Emmitt had been fourteen. Trayvon is no Emmit Till. Even with all the emotions surrounding this case, I suspect the african-american community will handle the decision with dignity. Al Sharpton, and Rev. Jackson, and even the DOJ...well...what can you say. It is what it is. The verdict is in! Gotta go.
Focus, Adam, focus: Your argument is with me. so leave the rest of the Gulch out of it! I made one humorous suggestion about slimming down your posts to a digestible level, and you get your dander up....
So be it, then. Here it comes!
I have dutifully read your posts (between drinks, since your posts should come with an open bar) and I find you to be boring or pedantic. Actually, I find you to be a boring pedantic. You must think that the point system in here is awarded by word count?
Not to mention that my eyes are literally bleeding by the end of each post, trying to figure out just what you are trying to say. That could just be me in my infinite stupidity, since no one else has mentioned this. I can live with that. But once again...that's me, and no one else here.
By the way: your above post is the first short, and sweet, post you have done to date! You get a point from me for that.
100% agree with this...and a point for using my new favorite word..."pendantic". It was used once before in the gulch....but that's another story. :) :)
Cacho Tirao was an amazing guitarist. That clip didn't show off anything of what he could do. This one gives you more of an idea: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2PkP24b...
Seriously Adam.... I can't follow what you're responding to when your replies shows up at random in the thread. It's time consuming and not conducive to keeping the interest peaked. I'm at my computer most of the day working...I pop in for a few minutes here and there to comment or reply quickly...this is more like trying to put together a 1000 pc puzzle without losing interest before I find the next piece. (And I'm starting to think a good many pieces are missing.)
Hey there, OA! Long time no see. I agree with you about the generalizations, but found enough merit to warrant a post. And I wanted to see what it might spark. :-)
I don't know if it's rational to ask for a deductive reason for the presence of African-Americans at riots. It seems like one would expect an opinion in response to such.
As to the rest of your post, I respect your right to disagree.
Excellent. I wish that my phone was fully functional with this system, so I could give out those points.
It's peculiar to me that something like this, widespread assumptions of animalistic tendencies that are reflexive in African-Americans, will come out of the power holders of the collective, yet there are claims that America isn't racist.
There is an entire industry devoted to keeping racial tension alive, fed by the Justice Dept and the WH, so I guess you could call it crony, Adam, it's the reason this trial is happening in the first place. The President of the United States spoke to the nation regarding this shooting in Florida to keep those tensions alive-when race had nothing at all to do with it.
Precisely. The press heard his name, thought he was a white guy, and had to think of something to keep the tension up, even when they learned he is of Hispanic descent. It's truly pathetic.
If Sharpton, Jackson etc were to stop fanning the embers of racism back into flames they would have no purpose left in their lives. They want to be recognized as big, and important, and a key player for a "movement" (even if it's really only a mirage), like back in their glory days. Why don't they go to the high crime areas, like Chicago, and work on the violence problems there? Because they wouldn't get any attention for it, that's why. Which speaks VOLUMES about their true motives.
the"widespread assumptions" as you call them are coming out of a sheriff's office that looks to me to be racially balanced in employees. My goodness, they made a commercial to encourage people not to riot: http://globalgrind.com/news/florida-poli... I personally think it's all a self-fulfilling prophesy-not unlike the state department apologizing to the Egyptian citizens for a little know you tube movie (I'll ignore Benghazi for this) and it sparked Egyptian rioting where there was none in the first place. I will have to say, when we've seen riots like this before in the US-there is always an african american participation, and rather than peacefully showing protest, it always devolves in the destruction and looting of other's property and violence against persons. Why is that?
I think that you're using a standard of non-racist that is racist. (Bear with me for a paragraph.)
If we begin with the proposition "We're all Americans," then the racial profile of any group of actors is immaterial. That's non-racist. To establish a racial element, without regard to malice on the part of the actors, we would then move to the actions taken by the group and the standards by which those actions were taken. At no point in the assessment of racism does the race of the actors become relevant because our prime premise is "We're all Americans," which is incompatible with race identification. However, you're not using that standard.
I think that African-Americans are always there because they don't have the fear that plagues Caucasians. Somehow, Caucasians compartmentalize the passion for liberty with the reality of collectivism. I think that the trouble-making elements of the African-American community believe that they're free and don't suffer the terror that drives average Caucasians.
Smith, in Wealth, declares that the primary difference between savages and civilized people is a sense of subordination. I think the American Caucasian sense of subordination is fear driven while the criminal elements of the the African-American community don't have that fear.
That's not to defend the behavior. Property rights are property rights. But, if I were to offer a solution, it would be to stop misrepresenting the culture of the U.S. We're not good; we're not free; American justice is as corrupt as the people implementing it. Beginning with these factual propositions would probably, in my opinion, change everything in the low echelons of the American economy.
