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  • Posted by Retired24-navy 10 years, 8 months ago
    This is just another disgrace to the veterans who have served all and agreed to give all if needed. The restaurant manager might have a problem if all the USMC "gang" showed up at the same time. He might really find out that they might be pi..ed off at him and could cause some problems if needed.
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  • Posted by $ Snezzy 10 years, 8 months ago
    I read the story, and it seems the Marine resolved the situation. The Marines I've known have tended to be able to generate productive solutions to difficulties, and to do it through their own independent thought.

    Once, during the Clinton administration, I asked a Marine who was doing Toys For Tots outside Walmart what he though of his Commander-in-Chief. Bear in mind that servicemen are not permitted to make any derogatory remarks about their superior officers. He said, "I am proud to serve under the current Commander-in-Chief, and I will be even more proud to serve under the next Commander-in-Chief."
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    • Posted by airfredd22 10 years, 8 months ago
      Re: Snezzy,

      The story didn't quite make clear whether the veterans was able to resolve the issue while trying to have lunch. Did he take off his jacket or did he leave and later spoke with the franchise owner? The story stated that he had not yet spoken to the manager and thereby implying that he had left without his lunch.

      Your story about the toys for Tots Marine was one of the most wonderful quotes regarding our present Commander in Chief I have yet to hear.

      Semper fidelis to you and to him.

      Fred Speckmann
      mailto:commonsenseforamericans@yahoo.com
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  • Posted by scinch 10 years, 8 months ago
    I think many of you are thinking "manager = educated and older."
    Me...I see 20 year old snot nosed "shift manager" who doesn't know shit from Shinola.
    As a teacher, many teens today are more interested in who Eminem is screwing and Miley Cyrus pretending to have sex with foam objects on TV. Whenever I bring up something of importance in class, kids are like...who cares about that S$#T Mr. C.
    Hell, the colors red and blue are off limits in the local Junior High schools.
    Ever seen the kid who wears a baseball cap but it isn't in the team colors? Like red and black for the Yankees. The punk at school is always looking for an angle to get around the rules. So the school just bans the colors.
    And for you business folks...remember some of this shit wouldn't be happening if corporate America would quit peddling this shit as if it was legit. All they see is making a quick $$$$ on a trend.
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    • Posted by airfredd22 10 years, 8 months ago
      Re: scinch,

      I find myself in full agreement with everything you say. However, especially as a teacher, it would behoove you not to get quite so angry and use vocabulary that is best left under your breath. You can't influence youngsters when you don't set an appropriate example. despite my words, I do understand your emotional reaction to this story and I must admit that under my breath I had a few words to say myself.

      Respectfully yours,

      Fred Speckmann
      commonsenseforamericans@yahoo.com
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    • Posted by SRS66East 10 years, 8 months ago
      While I understand and agree with your anger on this subject. I disagree with your blame of corporate America, the bottom line is that if we taught our children correctly at home instead of relying on the schools to impart moral values, we might find that our kids too would say "who cares what Eminem and Miley Cyrus are doing? They matter very little in the grand scheme".
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  • Posted by $ Susanne 10 years, 8 months ago
    And how about that patch he was wearing... the one with the RED and WHITE on it... and, OMG, BLUE as well? Wow... that "gang" must have a lot of clubhouses, I see that same "patch" everywhere, expecially at the top of these huge poles outside of these establishments... Better watch out, I hear those "patchholders" are a vicious lot, ESPECIALLY when confronted by someone who doesn't like their patch, or their supporters...

    If I may quote one Mr. Buggs. W. Bunny, when referring to said clueless manager... "What a maroon!" If they doesn't know what the Eagle, Globe and Anchor is, I know some nice folks downtown who would be happy to send him to this garden spot in North Carolina (or San Diego) for enlightenment! Good times (and memories) Guaranteed... ;)

