CNN: U.S. right wing extremists more deadly than jihadists

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"According to a count by the New America Foundation, right wing extremists have killed 34 people in the United States for political reasons since 9/11. (The total includes the latest shootings in Kansas, which are being classified as a hate crime.)

By contrast, terrorists motivated by al Qaeda's ideology have killed 21 people in the United States since 9/11.

(Although a variety of left wing militants and environmental extremists have carried out violent attacks for political reasons against property and individuals since 9/11, none have been linked to a lethal attack, according to research by the New America Foundation.)"
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Murders committed by extremists of political ideologies since 9/11:

Right-Wing: 34
Islamic Fundamentalist: 21
Left-Wing: 0*

*Although the Left-Wing has not committed any murders, it has committed arson.
SOURCE URL: http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/14/opinion/bergen-sterman-kansas-shooting/


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  • Posted by strugatsky 10 years, 8 months ago
    The "author" fails to include the "workplace violence" of Hassan Nidal in Ft. Hood. Just that alone is enough to discredit his entire propaganda piece - what else did he leave out from his "statistics"? But, inadvertently, he does have a point: Al Qaeda is not a threat to the Muslim Brotherhood-friendly administration, with it's Muslim outreach programs and world-wide apologies. People that believe in the Constitution, however, are a threat to a treasonous and criminal junta that is now running the country. And the government, like any other animal, is protecting itself with any means at its disposal, propaganda being one of the most effective.
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  • Posted by khalling 10 years, 8 months ago
    de-bunked by Michelle Malkin. you need to get up earlier in the day-see my post from this morning
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    • Posted by $ 10 years, 8 months ago
      I just read the Michelle Malkin article, and what I got out of it was that a couple of the people who had been classified as "right-wing" might really have been centrists or just anarchists, which would make it difficult to exclusively put them on one wing or the other. So I guess that's a fair point. Perhaps a more nuanced categorization system is needed.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 10 years, 8 months ago
    An animal control officer I knew once told me that German Shepherd Dogs had the highest bite ratio of any species because a misc medium-large wandering dog was generally classified as GSD. Therefore, since most bites were from wandering dogs, GSD were to blame.

    If you label "Neo-Nazi" as "a member of the conservative political group of the US" then your statistics will be skewed. I wonder what the stats would look like if you classified the deeds by whichever political party praised the doers thereof?

    Jan
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  • Posted by buybuydandavis 10 years, 8 months ago
    Which only goes to show how "extremists" are completely irrelevant to the murder stats when compared to the government class and the criminal class.

    How many tens of thousands die each year because of just the FDA?
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  • Posted by NealS 10 years, 8 months ago
    I've realized now that CNN, NBC, ABC, NPR can say anything they want, true or not. They learned it from our president. I can't stomach CNN and others anymore, not even to see what is going on over there, I hope others will join me and continue to leave them and they will not survive much longer.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 10 years, 8 months ago
    Another example of why it does not make sense to group a multitude of political beliefs into two "wings". Many beliefs do not fit into either camp, but often these beliefs are arbitrarily assigned to one "wing" or the other. Libertarians have little in common with statists of either "wing".
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 10 years, 8 months ago
    For a class in "Terrorism for First Responders" I wrote my term paper on the Environmental Liberation Front (and the Animal Liberation Front: ELF and ALF intersect). In my research, I came across the claim that the federal government was engaged in a "Green scare" analogous to the "Red scares" of previous decades. I did not include my research into that into my term paper. However, I did find many cases of right wing, ultra-patriotic, super-conservative, and hyper-patriotic terrorism, including actual firefights (shoot-outs) against police and federal agencies. Yet, actual prison terms given to the conservatives were markedly less or equal to the punishments given to environmentalists for property damage.

