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Amazing Technology

Posted by richrobinson 8 years, 11 months ago to The Gulch: General
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I just unloaded a trailer of rock salt at work this morning. It was from a company called American Rock Salt out of New York. The driver told me that the entire packaging process is mechanized now. A machine fills and seals the bags. Arms and conveyors move the bags to the pallets. Robotic arms load the pallets(49 bags to a pallet). The pallet then moves to a machine that shrink wraps it and covers it and then moves it out to be stored. Finally a human running a forklift takes the pallet to the warehouse. They have to be quick. They turn out 1 pallet of rock salt every minute. Amazing what technology can do.


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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 11 months ago
    When I was in college, a fellow student made his money by putting together what he called "assemblies.." They were a rivet, a washer, a spring, and a grommet. He'd assemble hundreds of them. They were the button in the car door that turned on the interior light when the door was opened. In those days it was an option, but was included in the more expensive models. That job is long gone, plus every time there is a new automation, hundreds, perhaps thousands of jobs are lost. In a normal free society it is an opportunity for a worker to get another job, perhaps a better one. Today it is an opportunity to receive welfare in all its forms. The lefties will tell you Capitalism doesn't work. What doesn't work is what they think Capitalism is.
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    • Posted by 8 years, 11 months ago
      Crony Capitalism doesn't work. I wonder how the government would react if the automobile was invented today. We would probably subsidize the carriage industry and give them tax incentives to go to China so they could make cheaper carriages. New regulations would probably prevent roads from being paved and service stations being built. Anyone trying to build new fangled automobiles would be investigated, regulated and harassed until they gave up. Amazing anything gets done.
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    • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 11 months ago
      they want to make advancing up the skill ladder (as
      automation provides those opportunities) less attractive
      than taking the dole (from Santa, the Democrat) and
      lying back doing finger-painting for a career. . this
      sustains the power and money of the Ds. -- j
      .
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 8 years, 11 months ago
    A number of years ago I owned and ran an Engineering/Construction Co. One project was to install a computerized warehousing (with inventory-ordering) with a computer controlled conveyor system that pulled the parts required for that days computer printer assembly run and schedule. It then delivered the correct parts to the correct assembly station and then moved the assembly to the next correct station.

    They didn't, at that time, have robotic assemblers with fine enough control to do any of the internal component assembly on the printers. But from parts ordering, storage, routing, delivery, and packaging--it was all automated. Just installing the system and going through startup took about 6 mos with 50 to 60 electricians and 80 to 100 mechanical installers.
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  • Posted by sowen228 8 years, 11 months ago
    Around 2001, I read a article that factories by 2025 would only have two employees, one man and one dog. The man would be there to ensure the machines continued working correctly, feed the dog and hit the shut-down button if something went wrong. The dog was there to bite the man if he reached for the shut-down button. Everyone else associated with keeping the plant running; electricians, programmers, change-out crews, etc. would be contract for one job and move on to the next job. No benefits and no overhead.
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    • Posted by 8 years, 11 months ago
      I like that. We'll need more dog trainers. A customer was telling me that McDonalds would like to completely automate. I have seen pictures of locations where you type your own order in. He was saying they want to have machines cook the food and send it out also. Pretty cool.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 11 months ago
    And the thing is that most people only see the loss of those dockworkers. What they don't see are the computer programmers, machinists, and other skilled positions that get created as a result.
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    • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 11 months ago
      When the Union people hear that they go nuts. In an argument with a union rep. I said that those losing their jobs to automation could re-train and get an even better job. Then, he came up with this brain shattering reply, "Well, what if they don't want to re-train?" Whereupon I replied, "Then they can go to hell for all I care." It wasn't my finest moment, but that response was so utterly liberal-stupid that it was beyond a rational reply.
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 8 years, 11 months ago
    Hello richrobinson,
    My shop is quite automated. My machines are often running with the lights out at night without anyone even monitoring them. We are not a production house though so they aren't able to achieve their full potential; a tool and die maker must write new programs for each new job since every one is unique. My people show up every morning, load their machines, work for eight hours and then leave their machines running overnight. It can be quite impressive to see. They are just buzzing along on their own rapidly shaping something from a block of metal before your eyes... When I started the trade I had to manually turn the handles of my machines and measure every thing with micrometers as I went. When we got digital readouts and no longer had to compensate for backlash my job became much easier. It actually became easier to train people then too. Then CNC machines took over and I needed fewer workers to produce the same volume, but the workers required a different skill set and more training. Then came CAD-CAM programming software on PCs and I had to retrain again. Software updates, new versions... on and on.