    Semper Fi, Captain.
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  • Posted by IIGeo2 10 years, 8 months ago
    I doubt seriously that this manager did not know the symbols on the jacket, unless he lives on a mountain without a TV and has never seen a PG13 movie or higher. And showing your veteran status does not mean that you love or encourage war. It shows that you are willing to step up when others may not. I would believe further investigation will reveal the real reason behind the personal targeting of the veteran. I think its time for a Boycott
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  • Posted by RevJay4 10 years, 8 months ago
    The "manager" really had his "duh" on display this day. Bet he regrets being so stupid. Put him back on the dishwasher, he is clearly incapable of being a manager.
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  • Posted by jpellone 10 years, 8 months ago
    As a veteran, I was persecuted many times by civilians that do not understand that the first responsibility of our government is to protect the people through military strength. Everything else the government does is secondary to our National Defense!!! What has happened to this great country is putting labels on everyone. Anyone coming to the United States was required to become an American. Now everyone is labeled African-American, Mexican-American, Jewish-American, etc... When is should be American of ______ descent. You fill in the blank. They should have bowed down to a person that signed his life away to protect the weak people (or cowards) of the United States!!! Anyone who dishonors a veteran should be punished in public. They are the only thing standing between you and tyranny!!! I am one of the original Tea Partiers. I was present at the Alamo with Glenn Beck and Ted Nugent and I was proud to be there. If you think the Tea Party is wrong in wanting to keep America free, then YOU are what is wrong with the people of America!!!
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    • Posted by airfredd22 10 years, 8 months ago
      Re: jpellone,

      Bravo for your statements. I am an immigrant who arrived on these shores in december of 1959 after escaping from East Germany. Even before the wall was built you took your life in your hands when crossing the border. Even as a child I remember the VOPO's, (unformed police) and the secret police, coming aboard the subway before reaching west berlin and pulling people off the train. some were never seen again. When we arrived in the United States, we did our best to learn the language and become American. I've never used the term German American and would correct anyone who called me that to remind them that I am a United States of America citizen and proud to be so. I later joined the U.S. Marine Corps to fight communism in Vietnam.

      I would remind you however that I've never heard a member of the Jewish Faith call themselves Jewish-American, nor have I heard any European use the hyphenated version.

      Respectfully yours,

      Fred Speckmann
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      • Posted by jpellone 10 years, 8 months ago
        LOL, I was just using it as an example. I'm glad you were able to free yourself of the brutality in East Germany and want to thank you for sharing your experience and your service...

        When the left started pushing multi-culturalism, it started a chain reaction which is destroying the dedication and pride of being an American... It has turned many into just citizens of the US instead of Americans.
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  • Posted by SolitudeIsBliss 10 years, 8 months ago
    USMC gang? Really? Please , someone help rescue this nation from stupid!
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    • Posted by Zenphamy 10 years, 8 months ago
      Not only are they thought of as gangs, they've been designated as terrorist by DHS and just recently, a congressman tried to submit a bill to require that combat vets warn their neighbors of their PTSD and possibility that they could go off.

      Starting to remind me of cute little flower child girls standing outside military gates in 1970 calling returning vets baby killers and imperialist pig slaves.
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      • Posted by airfredd22 10 years, 8 months ago
        Re: Zenphamy,

        That's what happens when political correctness has taken over our culture. It is surely time to take a stand and among many others, vote out the idiot congressman you mentioned. If you know his name and others like him, please post them on this site and send me a copy, please.

        Of course I'm reasonably sure that list will start with Harry Read.

        Fred Speckmann
        commonsenseforamericans@yahoo.com
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        • Posted by Zenphamy 10 years, 8 months ago
          Fred: Rep Jim Moran (D) Virginia

          The Fortify & Unite Communities to Keep Veterans’ External Threats Secure Act (H.R. 1874) which was introduced on Tuesday, would require military veterans to register with the Department of Homeland Security and periodically “check-in” with a case officer, in addition to going door-to-door in their neighborhood to notify people nearby that they are a powder keg of post traumatic stress, alcoholism, murder, and hate just waiting to blow.
          Read more at http://visiontoamerica.com/17303/lawmake...
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          • Posted by airfredd22 10 years, 8 months ago
            Re: Zenphamy,
            This is the same idiot Congressman that was crying the blues a few weeks ago that congressmen don't make enough money and can't live on $140,000 plus. This clown definitely needs to get voted out and soon. furthermore a lot of veterans need to move in next to his house so that they can scare the hell out of this jerk.

            Fred
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  • Posted by scinch 10 years, 8 months ago
    Wait a minute here...why in the hell am I posting anything on a message board on a holiday. I should be in the other room with my family. Geez I must have no life to act like a low life. See you guys later...Happy "Fertility Festival" Easter.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years, 8 months ago
    The manager can't be "expected to know the difference..." yet he qualified himself in the know enough to make a judgement on his patches. Make up your Mr. P Hut.
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  • Posted by $ Mimi 10 years, 8 months ago
    “Marine claims he went into a local pizza hut and yada-yada, yada” What is local for this story? If the store is in the middle of Watts, then maybe the request was not so far- fetched. There’s not enough information to form an opinion one way or the other.
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    • Posted by Retired24-navy 10 years, 8 months ago
      Maby the Marine should get 25 or so of his "gang" members together and all go party for several hours there.
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      • Posted by $ Mimi 10 years, 8 months ago
        Oh, hey, I didn’t mean to imply in that situation that the marine had no just cause, but that the story lacks factual details and as far as we know -- there was no marine and the story never happened. it’s just not credibly written.