I agree that this trial is absurd. I don't excuse wrong on either side. But, I don't deny when one side is right either. This is as terrifying as the Peterson case. It's part of a power grab that seeks to force Americans to be more reliant on the police. Now, how am I going to confront a shady character snooping around my neighbor's place? Call the dependents in blue; that's it.
gods hairy balls, I have to wade through all your sociology BS to get to the meat of the thing. it's annoying in the extreme. You are the one who consistently lists a race with a motive, over and over. There is no objective reasoning given, just your thoughts. maybe some paper you read. "Smith, in Wealth, declares that the primary difference between savages and civilized people is a sense of subordination" I do not remember Smith asserting this in Wealth of Nations. His book on Ethics is not consistent with either Rand's ethics or with natural rights, which this country was founded on. I disagree that civilized society is based on subordination. Nor would Rand have agreed.
And what would you do if someone thinks you looked at them the wrong way and starts to pummel your head on some cement? I'm not being snarky...I really want to know what you would do in that situation.
So be it, then. Here it comes!
I have dutifully read your posts (between drinks, since your posts should come with an open bar) and I find you to be boring or pedantic. Actually, I find you to be a boring pedantic. You must think that the point system in here is awarded by word count?
Not to mention that my eyes are literally bleeding by the end of each post, trying to figure out just what you are trying to say. That could just be me in my infinite stupidity, since no one else has mentioned this. I can live with that. But once again...that's me, and no one else here.
By the way: your above post is the first short, and sweet, post you have done to date! You get a point from me for that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3Qz2Npu...
That clip didn't show off anything of what he could do.
This one gives you more of an idea:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2PkP24b...
Reading Adam is like trying to herd cats.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk7yqlTM...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RvCcXZeO...
Enjoy!
Adam gets a song too: Carly Simon's "You're So Vain".
' You're so vain, you probably think this site is about you...!'
NMA
Looks like it sparked a firestorm!
Good thread!
O.A.
I don't know if it's rational to ask for a deductive reason for the presence of African-Americans at riots. It seems like one would expect an opinion in response to such.
As to the rest of your post, I respect your right to disagree.
is that reply to me? (my phone doesn't consistently render the order of replies either. lol)
It's peculiar to me that something like this, widespread assumptions of animalistic tendencies that are reflexive in African-Americans, will come out of the power holders of the collective, yet there are claims that America isn't racist.
The President of the United States spoke to the nation regarding this shooting in Florida to keep those tensions alive-when race had nothing at all to do with it.
I personally think it's all a self-fulfilling prophesy-not unlike the state department apologizing to the Egyptian citizens for a little know you tube movie (I'll ignore Benghazi for this) and it sparked Egyptian rioting where there was none in the first place. I will have to say, when we've seen riots like this before in the US-there is always an african american participation, and rather than peacefully showing protest, it always devolves in the destruction and looting of other's property and violence against persons. Why is that?
I think that you're using a standard of non-racist that is racist. (Bear with me for a paragraph.)
If we begin with the proposition "We're all Americans," then the racial profile of any group of actors is immaterial. That's non-racist. To establish a racial element, without regard to malice on the part of the actors, we would then move to the actions taken by the group and the standards by which those actions were taken. At no point in the assessment of racism does the race of the actors become relevant because our prime premise is "We're all Americans," which is incompatible with race identification. However, you're not using that standard.
I think that African-Americans are always there because they don't have the fear that plagues Caucasians. Somehow, Caucasians compartmentalize the passion for liberty with the reality of collectivism. I think that the trouble-making elements of the African-American community believe that they're free and don't suffer the terror that drives average Caucasians.
Smith, in Wealth, declares that the primary difference between savages and civilized people is a sense of subordination. I think the American Caucasian sense of subordination is fear driven while the criminal elements of the the African-American community don't have that fear.
That's not to defend the behavior. Property rights are property rights. But, if I were to offer a solution, it would be to stop misrepresenting the culture of the U.S. We're not good; we're not free; American justice is as corrupt as the people implementing it. Beginning with these factual propositions would probably, in my opinion, change everything in the low echelons of the American economy.
I agree that this trial is absurd. I don't excuse wrong on either side. But, I don't deny when one side is right either. This is as terrifying as the Peterson case. It's part of a power grab that seeks to force Americans to be more reliant on the police. Now, how am I going to confront a shady character snooping around my neighbor's place? Call the dependents in blue; that's it.
You are the one who consistently lists a race with a motive, over and over. There is no objective reasoning given, just your thoughts. maybe some paper you read.
"Smith, in Wealth, declares that the primary difference between savages and civilized people is a sense of subordination"
I do not remember Smith asserting this in Wealth of Nations. His book on Ethics is not consistent with either Rand's ethics or with natural rights, which this country was founded on. I disagree that civilized society is based on subordination. Nor would Rand have agreed.
You must be a fun date....
The definition of "pithy" might be of some help in your cause.
Soooooo good :-)