    Ah... the Joys of New Toys and the rat race of keeping up. It is a challenge, but it is a labor of love.

    The lesson: The more quantity needed, more repetitive and long lived the task the more efficacious the implementation of automation. That is the future and it will be accelerated, particularly if unskilled labor costs are raised by some means other than market forces.
    Regards,
    O.A.
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    • Posted by 8 years, 11 months ago
      The volume of work that can be accomplished is astounding. All this with the government getting in the way all the time. Where would we be if they got out of the way?
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      • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 8 years, 11 months ago
        Quite a bit more prosperous. The time spent and money lost complying with government mandates and taxation policies is not a trifle. As you know, it is a most heavy burden for small businesses without the resources sufficient to comply without sacrificing production and attention to one's day to day operating needs. Considering the bulk of the jobs being created are by small business, and the burden large businesses have resources for that small businesses do not, it is clear big businesses use cronies in government to foster more regulation, hinder upstart competition and the government is incompetent in its complicity erecting road blocks and diminishing small business opportunities. This translates into fewer jobs for the masses, less innovation and higher prices. I am convinced the bulk of politicos are economic illiterates or on the take.
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        • Posted by 8 years, 11 months ago
          Absolutely. I hate it when I hear a politician say a new regulation only applies to companies with 50 or more employees or something to that effect. The explanation is that it won't hurt small businesses. All the suppliers and manufacturers I buy from have 50 or more employees so it does effect me. It's time we oppose all taxes and regulations.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 11 months ago
    when we mine it with remote-control robots, I will be
    even more impressed. . letting the devices take the
    hazardous jobs has always been my hope. -- j
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    • Posted by 8 years, 11 months ago
      Yes. I have heard that coal mining could be done with machines but the unions fight against it because they are high paying jobs. I would like to see robots in those mines.
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  • Posted by Randman80 8 years, 11 months ago
    I designed an energy management system that was installed in a major newspaper printing plant in Detroit. After it was just installed, I went to check it out before we turned it over to the newspaper folks. There were screw terminal blocks on the back of our equipment ( dozens). I noticed that one wire was on the incorrect terminal. ( this was low voltage wiring) It had to be moved one position. I took my screwdrive a was about to make the 10 second adjustment, when the shop foreman came over and said that if I touched that screwdriver to that terminal, they (the union) would walk out and shut down the plant. I explained that it was still my equipment, to no avail. I had to wait for an electrician, his helper, and a ladder ( the terminal was 18 inches off the ground). So, it took three union men, and a ladder to move one wire, not to mention the additional time. And we wonder what happened to industry in Detroit.....
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 11 months ago
    Luddites To The Rescue. At one point preparing to take our ship to sea we had one dock area filled with unloaded items all waiting for a single crane. Another area was a truck waiting to load and leave and a third parked a short distance needing unloading and the contents brought immediately to the crane. One fork lift driver, one crane operator and one hmmmm manager. all deck crew all hand and arm signals. It was clock work with rarely a wasted second. The first truck couldn't leave until the second truck was unloaded and so forth. Two fork lifts on deck moved loads to and from the crane area to pre position spots. Delivery to parts of the ship came later.

    In two hours one watch completed 50% of the task. The next watch and the watch after took eight hours to complete 50% of the task. The difference? Two watches worked by union rules and one was efficient.

