Bastiat: Legal Plunder

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Bastiat: Legal Plunder
Our government uses force to perpetrate “Legal Plunder” every day.
The purpose of government is to protect the individual. Property is an extension of the individual. Money is property.


Published on Mar 18, 2014
Imagine you and I are strolling down the street one fine day on our way to have a nice lunch and we come across a woman who is truly destitute. She needs many things including food to feed her baby. Imagine also that you just cashed a check and you know, and I know, that you have $200.00 in your pocket.
Now imagine that I decide that you should give the 200 dollars to the woman. (Remember, she is truly needy.) So I take out my handgun and I order you, at gunpoint, to turn over the 200 to the woman. Not wanting your brains splattered all over the street, you comply.
But it's not over. Let's just say that I am so moved by this woman's situation...
http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/03/conver...


Respectfully,
O.A.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 10 years, 9 months ago
    It's not just that it's legal plunder. It's that the plunderer, even if motivated to help the destitute woman, will sooner or later (sooner) justify to himself and others that he needs to scalp a portion of what he collects before passing it on to cover his expenses and lost earnings caused by the time he devotes to this 'worthwhile' project. At that point it becomes thuggery and gangsterism. What pretended morality of the actions used to initially justify are eroded, and the law becomes self-serving in addition to it's initial wrongness.

    The cost to society is a complete break in any respect for law. There's no rule of law at that point, only the rule of 'I say so because…' That is anarchy under color of governance. But who's at fault - is it the taker, or is it the failure to defend in the first part? The only answer has to be, at the next scheduled time to deliver your money, go buy a bigger gun and use it.
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      Posted by Boborobdos 10 years, 9 months ago
      What of the woman and her child?

      Will you allow them to die?

      If not who should bear the load of taking care of them?
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      • Posted by $ Snezzy 10 years, 9 months ago
        I will not stop you from helping them, nor from asking others to join in with you.

        This is not idle talk. If you do not already contribute to the Salvation Army, then you probably should. They are one of the best charities that I know.

        As an atheist I do not much support religion, but I think the SA are just fine. If all government welfare were ended (we can hope!) then the Salvation Army would be one of the first to step in and take over.

        Drop money into the bell-ringer's red bucket every Christmas!
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        • Posted by 10 years, 9 months ago
          Hello Snezzy,
          I agree. I contribute to charities and offer employment. This is how I help others. I would offer what help I could of my own free will, but for government or anyone else to demand and extort through force my benevolence is not benevolence. It is theft!
          Regards,
          O.A.
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          Posted by Boborobdos 10 years, 9 months ago
          Ah, you would not help but presume others would. Interesting.

          Salvation Army, United Way, Red Cross, Shriners' Hospitals, Catholic Health Care, and bunches of others do excellent work.

          But it seems that "others" are who is relied upon to help those truly in need. Do you see that as selfish?
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          • Posted by plusaf 10 years, 9 months ago
            Where can you show that OA or Snezzy said they would not help? I didn't see that AT ALL. They said they'd help through donations to organizations that would deliver aid to 'the destitute' and seem to encourage you, me and everyone else to do the same. I do donate to many charities and organizations, and I try to keep a few $20 bills in my glove compartment to hand out to streetcorner beggars, unemployed, etc.

            But I do NOT like anyone who comes along telling me to donate or how much or forcing me to do so.
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  • Posted by overmanwarrior 10 years, 9 months ago
    "It is impossible to introduce into society a greater evil than this: the conversion of the law into an instrument of plunder."

    By that definition, we are a very evil culture.

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    • Posted by 10 years, 9 months ago
      We have allowed evil to flourish. We must now fight all the harder.
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      • Posted by straightlinelogic 10 years, 9 months ago
        That was a great article, but I take issue with your post. We have not allowed evil to flourish. That implies some sort of collective guilt for those of us who have oppose legalized plunder, but have only our arguments against their guns. We will continue the fight in the best ways we know how (as you know I write novels and have a website). Ultimately, if our arguments do not carry the day, reality will. Coercion and plunder are not durable bases for government, which is why they all have failed. When ours does, we will be in a position to propose and fight for a government subordinated to the protection of liberty and individual rights, a moral government.
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  • Posted by Non_mooching_artist 10 years, 9 months ago
    Great article. We are solely responsible for our own actions, but that is just logic. The way laws get twisted to benefit the ruling class, so their plunder is then turned into a benefit for the greater good, is criminally malevolent.
    Thanks for the post, OA.
    NMA
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 10 years, 9 months ago
    Great message! We need more arguments like this reminding people that the government is simply forcing people to comply with group-think.

