The fact that the government does not is the source of our problems...I know we were dumbed down and it happened slowly over time but still in a sense we allowed it to happen and the majority has done little to nothing about it.
Plusaf, thank you! A delightful site! I will check it more when I can.
I would have gotten back sooner but had some surgery yesterday and it was a bad day. Op was fine, but recovery from anesthesia was nasty. Recovering fine now.
All the best on your recovery! I started physical therapy for my left shoulder's damage repair. My operation was about 5-6 weeks ago to repair a lot of damage I sustained in a fall back in November. PT will probably go for another 3-4 months or more. Luckily, I can get by with my right wing for now, and the left one seems to be healing quite rapidly for an old fart of my age... Hang in there!
Thanks, Plusaf. Good luck with the shoulder PT. The last time I had those kind of problems is when I got thrown off a horse. Painful ride back to the barn but I couldn't let the horse win. Normally the horse is gentle and fine to ride, but we jumped a small creek in the woods and started up a steep incline when the saddle loosened up and shifted and pissed her off. Two seconds later I was airborne, LOL!
Mine is esophagus problems. Biopsies say I don't have cancer, so I dodged that bullet. This was the first of 3 or 4 procedures. It sucks when it hurts to swallow Jello after the op, but the doc says that will pass in a few days. Kinda makes you not want to go on to 2-3 and possibly 4, but I'm going to "git er done".
Having been born in England where the only way you can have a gun is illegally. Banning guns was the best thing the criminals could have wished for. All the guns are underground. So if guns are banned in the states all it means is you will pay more for them and ownership will go up!
Fortunately, if I picked out a different rifle from the safe to shoot each day, I would only have to repeat myself a couple of times in a calendar year. :)
She wants control and power. The ability of a people to resist with force is an affront to her desires for unresisted power, be it free speech, bearing of arms to resist tyranny, due process of the justice system to prosecute corruption, stopping her from rigging an electoral system or any other logical stop to her demands for power. If she was to come to power, one could only guess at the pretext and labels she would use for enabling herself to take political prisoners.
We have too many power hungry politicians. We have too many Clintons. We have too many Bushes. A lot of things we have too many of but not guns. The free market will decide when we have too many.
think about it. What does Hillary fear most? The Constitution and anything to do with followed by people who are independent thinkers and finally those who who have codes of ethics, morals, values and standards. Fourthly add 'all of them armed.'
Who does that describe?
"To protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC......I take this oath freely without purposes of ecasion." Ring Ring Ring..
But not if she can foment a revolution instead of a counter revolution.
1) Cops dont get there until the damage is done 2) Cops really CANT get there and prevent damage, even if they hire more of them 3) Personal security guards are too expensive for everyone to get one 4) Not everyone is some 200 pound bruiser trained in martial arts who will intimidate any potential attacker 5) If someone points a gun at you, you can be killed even if you ARE a 200 lb bruiser. 4) So guns are a cost effective method of personal safety.
Don't forget, SCOTUS has already ruled that police are not a security force, and can't be held responsible for not protecting people from criminal violence. There's a good reason sheriffs in high crime areas are now advising people to arm themselves for self protection.
It just makes sense to be armed. I think however that guns will be outlawed by governments (not to protect US, but to protect the government from the populace). We should be looking to alternate forms of defense- maybe high tech stuff- that wont be outlawed at least for awhile.
Strangely, it seems the last guns to be outlawed will be those best suited to partisan use: bolt action rifles, which are the best for killing at long range, and shotguns, which are great for short range kill. Lower tech solutions, like big bore air rifles, crossbows, and slingshots can be quite potent killers. Improvised munitions are best, not easily tracked. A little study will reveal many options if it comes to an aggressive anti-gun government program.
With 80 million gun owners and 350 million firearms in circulation, I think the idea of stuffing all of that toothpaste back into the tube is delusional, but there are those who will try.
Two thoughts: any idea of the size of a cooperative law enforcement team that would take? And how many constitutional rights would they have to violate?
Even New York has found that gun owners simply refused to comply with a new law that required them to register all removable magazines. Noticeably, there has been no state action taken against the "refuseniks". That might have been because most law enforcement in the state was very open about how they felt the law was unconstitutional, and that the strain on their resources did not justify neglecting higher priority activities.
Even President Obama has pointed out how unworkable the idea of registering all guns and confiscating them would be. Most of the Clinton bluster is window dressing to collect the votes of the most extreme anti-gun voters.
Any attack on the gun-owning American populace will likely start with an assault on the gun companies and the gun sellers, with the aid of a compliant activist judiciary. What's currently standing in the way of that effort is a right-centrist national legislature that may have to finally show some courage and stop the acts of an unconstitutional imperial Presidency.
