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Perhaps I should say good bye now

Posted by richrobinson 9 years ago to The Gulch: General
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I live and work just outside of Pittsburgh Pennsylvania. Our Democrat Mayor and Democrat Governor still think it is a good idea to welcome Syrian refugees with open arms. If anything happens and I stop posting I want you all to know how much I have enjoyed the Gulch. Not sure if I am allowed to bequeath my points to anyone??? Tell the world my story.
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    Posted by Mattinglynn 8 years, 12 months ago
    Besides the difficulty of background checks on people that consider high-tech a new donkey, there are a couple more issues that I have a problem with: Who is paying for these people? (Transportation, lodging, food, a supply of stones, their ammunition and bomb-making supplies?) If the president is offering to compensate the taxpayers for refugee funding out his presidential retirement compensation, I say go for it, but suggest they be housed on the White House grounds or retirement mansion so that Mr. 0 and his fam can feel the love that the bulk of these refugees have for these United States.
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    • Posted by 8 years, 12 months ago
      Logistically it just seems better to find a place closer to Syria. There is a plan we are not being told about.
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      • Posted by Timelord 8 years, 12 months ago
        There are numerous countries adjoining Syria that share culture, language, and very importantly, religion. Why aren't they seeking asylum in familiar territory and why aren't their Muslim neighbors, who are obligated under Islam to give aid and charity, sending convoys to bring them to safety?

        - - - - - - - - - -
        Let's say someone gives you a bushel basket of your favorite fruit, the most beautiful ones you've ever seen. You taste one and it's like Zeus himself is feeding you ambrosia. Your benefactor says, "This is a gift, it's all yours. But be warned that one of them is laced with deadly poison and the moment you bite into it you're going to die a painful death."

        A foolish person figures that the odds of any one piece of fruit being poisoned are small so it's safe to snack on them. A wise person realizes that the odds are irrelevant because the risk is severe enough to remove statistics from the decision making process.
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      • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 12 months ago
        Now THAT is exactly what I have been thinking. Whay do they need to spew these guys all over almost every democratic/western nation? The most obvious answer is it is to get a radical element easily into most countries, who can then start the destabilization of western lifestyle, leading to a declaration of martial law, the unionization of the whole world under one control to "fight the evil terror". Call me a conspiracy theroist, but I didn't break their contry or anyone else's for that matter, which is my main objection to people "fleeing" their country. Soon we will be the ones "fleeing" and have no where left to go. IMHO they should be told" Your mess, you fix it" Although there has been enough covert and overt interference in so many countries by so many countries, the locals do not always get all the blame. Gov't aholes are all the same, whether christian, muslim, conservative or liberal.
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    • Posted by gcarl615 8 years, 12 months ago
      I agree, who is paying for all these undocumented democrats, while we have veterans living in the streets or dying before they can get appointment at the VA?
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 12 months ago
    Stay safe.
    Stay armed.
    So far, the Republican Governor of Florida has remained adamant in his refusal to allow Syrian Problems into the State of Flowers. Still, I've finally convinced my wife to attend one of my son's firearm's classes. I'm looking for a new revolver as I plan to give her my S&W 38 shorty.
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    • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 12 months ago
      Yep, I never thought I would seriously consider suffering the concealed carry circus, but I think it is getting time, my steel rods in my seat back and trunk aren't enough anymore...
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      • Posted by $ Tap2Golf 8 years, 12 months ago
        It's an arduous process, however, important. You would be glad you did it. It is very empowering and there are a lot of skills to learn. Go for it!.
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        • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 12 months ago
          I had 20 years of Navy repeat training on the .45. We had to recertify annually, used to also include shotgun and M14. I am going to start looking for something smaller though, although you just have to like the punch of a 45 acp.
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          • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 12 months ago
            Hopefully you can go in to a gun store and get a feel for lots of different handguns. How it feels in your hand will make a big difference. What is right for me (relatively small hands) may not be good for you. If the gun shop has a range attached you may be able to try some out on the range before you buy. I never did that and as a result I bought and re-sold a couple that I could have avoided, specifically a small frame Ruger .357 that had too much painful recoil, and a Ruger full size 9mm (my first semi-auto) that wasn't comfortable to carry.
            Think about how it would feel if you have to run with it in your hand, too.
            FYI, I carry a Firestar 9mm that is small but heavy (for less recoil and better multi-shot accuracy.)
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          • Posted by $ Tap2Golf 8 years, 12 months ago
            You bet! There is also something comfortable about a smaller and easier conceal. Lots of 9mm to choose from that are enough to stop the bad guy.. The process should be a piece of cake for you with your experience. Depends on where you live!!
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      • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 12 months ago
        I use my cane with the metal handle in the shape of an Eagle's head. The beak juts out to a point. I need to use it as a walking aid, but it has proven to be a useful weapon. However, times, they are a'changin'. I might need to start carrying . I'd prefer not to, but the decision may not be mine very shortly.
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    • Posted by 8 years, 12 months ago
      Thanks Herb. I wonder what the plan is if something happens???
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      • Posted by RevJay4 8 years, 12 months ago
        Being slightly paranoid, and a conspiracy nut, according to some, I'd say that the "plan" is martial law for us all. Not if something happens, when.
        I've been thinking this since the "one" was elected and pronounced the "transformation" of our country.
        And, like you, Herb, I'm just working on surviving until whenever. As long as I can.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 12 months ago
          The Government cannot afford to use martial law until they figure out how to suborn the military's oath of allegiance. They wouldn't get it back. To do that means an entirely new force such as a KGB or Schutzstaffel. At best they might attempt to use the military for small very local situations.