    However, it will be a a much stronger message when without biblical scripture in the background, which is completely unrelated, and a majority of the same well-meaning socialists standing to be swayed view it as similar, unyielding intrusion into their social freedoms.
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  • Posted by monalisaturberville1957 10 years, 9 months ago
    This is wonderfully written work. Thank you.
    While we do not share responsibility, we each are responsible. Charity begins at home. Why if your house is not seen after how can you help another profitably, It cannot work. The balance must be there or all will fail. Any thing done for another, given to another, must be so done with gladness of heart. Neither can prosper, the giver nor taker.
    During the time when Rand wrote AS, she saw the government doing exactly the way she wrote it. She left Russia to start a new life in America only to find that the America she imagined did not exist. She saw this great country being taken apart bill by bill, law by law. The book she so lovingly wrote was one of desperation resulting from disappointment. While the book is a work of fiction the meaning is not.
    Our great Nation is holding on by a thread that is itself becoming weak under pressure, without the nutrition necessary to sustain her. No government whom devises means of legal plunder to rule over others will prosper. It is impossible.
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    • Posted by tpatter4 10 years, 9 months ago
      Right, charity is not meant to be forced at gunpoint. It is then theft (against the "giver") and no longer charity. The poor are not so because there are those who are rich. It's not a zero-sum game, but this is what is being taught.
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      • Posted by monalisaturberville1957 10 years, 9 months ago
        The reason it is being taught is because of the vast number of people that are poor. No one has to be poor. I am firm believer that you can do what ever you set your mind too. We are not all born with a silver spoon in our mouths. There are far more whom have made wealth that did not come from money than there are that did. We are in a country that has so invested our money in far too many freebees that only enable the receiver to remain a receiver instead of a contributor.
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        • Posted by tpatter4 10 years, 9 months ago
          Meanwhile, our national defense is being put on the back burner. These are frightening times, indeed. The producers/innovators are being penalized (taxes, regulations), the citizens are being penalized (Obama"care" tax/penalty). Freedom is not a given. We have to defend it daily.
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          • Posted by monalisaturberville1957 10 years, 9 months ago
            As a retired naval person I have a deep insight concerning what has happening with our military. Just before the decision was made to retire high ranking persons were more like baby sitters than soldiers of war. The standard operational procedure is no longer as it was. The military has become weakened by bleeding heart bureaucrats. Instructors cannot scream, cuss or toughen new enlistees. By far they are to be coddled. I would not want to depend upon the majority to have my back let alone defend my country. While there are those that are strong mentally and physically, there are far too many that run crying every time they get their feelings hurt. The truth within our military is far more frightening than civilians know. I have more faith in the every day gun owner and hunter. Our country has the largest private army in the world. Why do you think they are after our guns? It has nothing to do with the violence told via the news, no, it is all about fear that we should unite and fight. There are over 1 million gun owners aside from the military. It is they the bleeding hearts in our government, whom have weakened our military on purpose. Why else would a government create a manual of training for military personal that" forbids" officers and chiefs to force those under them to follow the rules should it be done with harsh words. I am serious that is exactly how it is in this new military that is supposed to protect US! This new military we have can throw fits like a child and know that nothing can be done to them. Nay I will call my fellow hunter, gun owner before I would look to the new military to protect me.
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            • Posted by tpatter4 10 years, 9 months ago
              Guns are only incidentally for hunting. They are first and foremost, to protect us from those who would harm us, including and especially the government. Forbidding harsh words...I fear we've become too soft, in too many ways.
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  • Posted by $ Stormi 10 years, 9 months ago
    "The Law" is one of my favorites. Our daughter read it in junior high school (at home) and told friends about it, then asked if we had copies to share. I was in the habit of buying such books in quantity (including "Anthem"), just to get kids to read. Anyone who wanted one, got a copy.
    We have a Sheriff here who seems to be involved in the drug trade, and to up his profits apparently, has declared an intention to decriminalize drug use, ignoring the law.. He has ignored the plunder of the multi-hundred dollar a day cost per user that results is supported by the retailers and homeowners, whose stolen property funds those drug buys. He needs to be gone, and I have gone to writing letters to the editor protesting, within the law, his abusive decisions. I have the ear of city council now, and one editor. Luckily, we have an excellent, and lawful Chief of Police who is against this guy's self-indulgence.
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    • Posted by 10 years, 9 months ago
      Hello Stormi,
      Good to know there are others out there fighting the battle and trying to illuminate.
      Regards,
      O.A.
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      • Posted by tpatter4 10 years, 9 months ago
        Hi, OA. I haven't been on the site since the "old days" (AS1 site). Nice to see you're still here. We'll keep fightin' the fight! Unfortunately, I'm between jobs (got laid off, so I'm working all over the place as an adjunct), which keeps me from visiting much.