I refused to register my gun here in Nevada. So I am a criminal, along with a lot of other people. If for some reason I am subjected to a search warrant, I am probably in trouble. If I was married, the wife would probably freak out that I could be arrested at any time.
I agree that its unlikely the cops would do a house to house search for guns so they could be confiscated. Imagine how long it would take to find all the carefully hidden guns !!!! Theres always the PVC safe deposit box in the back yard garden too.
"Even New York has found that gun owners simply refused to comply with a new law that required them to register all removable magazines. Noticeably, there has been no state action taken against the "refuseniks"." This is sadly standard practice. There are all kinds of laws on the books. Everyone's probably violating at least one of them. Police officers usually use common sense and focus on crimes where people are hurting others or stealing. They're not going to bother people for some unregistered clip, driving five mph over, their kids not having bike helmet, an expired car seat (did you know they expire?), smoking weed or using someone else's prescription drugs, and so on. But if someone in gov't is against the citizen, they have an apparently legitimate reason to go after them. Rule of law becomes a fig leaf for rule of men.
33,000 is cribbed from an incomplete wikpedia article. of that number 60 plus percent were suicides. the amount of weapons used in illegal or criminal acts was 11,000. The stated for use in defense was 55,000 and in the famous Clinton study over one million were reported. That study was quashed and people urged not to take the figures seriously as the Clinton study was flawed. Is this the same 1994 study on police and crime statistics that has never been fulfilled although it is required by federal law?
The numbers also are duplicated. For example total killed with a weapon includes child deaths but child is a legal term meaning under 21.
The figure also conveniently forgets gang on gang violence
Hillarious Hillary's misuse of statistics is somewhere below the level of her misuse of required security regulations or put another way her intentional violations of laws is far more a danger to the country along with her disdain for the truth as ordinary people define the word.
Truth we shouldn't ignore any problem but since the entire program was put in place by the left perhaps we can andshould ignore Hillary and the left wing socialist fascists whoever they are really for and and answering to in their organization. that's how you don't dangle two participles at once. .
Oh, when she gets elected you can be sure that we'll get sweeping, substantial gun "reforms". I only wonder what they'll call it. "The Safe Children Act"? "Domestic Peace Act". Who knows? Should be very entertaining.
It will be called "The Tax Funding Omnibus Act of 2017". The reform itself will be spread throughout the bill in hidey-holes, will be buried on page from pages 3,236 to 15,463. The voting draft will be distributed 3 days prior to the vote, and what will stand out won't be the sentence here and there gutting our rights and freedoms, but the raises for congress, the funding for pork projects, and more Homeland Security hooey...
As long as Hillary Wwotl or Waddle is not incarcerated we don't have enough weapons. Her election is prima facie the Pentagon should sound Boots and Saddles, Charge, and Deguello.
I wish you were right about the Pentagon sounding the charge to protect the American people M.A.
But I see Obummer gutting the military and setting up the left in the Pentagon. I know a 4-star that was a fine American at one point, but somehow has been turned. Seems like a nice person but is an Obummer puppet and is now serving the Hildebeast. Very sad and upsetting personally, but this is really happening.
Hillary, you can say whatever you want, but if you make statements like that one without specifically describing "How many are Too Many" or "How many are 'enough' ..." Your comment is useless as an argument and basically intellectual bullshit. But "thanks for sharing," anyway...:)
Oh, wouldn't it be nice if there were no guns. Then strong criminals could just strangle victims, or rape them, through sheer superior, brute physical strength. A gun, as my late father said, is"an equalizer". It puts the one who is physically weak on the same level as the one who is physically strong. It can also help in the case of being outnum- bered. I have no sympathy for those who spew the slime-smeared sentimentality about how unsafe people make it when they try to defend themselves.
The not so hidden agenda of the "liberal-progressives" is the establishment of rule by an "intellectual aristocracy" where they get to pick the intellectuals. The ability of the general population to resist such an effort, by force if necessary, is counterproductive to these ends. The lib-progs view criminals as far less a threat to their objectives than an engaged and enraged populace and they are correct to do so. That is the real reason behind the second amendment and why the "progressives" want to eliminate it.
I get the autocracy portion but where's the intellect? The protection - being built for some years now - is called a protective echelon. Translated from German. You call it Homeland Security. the one Obeyme wants to make more powerful than the military. The other move is to suborn the military into not upholding their oath of office and it looks like that is also working.
However if you follow the initials DOHS is now DHS pronounced did and that is certainly true next step is Department of Internal Security followed by inserting the word State.
As much as we were shocked over Reno using tanks against little kids thus the name Jackboot Janet Von Flamethrower Reno I can't imagine what a 'civil disobedience rally' would cause with Clinton giving the orders.
Perhaps it is a wash being that Hillary Clinton has "too little" character or integrity! Otherwise, who in their right mind (or even with a modicum of intelligence) would listen to a lying, conniving dirt-bag like her?