        But, hypothetically, if a marine walks into a restaurant with his badges --he gets to keep his jacket as far as I am concerned.
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    • Posted by airfredd22 10 years, 8 months ago
      re: Mimi,

      You are correct about the lack of thorough information, but that the manager couldn't tell the difference between several Marine Corp patches and gang patches is just absurd and shows bad judgment in choosing a manager on the part of the owner of that store.

      Even gang bangers usually are smarter than to think those emblems are from rival gangs.

      Fred Speckmann
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      • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 8 months ago
        This seems like a set up. Either a Pizza Hut competitor (unethical at the very least), or a shill for some linked web-site (I see RARE listed below, the version that I saw when I searched on Wisconsin Veteran Restaurant, only had a very vague reference and no web-site links) which is dishonest and stupid. Caveat Emptor.
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      • Posted by $ Mimi 10 years, 8 months ago
        Well, I went to read the original story on the website RARE, which I believe was the whole purpose of the online story --to link you to the other site. The marine in the story even uses a fake name for his FaceBook page where this supposedly viral story was first posted. But then RARE claims that they know the name of the vet and that this happened in Wisconsin. A lil more info but still...What if this is just a publicity stunt for RARE?

        I did have the opposite happen a few times. I have an embroidered jean jacket that often the emblem covering the back of the jacket is mistaken for the Marine Corps when in fact it is a crest displaying the four house symbols for the Hogwarts School of Wizardry.
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        • Posted by airfredd22 10 years, 8 months ago
          Re; Mimi,
          It is certainly possible that the story may be a fake, however, the reason it is of such repugnance to all vets and all decent people is that we now live in a society where these signs of disrespect are in fact common.

          I read the story on RARE as well, but would remind you that if you want to debunk the story, then the responsibility to disprove lies on your shoulders. I have debunked several stories appearing on various websites over the years when I read a report that just didn't sound right. I encourage you to do whatever research to either prove or disprove the validity of this story.

          I must also question your own claim regarding your experience of anyone who would mistake your jacket with the Hogwarts School of Wizardry being mistaken for Marine corps emblems. of course since there is no information as to when, where and witnessed by whom, it's impossible to prove it other than based on your own veracity.

          Fred speckmann
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          • Posted by $ Mimi 10 years, 8 months ago
            ? I find your response going in the wrong direction. It’s not my job to debunk a story. I don’t give credence to any story of any nature that doesn’t provide the who, what where, and when. The facts, simply.

            I don’t like stories that are meant to direct traffic to a website using faux-outrage. Is this one of those stories? Maybe, I really don’t know. The story didn’t provide the who, where, or when, so the stage is set. Let’s just leave it at that.
            Our vets have enough real serious issues to deal with without being used as pawns for advertising purposes if that is the case. Our vets issues are more complex and overwhelming on scale than having to deal with some naive, under-educated Pizza Hut manager. My image of a marine doesn’t include behaving indignant over a small trifle. Should I lower my expectations? Of course if we were talking about a WW2 vet then the Pizza Hut manager should have had a clue the ex-marine probably wasn’t in a gang, and I will happily provide the marshmallows if someone wants to roast the idiot.

            I still have the jacket.I didn’t get the mistake myself. It doesn’t look anything like the Marine Corp emblem. I guess I could post a shot later or something, but I suspect you weren’t really asking for more information; your intent was to be snarky. Right?
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            • Posted by khalling 10 years, 8 months ago
              fred,
              I'm with mimi on this. the story is heresay. the manager accused was not interviewed, the vets jacket not shown, etc. It reads weak. I'm not saying it didn't happen just as stated, but why so weak when it's probably quite easy to get down to the nitty gritty. Seems kinda smear Pizza Hut to me. My little kids were once asked to remove bandanas (red and blue) because they were gang colors. It's absurd. But then I never had gang related incidents happen around me where I was in charge of maintaining order for a business establishment. It's a weak story and a little bit of false outrage. It's not about disrespecting vets that I could see.
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              • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 8 months ago
                One of the articles identifies that this happened in Wisconsin, so I checked the various news outlets and couldn't find anything. Seems very suspicious to me.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 8 months ago
    Is it unreasonable for a manager to enquire of a patron as to the meaning of their attire? I think not, particularly in areas where such attire might have antagonistic intentions. However, the manager should take the explanation, demeanor and reasonableness of the situation into account in their decision. The patron can then decide on whether to continue their patronage or not.
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    • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years, 8 months ago
      Exactly... assess and make a reasonable decision... the manager, it seems, feels a bit entitled, or powerful, or assuming, because he CAN, not because it benefits the business. People never cease to amaze me.
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    Posted by TheTraveller 10 years, 8 months ago
    a) The manager/owner of any privately owned property must be free to provide or refuse service without explanation.