        I'm excited for the new Atlas Shrugged movie, and I found my own way to contribute to the cause of liberty:

        Feel free to sample my new ebook, Whisper Independence.
        http://www.amazon.com/Whisper-Independen...
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        • Posted by 10 years, 9 months ago
          Hello tpatter4,
          Long time no hear! Best of success with your book. I have put it on my list. Do you have any plans for ink on paper? I prefer it that way and I also like to display my conquests proudly on my ever expanding bookshelves. We have some great authors here. Besides my usual parade of dry subject matter, their books (of a much more entertaining nature) keep me out of trouble and well read. :)
          Always good to hear from you.
          Regards,
          O.A.
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          • Posted by tpatter4 10 years, 9 months ago
            OA,
            I will have to pursue the print option. Anyone have experience with the best way to go with print? Success stories? Horror stories? Thanks, OA--I appreciate your interest in Whisper Independence. Have you heard from Lipstick on this site? I haven't seen her. I miss hearing from her, but not Commonwealth, heh, heh!
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            • Posted by 10 years, 9 months ago
              Good morning tpatter4,
              You should post a thread inquiring of our resident authors of their experiences with print material.
              Lipstick$ has on rare occasion commented here. I share e-mails with her a couple of times a year. She has commented on my Producer of the Week page from several weeks back. If you reply to one of her comments there, perhaps she will respond.
              We have our own Commonwealths here from time to time, but this forum allows us greater freedom to combat them. :)
              Regards,
              O.A.
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  • Posted by illucio 10 years, 9 months ago
    The whole concept of civilism and statism in law is very complex. Usually, many countries have been driven by civilism and now are noticing the need of public law, condonning to it excess powers in order to "compensate" past mistakes. Civil Rights are a fundamental guarantee for the individual, and must be upheld always. We all know how dangerous it can be to drop these rights over to public laws, that can derive in statism and, well, the excessive control of a very few.

    Nevertheless public law is also crucial, but only as a guarrantee against private abuse, which sometimes too tends to happen. But public law must be prior and only should be used as defense, not as an imposition. When the state begins to approve measures that demean citizens´ rights and seek rent from them, then excess is at hand. A guarantee is not a fine, and a fine should be noted as a contribution and not an obligation. A contribution that, as given, must also give to the contributor a return (receipt, right or credit). Fair is fair, that´s the way I see it.
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  • Posted by Notperfect 10 years, 9 months ago
    Yes Bastiat was and is still a great read.
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    • Posted by 10 years, 9 months ago
      Hello Notperfect,
      It should be required reading for High school civics, or social studies or whatever... the point is that it should be fresh in the minds of young voters when they come of age. Too few are taught anything but progressive statist claptrap nowadays.
      Respectfully,
      O.A.
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      • Posted by Notperfect 10 years, 9 months ago
        You are so right O.A. My daughter took her 3 children out of public school to home school. The rate of their learning is mind boggling. They love the fact that they are taught things that really matter. My grandson asked me one day why I always carry my weapon on me while I was reading the Constitution and studying online. I showed him what I was reading and read the 2nd amendment to him. He is only 9 years old and has a 4th grade reading advancement. He thought that was the coolest thing.Not trying to be biased, but Bastiat and AS should be taught in any institution of higher learning and many others. It's to bad that Common Core has reared it's ugly head. I have told all of my children beware of what is down the road. Finally after the years of talking I think it has set in. Their approval rating of what B.H.O. and company Congress and the Senate not withstanding nil. Thank you and keep helping me as I learn.
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  • Posted by Notperfect 10 years, 9 months ago
    But they say we are just doing this for the children! Only winking at the same time. Whats with the winking, hand over one eye, making a pyramid when finishing their grand performance? Symbols!
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