This country has too many Clintons. She would endorse the Communist Manifesto if she thought it would help get her elected. The issue is not guns, but the fact that Hillary R. Clinton doesn't rise to the level of a whore.
She wants to be one of the in crowd the establishment aristocracy but while they take some Hillary wants to be the Queen not nouveau riche. The way to do that is what she is doing. How will she react when she's still snubbed.
The socialist anti-gun crusade, ignoring and twisting the facts, is the same tactic that the Nazi's used to garner support - all woes are the fault of the Jews, and the bicyclists...
I don't think the USSR was a monarchy... Neither was Napoleonic France...
What she wants is a dictatorship. She wants the "pen and cell phone" power her adored fearless leader has. She wants to make law by dictate.
She needs to go. ALL these "Dynasty-seekers" need to go. If they don't... what will "go" is the America we used to know, and it will indeed go - into the wastebin of history.
Old dino can clearly see he needs to hurry up and buy at least a couple of more guns. I'm in the process of stocking up on ammo for the guns I already have. Maybe I should also stock up on gasoline and (hick) plenty of easy to break wine bottles.
I've notice hard liquor is gradually turning to plastic containers but wine is pretty much sticking to glass unless you're talking about a party-sized plastic bag with a spout surrounded by cardboard.
Should Hillary's PC police confiscate all my guns (I'll make that hard for hiding some), I'll need something to ward of huge bands of the Birmingham area punks I fully expect to roam the supposedly gun-free streets, kicking in any door they want. Yes, supposedly. Only outlaws will have illegal guns. Ah, that reminds me, I also need to acquire deadly projectile weapons that are not guns.
she is correct. only what she is avoiding saying is that they are in the hands of homeland security, the post office and every other agency of government that has no need of guns to do their jobs.
From three sentences later in the talk after this clip ends: "Look, there is a Second Amendment. There are Constitutional rights. We're not interested in taking away the guns of lawful, responsible gun owners."
And if what she said was true, it wouldn't be getting any air time - either in the media or on this forum. The facts of the matter are that she does want to restrict gun ownership and does want restrictions on the "lawful, responsible gun owners". The only people who should own guns in Hillary's mind are those protecting her interests.
"she does want to restrict gun ownership " I hope you're wrong, but I would not be shocked. My wild guess is the issue doesn't matter to her as it does to you and me; she thinks the sound bite will give warm fuzzies to someone who isn't into guns but knew a few people they didn't like who were into guns. Then she says something about respecting the Second Amendment for a soundbite for people like me who care about that right.
To get votes, politicians need to get urbanites who are into biking to work and museums (me) and rural people who are into guns and motor sports made at one another. Even if the national parks, for example, are plenty big enough to support wildlife and ATVs/snowmobiles; they get elected by getting the two groups fired up fighting over whether parks will be used for one or the other.
It's really sad that this stratagem comes before Constitutional right's, but that's what I suspect is happening.
Her quote was "I want you to know that we can’t ignore the Second Amendment and we can’t ignore the 33,000 people a year who die from gun violence." In October she suggested the Australia gun ban is “worth looking at” for gun policy in the United States.
None of this sounds like respect for the Second Amendment to me.
She is a political opportunist, who will say anything to gain power.
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I would have gotten back sooner but had some surgery yesterday and it was a bad day. Op was fine, but recovery from anesthesia was nasty. Recovering fine now.
I started physical therapy for my left shoulder's damage repair. My operation was about 5-6 weeks ago to repair a lot of damage I sustained in a fall back in November. PT will probably go for another 3-4 months or more.
Luckily, I can get by with my right wing for now, and the left one seems to be healing quite rapidly for an old fart of my age...
Hang in there!
Mine is esophagus problems. Biopsies say I don't have cancer, so I dodged that bullet. This was the first of 3 or 4 procedures. It sucks when it hurts to swallow Jello after the op, but the doc says that will pass in a few days. Kinda makes you not want to go on to 2-3 and possibly 4, but I'm going to "git er done".
Who does that describe?
"To protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC......I take this oath freely without purposes of ecasion." Ring Ring Ring..
But not if she can foment a revolution instead of a counter revolution.
of defense IS these guns which she hates! -- j
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2) Cops really CANT get there and prevent damage, even if they hire more of them
3) Personal security guards are too expensive for everyone to get one
4) Not everyone is some 200 pound bruiser trained in martial arts who will intimidate any potential attacker
5) If someone points a gun at you, you can be killed even if you ARE a 200 lb bruiser.
4) So guns are a cost effective method of personal safety.
END OF DISCUSSION, HILLARY
With 80 million gun owners and 350 million firearms in circulation, I think the idea of stuffing all of that toothpaste back into the tube is delusional, but there are those who will try.