          Military Oath is ' support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.' All has no exceptions. That means President and officers appointed over if they have become enemies domestic and turned against the Constitution. no wiggle room. no parsing, no discussion. Once martial law is declared the President is Command-In-Chief (assuming he is stil President) and the next level in the chain of command is the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Officers appointed means uniformed. The civlian staff steps aside.

          Some may argue but then under martial law they are not in charge are they?

          That may be just what the military is hoping for minus the careerists. They become a problem for UCMJ and Courts Martial.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 12 months ago
    If the syrian refugees were intelligent, educated, and experienced in something other than the stupid islamist religion, I might be more supportive of taking them in.

    BUT, given that these people stayed in Syria, just making a small living for years and years under a dictator, believing the stupidity of islam, not being educated, and passively going along with the muslim idea of killing off the west- I DONT WANT THEM HERE. What do they bring to our country other than a bill for the "refugee resettlement" that our government will take from us and give to them. Let them figure out how to make their own country suitable, and not just come for the freedoms we fought for and the money we have worked for. Politically incorrect? YEAH
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  • Posted by $ sjatkins 8 years, 12 months ago
    It smacks of collectivism to blame all members of some group for the bad actions of a few. It is also potentially freedom destroying, as we saw after 911, to be so focused on possible terrorism that we shut down much of our freedom and other values. So I think the issue is much more nuanced.
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  • Posted by wiggys 8 years, 12 months ago
    pa. has more hunters than any other state in the union so there are definitely more fire arms there so when all goes to s*** they will be ready and of course the governor should be number on on the list.
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  • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 8 years, 12 months ago
    Rich,
    Try Idaho...I live in Washington, where our "green" Governor is also welcoming the refugees (they really need to ALL be placed in Seattle) and I've seriously considered changing my zip code.
    The liquor is cheaper there, as well.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 12 months ago
      I would choose Edina over Seattle - after all it's the capitol of the new Prince of Socialism not for the liquor to find out if getting close to the spigot of the Gates Fouondation would pay the bills ...100,000 was it? Sky scraper condos. No sweat.
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    • Posted by $ jbrenner 8 years, 12 months ago
      Boise and Twin Falls are places where President Zero moved some of last summer's immigrants, according to blarman. He likely will some of the Syrian refugees there, too.
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      • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 8 years, 12 months ago
        Boise, I am going to assume, is relatively liberal, due to the nearby college. I'm not sufficiently familiar with Idaho's geography to know where Twin Falls might fit into the picture.
        The places I routinely visit are in the "panhandle" region of the state...relatively conservative, compared to the southern portion.
        However, the state's recent determination, allowing firearms on campus grounds, does give me some hope.
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        • Posted by $ jbrenner 8 years, 12 months ago
          Twin Falls is in southern Idaho and was a famous point on the Oregon Trail. It is the home of Chobani yogurt. It is where Evel Knievel tried to jump the Snake River Canyon. You would think that it would therefore be called the Snake Valley. Nope. It is the "Magic Valley". I wouldn't expect to find any Objectivists there.
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  • Posted by j_IR1776wg 8 years, 12 months ago
    You might want to avoid Colorado. Governor Looper-Looper has announced that he will allow them on humanitarian grounds. I am not sure at this point if they will be allowed to open carry their AK-47's
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    • Posted by Riftsrunner 8 years, 12 months ago
      Unfortunately, because the Supreme Court has said the Constitution conveys it's protection to all, even if they are criminals, they could probably be able to walk off their planes with the rifles in full view. There have been a few cases where illegal aliens were charged with felony possession of firearms, but those charges had to be dropped because the Second Amendment gives all the right to bear arms.
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 8 years, 12 months ago
    Maybe you could find a Militia to join in Pennsyvania. So, you will not be the only Patriotic American who wants to fight back.
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    • Posted by 8 years, 12 months ago
      I really wish we had more information. All I have read is we are taking in refugees. We don't know what the vetting process is, we don't know where they are being housed, we don't know who is paying for all this... It seems like anyone who asks questions is called a racist and an extremist. I see nothing wrong with being cautious and vigilant.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 8 years, 12 months ago
    You are welcome to come to Suntree, Florida, Rich. Just be careful. If you come to the next town over (Viera), even though it is a wonderful place, the name Viera means faith in Norwegian. Not exactly a good landing spot for a Gulcher.
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  • Posted by GaryL 8 years, 12 months ago
    Where ever you end up I am sure you will have lots of company and hence forth they shall be known as the good guys!
    I will not be happy until they drag BHO out of our WH kicking and screaming. Lots of governors and other politicians need to be tied to that rope as well.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 12 months ago
    "Our Democrat Mayor and Democrat Governor still think it is a good idea to welcome Syrian refugees with open arms. "
    I think it's not only a good idea but critically important to do it. Let people choose if they want to live under low-life thugs who operate under the fig leaf of religious extremism or libertity and pluarlism. The world is right, and the few unhinged idiots are wrong. I'm no more afraid of these bastards than I am of car accidents or rare illness. Freedom's riskier than living in a jail. Freedom isn't free. It's goes way beyond just a good idea.
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    • Posted by 8 years, 12 months ago
      I disagree Circuit. I would completely understand sending humanitarian aid. Food medical supplies... I would also consider it a moral duty to help them relocate. I don't think it is a good idea to relocate them to countries with cultures they loathe. There has to be places with similar belief systems that can house these refugees until the situation in Syria is over. Financially supporting the effort is also fine. Bringing them here this quickly by the thousands with no way of vetting them is foolish.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 12 months ago
        These are very good points.