    On a Navy owned civilian crewed we cross decked a full ship load of ammo to another ship. The word is this takes three day less would set a record this was done in mid ocean with wire and helicopter transfers. By then I had learned union rules. three days is a lot less overtime. Better than no trophies or belt buckles or t shirts. it took five days.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 8 years, 11 months ago
    This is what unions and greed have done to the unskilled workforce in this country. But they'll never admit that they did it to themselves.

    In a sane country this machine would not pay for itself until the unskilled had gotten retrained and employed somewhere more productive.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 11 months ago
    And eliminates a low paying, overly strenuous, boring job. Also eliminates workman comp claims and allowes for lower insurance rates for the company.
    This is the wave of our mfg future...we knew it would become more pervasive and cost effective. Progressives unwittingly helped it along.
    The world has faced these challenges before, only I fear the work force's ability to adapt has been disempowered.
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    • Posted by 8 years, 11 months ago
      Exactly right Carl. The more expensive labor gets the more practical this type of process becomes. Some jobs are better left to machines. I do hope we find ways for workers to adapt. Here in Pittsburgh we watched for years while many guys sat around expecting the steel mills to reopen.
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  • Posted by edweaver 8 years, 11 months ago
    It is amazing.

    If you ever get the opportunity to see paper made and packaged it is worth it. It is also very automated and has been for quite some time.

    I've been in printing for 30 years and seen incredible changes in that industry too. Most assembly work was done by hand. What used to take 10 hours to complete now takes 1.
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    • Posted by 8 years, 11 months ago
      So many ways we have improved and I don't think the government helped one bit.
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      • Posted by edweaver 8 years, 11 months ago
        Of course we don't want the governments help. Anytime they try all it does is hurt. Then again the only purpose of government is control and we could use allot less of it. :)
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        • Posted by 8 years, 11 months ago
          The only input I see is the Feds make human help so expensive that investments in robots and machines are more affordable now.
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          • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 11 months ago
            Oh, and the "fed" making the value of the currency lower and lower so the perceived cost of everything is higher, making "savings" worth less and less over time. This purposely enslaves the people who responsibly save for the time when they are physically unable to work. If the value of savings retained value the "need" for voluntary (consent to) "social security" would not be enough to justify its existence. The bankster con extends far.
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            • Posted by 8 years, 11 months ago
              I feel for the retirees today that have to live thru this extended period of QE. They did all the right things but the FED determines how much they make on there savings. Outrageous!
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              • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 11 months ago
                It's always been how much they lose, not how much they make. Currency strength vs foreign currencies might increase purchasing power on imported goods, technology might provide better quality of life, but the actions of the fed (the bankster cartel) have always and will always be to steal/loot from those who work to avoid imperial entanglements.
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          • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 11 months ago
            Actually the tax dollars through the government sponsored a number of efforts that were worthwhile though their efforts and although their efforts may have had other purposes. National Defense Highway System now known as the Interstates, teflon, internet for three. Cell radio phones was not not one of the governments but a private industry invention. the actual inventor probably got next to nil. Most tax dollar intercentions however were pork, slop and vote buying. and the cost is not just initial tax dollars but the follow on to pay for deficit spending and regulation complaince.

            I'm 6' tall I cannot imagine the height of the individual who chooses to open as a business in the United States of America. Two big really big brass ones as Clancy used to write. Now investing in a maquilador operation in the United States of Mexicans (yes that is the real name of our vecino distantes - nearest foreign neighbor) is a welcome opportunity, so was another business in the land down under.

            To date amount invested in USA or whatever it's called now is the same as the sum of the last two generations X+Y=Zero. If you are IRS not to worry. I haven't drawn so much as one thin penny sized dollar. I'm living off my government pensions all 2.2 of them - after devaluation and debt repudiation.

            But my hats off to those who are toughing it out. I can't for the life of me imagine ...why?
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          • Posted by edweaver 8 years, 11 months ago
            Agreed. The funny thing is the equipment is more costly because of all the government regs too. We are being drowned with inflation since the invention of the federal reserve.
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