Even New York has found that gun owners simply refused to comply with a new law that required them to register all removable magazines. Noticeably, there has been no state action taken against the "refuseniks". That might have been because most law enforcement in the state was very open about how they felt the law was unconstitutional, and that the strain on their resources did not justify neglecting higher priority activities.
Even President Obama has pointed out how unworkable the idea of registering all guns and confiscating them would be. Most of the Clinton bluster is window dressing to collect the votes of the most extreme anti-gun voters.
Any attack on the gun-owning American populace will likely start with an assault on the gun companies and the gun sellers, with the aid of a compliant activist judiciary. What's currently standing in the way of that effort is a right-centrist national legislature that may have to finally show some courage and stop the acts of an unconstitutional imperial Presidency.
I agree that its unlikely the cops would do a house to house search for guns so they could be confiscated. Imagine how long it would take to find all the carefully hidden guns !!!! Theres always the PVC safe deposit box in the back yard garden too.
This is sadly standard practice. There are all kinds of laws on the books. Everyone's probably violating at least one of them. Police officers usually use common sense and focus on crimes where people are hurting others or stealing. They're not going to bother people for some unregistered clip, driving five mph over, their kids not having bike helmet, an expired car seat (did you know they expire?), smoking weed or using someone else's prescription drugs, and so on. But if someone in gov't is against the citizen, they have an apparently legitimate reason to go after them. Rule of law becomes a fig leaf for rule of men.
The numbers also are duplicated. For example total killed with a weapon includes child deaths but child is a legal term meaning under 21.
The figure also conveniently forgets gang on gang violence
Hillarious Hillary's misuse of statistics is somewhere below the level of her misuse of required security regulations or put another way her intentional violations of laws is far more a danger to the country along with her disdain for the truth as ordinary people define the word.
Truth we shouldn't ignore any problem but since the entire program was put in place by the left perhaps we can andshould ignore Hillary and the left wing socialist fascists whoever they are really for and and answering to in their organization.
that's how you don't dangle two participles at once. .
But I see Obummer gutting the military and setting up the left in the Pentagon. I know a 4-star that was a fine American at one point, but somehow has been turned. Seems like a nice person but is an Obummer puppet and is now serving the Hildebeast. Very sad and upsetting personally, but this is really happening.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Jefferson
Hillary, you can say whatever you want, but if you make statements like that one without specifically describing "How many are Too Many" or "How many are 'enough' ..." Your comment is useless as an argument and basically intellectual bullshit.
But "thanks for sharing," anyway...:)
Of course if she really feels this way. Let me suggest that she disarm her armed bodyguards, as a step towards disarming America.
strong criminals could just strangle victims, or
rape them, through sheer superior, brute physical
strength.
A gun, as my late father said, is"an equalizer". It puts the one who is physically weak on the
same level as the one who is physically strong.
It can also help in the case of being outnum-
bered. I have no sympathy for those who spew
the slime-smeared sentimentality about how
unsafe people make it when they try to defend
themselves.
However if you follow the initials DOHS is now DHS pronounced did and that is certainly true next step is Department of Internal Security followed by inserting the word State.
As much as we were shocked over Reno using tanks against little kids thus the name Jackboot Janet Von Flamethrower Reno I can't imagine what a 'civil disobedience rally' would cause with Clinton giving the orders.
She would endorse the Communist Manifesto if she thought it would help get her elected. The issue is not guns, but the fact that Hillary R. Clinton doesn't rise to the level of a whore.
What she wants is a dictatorship. She wants the "pen and cell phone" power her adored fearless leader has. She wants to make law by dictate.
She needs to go. ALL these "Dynasty-seekers" need to go. If they don't... what will "go" is the America we used to know, and it will indeed go - into the wastebin of history.
I'm in the process of stocking up on ammo for the guns I already have.
Maybe I should also stock up on gasoline and (hick) plenty of easy to break wine bottles.
Ah, that reminds me, I also need to acquire deadly projectile weapons that are not guns.
I hope you're wrong, but I would not be shocked. My wild guess is the issue doesn't matter to her as it does to you and me; she thinks the sound bite will give warm fuzzies to someone who isn't into guns but knew a few people they didn't like who were into guns. Then she says something about respecting the Second Amendment for a soundbite for people like me who care about that right.
To get votes, politicians need to get urbanites who are into biking to work and museums (me) and rural people who are into guns and motor sports made at one another. Even if the national parks, for example, are plenty big enough to support wildlife and ATVs/snowmobiles; they get elected by getting the two groups fired up fighting over whether parks will be used for one or the other.
It's really sad that this stratagem comes before Constitutional right's, but that's what I suspect is happening.
None of this sounds like respect for the Second Amendment to me.
She is a political opportunist, who will say anything to gain power.
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