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Life, or Death? by Robert Gore

Posted by straightlinelogic 8 years, 10 months ago to Philosophy
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This plays into the hands of the depraved. To say to them: “I’m sure you have the best of intentions,” is to lose the argument before it begins. It acknowledges the beneficence and nobility in which they rhetorically cloak themselves, when their motives are anything but beneficent or noble. Those who would oppose them are left to wonder why their irrefutable arguments and prescient predictions of failure have the same effect as pebbles bounced against castle walls. However, even when it occurs to them that perhaps the disastrous results were exactly what was intended, social opprobrium and the power of the “benefactors” generally prevents them from voicing their suspicions. Obamacare is clearly designed to fail and pave the way for a single payer system, but only a handful of its critics, and none of its proponents, will come right out and say so.

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  • Posted by mia767ca 8 years, 10 months ago
    Robert....excellent summary of why the "conservatives and libertarians" are losing the battle..."best of intentions"...

    I start all my conversations with calling a "spade a spade"...and defining what we are talking about...I was in debate in high school and my major in college was philosophy...in debate and philosophy the primary saying was..."define or be defined"...win that battle and the rest follows...
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 8 years, 10 months ago
    All governments make bad, destructive decisions which are the end result of earlier bad decisions. Read The Guns of August to follow the European slide into the Great War, and the subsequent Versailles agreement that laid the seed for WW II.

    I could take this example all the way back to the Peloponnesian War, but I think you see my point. The flaw is the basic international structure of nation's commitments to immutable promises: once event A happens, result B must follow, or that nation loses credibility. Witness the continuing deterioration of the global "Pax Americana" following the failure of President Obama's "red line" threat against Bashar Assad. The question is whether or not national leaders should feel obligated to make absolutist statements, or commit to unconditional, inevitable actions, when the data surrounding the trigger events is less than crystal clear (Russian action in Ukraine, whether or not Assad's forces or rebels were the guilty party in use of poison gas).

    Your psychophilosophical determination that somehow these decisionmakers are nihilist and self destructive is questionable. I can't make out if you're building a case for pacifism or anarchy (which is a neighbor of objectivism). Do we trust that our not getting involved in other nations' conflicts will have better end results, or do we eliminate governmental structure entirely, since the narcissistic power seekers seek to occupy control of those structures?
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    • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 10 months ago
      "eliminate governmental structure entirely, since the narcissistic power seekers seek to occupy control"
      How about limiting the damage using the method that Jefferson and the anti-federalists had in mind: decentralized government with very limited power.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 8 years, 10 months ago
    Hear hear - I hate the "best intentions" BS. Of course the people saying that often agree with their destroyers on morality. Even Jack Kemp use to say this.

    This is why I cannot say Environmentalist are EVIL often enough.
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  • Posted by wiggys 8 years, 10 months ago
    Robert without reading the full article the reality is that EVERYTHING that the government does IS developed to FAIL from the get go. Then the civil servants that created what ever, obamacare as an example can now work at correcting the initial problems. Of course they will never succeed at the correction but will only create additional problems that in turn will have to be dealt with and again corrected. Now here is a situation that I have observed for several years.
    Soldiers wear boots that retain moisture which becomes a wonderful breeding ground for foot ailments that have led in some cases to trench foot. When it is pointed out to the developing agency Natick Laboratories that the reason for moisture accumulation in the boots is directly related to the use of goretex and thinsulate stifling the movement of moisture out of the boots and therefore these two components should be eliminated they refuse to accept that. So instead the Marines developed a insert to put in boots when you take them off that will dry the interior of the boot. Unfortunately these pads only last for about 10 to 15 uses and they can not work at all if the temperature goes below 32 degrees.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 10 months ago
    I knew from the outset that Obamacare was a fraud. However, I was fool enough to think that it was just liberal crap as usual. I couldn't believe Obama was so devious, it took me a couple of days to realize that they were so rotten as to foist this road to single payer on the public, causing more grief than benevolence. I have to admit I was taken in because I simply didn't want to admit to the depravity of those horrorshows in DC.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 10 months ago
    Excelent.
    I will add: To be or not to be, to gain conscience or not, to become conscious, human and gain an immortal identity or hold close an ego for distruction, disorder, chaos; having been measured and found wanting...that is the question.
    There are those that chose the latter because they fear the soveriegn responsibility thinking they can avoid the consequences. It very well may be a sickness.
    However, those we should fear the most are those born this way with reccessive genes gone wild.
    Yes, evil is an apt assessement indeed.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 10 months ago
    I must be clairvoyant. As soon as Obama made that deal to increase the prices and deductibles under Obamacare, I knew that the real desire was to expand medicare as a cheaper alternative to the private insurance companies.
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  • Posted by Bethesda-gal 8 years, 10 months ago
    Gosh SLL. I had such high hopes reading your excerpt above but found ur article jumped right into the deep end of moral equivalency between communism and freedom. I wish you had just focused on the pitfalls of Obamacare. And I still wouldn't go so far as to say thay 'they' don't want man's survival b/c they don't really want their own survival. I've seen how strong the human biological urge is to survive even in the face of imminent death. I ascribe the poor choices and disbelief of ultimate outcome to cognative dissonance, not nihlism.
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  • Posted by jimjamesjames 8 years, 10 months ago
    Intentions are irrelevant; outcomes are.
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    • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 10 months ago
      I almost agree with you, jjj. While there are situations where intentions count, too much weight is given to them in general.

      Jan
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      • Posted by jimjamesjames 8 years, 10 months ago
        Agree, Jan. Nevertheless, those that rely on "But it's for the children, the environment, future generations, social justice, economic justice," etc. et al. are comfortable wallowing in that excuse for their failures. One of my greatest pleasures is when I hear one of them say, "But I didn't think THAT would happen." Which is a rare event, for sure.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 10 months ago
    Since it's only objective seems to be utter and complete destruction of the any and all systems.
    and since Barak means lightning the destroyer

    so question? What are the all powerful insurance companies doing to protect their turf?
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    • Posted by blackswan 8 years, 10 months ago
      What did the banks do to protect THEIR turf? They got bought out - coopted. Notice how all of these government schemes are ladled with perverse incentives.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 10 months ago
        the big ones made a deal with the feds and ganged up on the little one's but then like union members little banks and other are not part of the ruling class of Socialism.

        Right now the only part that hasn't weighed in by word or deed but is sending signals is the military part of the government....

        whoever wins better learn to pay their security forces and read the oath of office carefully. the actives watch how the retirees are treated

        and the DOHS doesn't have a long enough dick to get in pissing contest with the military

        Personally i'd let loose the dogs of war yesterday

        and be completely within the law

        legal and required counter revolution.
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