The danger in the market: Fed out of tricks and stagflation looming

Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 8 months ago to Economics
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"Our stimulus, which was launched in the wake of the 2008 crash, may have prevented a deeper contraction in the short term, but it also prevented the economy from purging the excesses of artificial boom that preceded the crash."

When you don't purge the boil, you get a more general and damaging infection. If the market isn't allowed to correct for poor decision-making, the problem just gets worse.
SOURCE URL: http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/peterschiff/2016/02/23/the-feds-nightmare-scenario-n2123245/page/full


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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 8 months ago
    Whatever you call it is going to devalue the buying power again and probably by at least another third, Far from preventing it put the inevitable conclusion off but will exact a much higher price. The boil is still in evidence
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 8 years, 8 months ago
    The 2008 stimulus prevented a depression. Also - everybody has forgotten that the Executive and Legislative branches play a major role in our economy. The Fed's jurisdiction only goes so far in terms of keeping the economy going.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago
      You'd find many economists who argue that the depression happened anyways and was prolonged by the efforts of the Fed. It took more than six years for the jobs lost in the 2008 recession to be made back - normally it takes two. And when one adds on population growth, one can argue that we're still only breaking even now and nowhere close to economic growth.

      Do the Executive and Legislative branches of government play a major role in the economy? Yes. The real question, however, is should they.

      Analysis of history shows that when Calvin Coolidge did nothing and allowed the markets to correct in the 1920's that they literally "roared" back from the interference of Woodrow Wilson. Compare that to the malaise caused by Hoover and Roosevelt in the 30's and how it stretched well into the 40's. The economy then took a major hit in the 70's after the introduction of the "Great Society" programs under LBJ which we are still suffering from today. Look at the marginal improvement under Reagan compared to Carter for another example of how the best economic policy is to get government out of the way. And the latest example is to look at the costs to the economy of all the government regulation: a cost which the GAO currently tallies at over a Trillion dollars annually and growing with every rule laid down by the Executive Branch.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 8 months ago
    Fed has more tricks out there. There is a lot of wealth still available for looting to keep them in power. Look at Venezuela for a glimpse of what's going to happen here if we don't stop the insanity of Hillary and sanders. Our only real electable chance this election is trump. Too bad people in this forum are not understanding it is either trump or certain destruction with Hillary/ sanders
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 8 months ago
    The market, following or controlled by progressive think-less-ing honors more that are stupid, corrupt or criminal than those that are competent, integrated and guided by value creating principals.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 8 months ago
    This is just distraction material. They publish the inflation that they want to publish. My guess is the fed will be continuing the deflation they have been promoting and this article is camouflage. The dollar could fall if there was a reason, like lots of dollars chasing goods or if the dollar was weaker than the rest of the fiat garbage in the world, but i don't see that reality at this time.
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    • Posted by scojohnson 8 years, 8 months ago
      It's misleading on several fronts, while I'm not a fan of what the Fed is doing, I also understand they are doing what they 'can', and I agree, the 'shovel ready stimulus' was a bunch of BS anyway, in my area it turned into 10 guys with a shovel building a sidewalk for 8 months instead of 4 or 5 guys for a couple of weeks.

      That being said, one of the things they track are consumer price indexes - which in my opinion, are skewed anyway. The Chinese manipulate currency to push the prices of their products artificially low to the American market, many people prefer organic foodstuffs these days (and I do - they taste better) and but pushes the average cost of whatever higher when cheaper alternatives are still present.

      Fuel is always a variable, but the states tweak their per gallon VAT, so its inconsistent from year to year in terms of the 'real' cost of something versus the taxation on it.

      I can go to the farmers market these days (in California at least) and buy anything for the same or less in terms of produce cost than it was 10 years ago. The changes are an increasingly convenience-driven economy.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago
      "The dollar could fall if there was a reason..."

      One of the things the author was pointing out, however, was exactly that and the evidence was the inflation numbers. He's not apologizing for the Fed at all - he's pointing out that their policies were stop-gap at best and would do nothing to address the real problems - problems which still lie before us.
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      • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 8 months ago
        The author proposes (or assumes) that the published numbers have validity and he wants to convince us that they portend a danger of stagflation. I think the numbers are staged for effect, and that the danger of inflation without a massive amount of credit reaching credit starved consumers is negligible. Weakness in the dollar is also dependent on that scenario along with a sudden strength in the Euro and Renminbi. Something will have to cause that strength to appear as well, and the current market shows no signs of it. The economies of Europe and China are weak. Their currencies aren't going to get stronger on that weakness without some other event happening. Accelerating energy and commodity prices? That is the only thing that raises prices without the fed putting cash in consumers pockets which is the only hope of the economy improving. Is he saying that now consumers have more to spend and that will boost demand, or consumers have less to spend which limits inflationary effects?
        i don't think the author builds a case and his conclusions are not supported by the article.
        Schiff has made some good observations in the past. I just don't see his rationale here.
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        • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago
          The other thing that can cause stagflation is when demand drops but the prices can not drop because of input costs like minimum wage. Remember minimum wage hikes almost always cause inflation because they devalue work by placing an artificial floor on its value. This usually forces the market to compensate by making everything more expensive so that purchasing power comes back to some degree. But these forces are like plate tectonics - they are in opposition and one must give sooner or later.

          I would also point out that economists for quite some time have been lamenting the fact that most of the QE money hadn't really trickled down into the economy yet, which was why we hadn't seen inflation due to an expanding money supply. It may be just getting there now.

          I think the author also points out correctly the fact that we are much more leveraged as a nation even than we were in 2008.

          What isn't pointed out in the article is that two of the main three legs of investment are currently in really bad shape. Bonds are in the toilet as returns are near zero - especially on Treasuries. The Housing market is still trying to recover from its original malaise (though there are plenty who say that's over and done with, all one has to do is look at median home prices). And stocks - despite all that extra investment money are still historically bad for a year start.

          I guess we'll wait and see. I'll bet that by June or July we'll see if there is anything to his prognostications or not.
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