    b) Only a sociopath takes pride in having been trained and deployed as a professional killer by an organization which derives all of its funding from violent extortion and fraud.
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    Posted by Rozar 10 years, 8 months ago
    They are gang symbols.....
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    • Posted by IIGeo2 10 years, 8 months ago
      They are not and they are certified as official symbols by the US Congress passed into law and symbols of honor and courage. I am really shocked at some of the comments here and usually expect more from people of the Gulch. "Freedom for the Protector, has a meaning the Protected will never understand."
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      • Posted by Rozar 10 years, 8 months ago
        I guess you define "gang" in a different way. I view it as a group of people who all associate under a certain Creed/idealogy/geographical area. Certification doesn't really mean anything. I can certify the crips as honorary members of society, but that doesn't mean anything to you. Just like the government certifying killers means nothing to me. The crips probably tell their members to fight with honor and courage as well.

        That's a wise quote. But I don't see how a group of people can say they are protecting my freedom by forcing me to pay them to do so. How do I opt out?
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        • Posted by $ 10 years, 8 months ago
          Original slogan of the Boston Tea Party: "No taxation without representation!"
          Slogan of the modern Tea Party: "No taxation!"

          Methinks the original tea partiers understood something the modern iteration doesn't...
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          • Posted by khalling 10 years, 8 months ago
            Clearly, you do NOT know what the tea party stands for. They have never said "no taxation." what nonsense. They may question arbitrary taxation, they certainly think they are not getting representation compared to those who do not pay taxes-in fact they are openly discriminated against for producing! They take huge issue with the govt printing money and the huge debt your grandchildren will still be paying off.
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            • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years, 8 months ago
              "they certainly think they are not getting representation compared to those who do not pay taxes-in fact they are openly discriminated against for producing!"
              BRILLIANT! :) (Discriminated against AND persecuted!...and Maph is part of it.)
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          • Posted by Rozar 10 years, 8 months ago
            In fact lets try this. I'm curious about your position Maph. What do you think they understood that the current Tea Party fails to understand? Also, I never got an answer from you about why women require a more nuanced approach.

            Maybe you forgot to answer but if you need a refresher here is the link

            http://www.galtsgulchonline.com/posts/6c...
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            • Posted by $ 10 years, 8 months ago
              My point is that the original Boston Tea Party wasn't necessarily opposed to taxation per se, but merely opposed to the idea of taxes being imposed on them by an external body where they didn't have a voice. The tea tax which lead to the Boston Tea Party was only a 3% tax, but it was imposed by the British parliament, where the American colonists didn't have a voice, and THAT'S what angered them. If they had had a delegate or representative in the British parliament to represent them, or if the tax has been imposed by their local government, I think the colonists would not have objected to the tea tax, and the Boston Tea Party never would have happened.

              That's different from the modern Tea Party, which just doesn't want to pay any taxes at all, regardless of whether they have any representation or not.

              In short, the original Boston Tea Party was merely opposed to lack of representation, while the modern Tea Party is opposed to taxation itself.
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              • Posted by airfredd22 10 years, 8 months ago
                Re: Maphesdus,

                You have your history correct but you miss your understanding of the present day Tea Party by a mile.

                In fact one of the complaints of the Tea Party is that congress no longer represents them by continuously raising the debt and thereby clearly not representing the public in a responsible manner. I have never heard a Tea Party member stating that they are unwilling to be taxed, only not to excess and being ignored by the Congress.

                Fred Speckmann
                commonsenseforamericans@yahoo.com
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              • Posted by Rozar 10 years, 8 months ago
                Well said, although I don't think many people in the tea party are for abolishing taxes all together. I wouldn't know for sure, but I know that I'M for abolishing all taxes, and I probably would have made a stronger connection with the modern tea party if they were as well.

                Do you know much about the whiskey rebellion? From what I heard it's ironic that we had a revolution over taxes and then the newly formed government immediately put a 25% tax on whiskey.
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                • Posted by airfredd22 10 years, 8 months ago
                  Re: Rozar,
                  You are correct as to the whiskey tax, but incorrect as to the difference between the two situations.