    The broad narrative is that the "sovereign citizens" and similar people actually do share much cultural landscape with police: prior military service being easy and mainstream Christian values being another coupled with a romantic flair for "frontier" values of rugged individualism. When wrapped in that conceptual cocoon, the red-white-and-blue butterfly is welcomed while the dirt-worshipping tree-hugging moth is not. We see the same thing here in The Gulch. This is a case in point.

    The problem with Michele Malkin's "debunking" is that it violates an objective standard recognized in law that morality does not trade lives. In other words, if a bank robbery goes bad and a hostage situation devolves, the police cannot try to figure out if the life of one manager is worth the lives of three tellers. The 9/11 attacks took 3000 lives. The Murrah bombing took fewer than 200, but 18 of them were children. What kind of arithmetic does that call for? Are the lives of children worth more or less than those of adults? I reject that. I denounce it as sheer sophistry.

    The fact is that those who harm others justify themselves with a variety of beliefs, all of them found not surprisingly within and of the culture of time and place. How could it be otherwise?

    It remains that the terrorist acts of super-patriots are ignored by conservative just as the Weatherman terrorism is excused by Pres. Barack Obama's core Chicagoans. Whether sovereign citizens took more lives or fewer than jihadists is irrelevant. Both express congruent beliefs.

    What cannot be shown is that Copenhagen physicists bombed the cafes displaying Schoedinger's Cat. But, then, 2000 years ago, Epicureans did not persecute Stoics. In other words, rational people who look to empirical evidence do not resort to violence. Period.
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    • Posted by khalling 10 years, 8 months ago
      One of the problems in looking at each case by case, is that you want to think the media have accurately portrayed motives and justifications behind such crazy, evil acts. Time and time again, it can be shown that the media kneejerks to right wing extremism and eventually most of these claims are proven false. Then people naturally fall into a Boy Who Cried Wolf syndrome and undoubtedly miss some (as opposed to refuse to admit). Take the recent shootings in Kansas City. "Right wing extremist AND KKK member" -well turns out he'd been pretty busy on the internet boards leading up to his heinous act and was citing all sorts of articles and literature from a big dem confidant to H. Clinton. Huh. I also think rational people get tired of being mischaracterized, for example, when those who have never attended a tea party rally, insist that tea partiers are a fringe element and support all kinds of nonsense that the grass roots movement does not. So I can understand when the first reaction upon hearing evidence this was a "right wing terrorist act" is not to believe it.
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      • Posted by $ 10 years, 8 months ago
        The Tea Party essentially just consists of diehard Republicans.

        As for that shooter in Kansas City, what sort of articles was he citing, and what context was he citing them in?
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        • Posted by $ blarman 10 years, 8 months ago
          Actually, the TEA Party consists of those (like me) who are fed up with the Republicans. Diehard Republicans are like Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter - those who support anyone with an R just for that reason.

          TEA Party members are more appropriately called Constitutionalists - and strict Constitutionalists at that. They want a limited government in all forms - elimination of the welfare state, a balanced budget, and tax rates only high enough to support the Constitutional duties of the Federal Government, leaving everything else to the States.

          You won't find a single instance of a TEA party person killing others, but you'll find them in droves peacefully assembling to oppose government bloat and going after politicians - especially Republicans - who support it. Mike Lee (Senator - Utah) is a good example.
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        • Posted by RevJay4 10 years, 8 months ago
          When's the last time you attended a TeaParty rally or bothered actually find out what they are all about? Besides reading the leftist not-news and blogs, adapting their talking points to your own narrative as to what the TeaParty is all about.
          Maph, you get the idea, branch out with your research and dig up the facts instead of just repeating the same old tired mantra.
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    • Posted by strugatsky 10 years, 8 months ago
      I had a similar class about 4 years ago and looked in depth at world-wide statistics on terrorism. Late 20th century through today (at least up to 4 yrs ago), well over 90% of all terrorist acts were comitted by Muslim jihadists. If anyone is interested in sources, let me know and I'll go back to the papers and post it.
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