                  "No Taxation without Representation," ultimately was the spark that began the Revolutionary War. The whiskey tax was passed under the new national government with representation in the new Congress. perhaps it might have been a view into the future tax policires of this nation and it wasn't good.

                  Fred speckmann
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                • Posted by $ 10 years, 8 months ago
                  I don't know much about the whiskey rebellion, unfortunately. Though now that we've gotten onto the subject, I'm kind of intrigued, and I would like to learn more about it. Do you happen to know much?

                  Anyway, I think there will always be a need for some kind of taxation. I can see a legitimate argument against a permanent income tax, but things like sales tax, capital gains tax, import duty taxes, etc., will always have a legitimate place in government.
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                  • Posted by $ stargeezer 10 years, 8 months ago
                    Maph - Have you studied any American history? Colonial period through 1820 would cover it and the background. The importance is that it lead to the establishment of the interstate commerce law, Act, commission and the laws that regulate the movement of goods between the states and how the feds tax it.
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          • Posted by Rozar 10 years, 8 months ago
            I don't speak for the Tea Party nor do I particularly like them, but since your are inferring to me and my ilk I would say we understand something they failed to see. I don't see why this has all deteriorated into such aggression. People marking things as spam and everyone name calling.

            You don't know what I understand, nor I you. If you think I am failing to see something feel free to bring it up, ask me what my thoughts are or what my position is. Try furthering the discussion instead of this tit for tat nonsense.
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            • Posted by airfredd22 10 years, 8 months ago
              Re: rozar,

              Since I don't know whom you were responding to and knowing that it wasn't me since I posted to you after your comment above, I would however remind you that responses can only be based on your own posts. If a point is not clear, it can be easily misunderstood and lead writers down a wrong path.

              With few exceptions people seem to intend to further discussions and I believe it to be unfair of you to arbitrarily denying that fact.

              I personally wished that in order to avoid this kind of confusion, a reference as to whom the response is directed would be included in these posts.

              Thank you for your consideration,

              Fred Speckmann
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            • Posted by $ 10 years, 8 months ago
              I apologize, I didn't mean to imply that you were part of the modern Tea Party movement. I was just talking about the issue of taxation and its connection to the Tea Party.
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          • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 10 years, 8 months ago
            Hello Maphesdus,
            Really? I can not find that slogan as a universally adopted "plank". I find many others, but the only universal is the Acronym itself (TEA-Taxed Enough Already).
            Respectfully,
            O.A.
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        • Posted by IIGeo2 10 years, 8 months ago
          It is something you will just never understand then. So by the same way, Police, Fire and EMT services are also options you can opt out of as well? People have a fundamental right to believe as they will. And I respect your right to believe as you will. I would like to thank our veterans for the sacrifice that they have made and continue to make and for insuring that all persons maintain the right to speak as they believe.

          As a courtesy I have researched an "OPT out" Option for you.

          http://travel.state.gov/content/travel/e...
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          • Posted by Rozar 10 years, 8 months ago
            That's a pretty bold statement, "It is something you will just never understand then." After reading two of my paragraphs you surmise that you understand something that I don't, and not only that, but I will NEVER understand it in the next 50 odd years of my life. You must be psychic.

            I'm glad that you assert I have a right to believe what I want. I don't mind in the slightest that you disagree with my position. And you know what? I would never force you to support my position. I wish you would grant me that right, to ACT on my beliefs. As grateful as it must be for you to allow me to think what I like, it doesn't do me much good when you support the people who don't let me act on those beliefs.
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          • Posted by Rozar 10 years, 8 months ago
            Thank you for that. I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but point E. on that website states that I will still have to pay taxes to the government. So even if I leave they are still going to force me to pay them. So I fail to see how this is the option to opt out.
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    • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 8 months ago
      Agreed. A good gang!
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      • Posted by Kath 10 years, 8 months ago
        Good gang, bad gang. Still a gang. A government sanctioned gang. The restaurant managers were within their rights but they were being silly. Isn't the ability to read a prerequisite for a Pizza Hut manager job?
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        • Posted by airfredd22 10 years, 8 months ago
          Re: Kath,

          Have we really sunk so low in this once proud nation that military service in providing security for this nation and its citizens as the Constitution requires of the government is now equated with criminal gangs. If that's the case, then I fear for the future of this nation more than ever.

          Fred Speckmann
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        • Posted by scinch 10 years, 8 months ago
          It's fast food for god sake...you don't have to think. Do some research and you'll find that every job in a fast food restaurant is replaceable in under three minutes. Manager doesn't equal brains. Only someone who can run a shift for the owner.
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