        For me it's less of a moral duty and more of a desire to live in a safe and free place. I see the world as getting smaller, making it harder to have extremists in one part of the world but kept out of my part.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 8 years, 12 months ago
    Well, I did have some notion of recruiting the Syrian
    "refugees" (at least, the young able-bodied males),
    into a special unit (under the authority of American
    officers and non-com/petty officers), to fight against Isis, but I have been warned that "fragging" could occur. Also,
    a bunch of them could get together and over-
    whelm the commanders (in the case of infiltrat-
    ors), so I guess it wouldn't work.--So I guess the
    only solution to that issue would be to set up
    refugee camps in Syria (or elsewhere in the Mid-
    East--there's so much terrorism there already,
    anyway). We have no obligation to expose our
    population to mass murder on their behalf.
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  • Posted by JohnConnor352 8 years, 12 months ago
    I'm not going to bother reading the rest of this nor follow the responses to my post. This is a drive by. I can't deal with it today.

    Stop it.

    Your post is the exact equivalent of saying "I'm not going to allow any black men into my restaurant because black men have a much higher rate of criminal activity and incarceration than white men. Therefore to protect myself I am going to improve the odds that my customers will not be criminals."

    It is prejudice based on race and/or religion/national origin. It is irrational regardless of how you frame or because you are judging some men based on the actions of others. Guilt by association.
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    • Posted by IndianaGary 8 years, 12 months ago
      Someone down voted you but I up-voted to get you back to 0 at least. I think your comment is ill informed and you don't understand the existential threat Islam is to human life. The U.S. has been fighting it since the days of Thomas Jefferson; this is just the latest iteration but with nuclear weapons available. They want to take us back about 1000 years of so, and that's just the men; women that want to make property again. You can go back if you like, but I like it here, so I'll fight them.
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    • Posted by Mamaemma 8 years, 12 months ago
      Using my mind to discriminate and make reasonable decisions is not prejudice. Nor is it racism.
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      • Posted by JohnConnor352 8 years, 12 months ago
        You are making the decisions based upon unfortunate, and obviously unwanted, associations. You are making judgments about specific individuals based not up on any specific quality which they have demonstrated to you, but upon qualities that other people who come from the same country is them have demonstrated. You are judging all Syrians by the actions of a few.
        Even if a majority of the Syrians were active members of terrorist organizations, it is still prejudiced to judge a Syrian you meet based upon anything other than what that individual demonstrates to you.
        Just like there's a great deal of diverse city of thought, opinion, and everything else with in America, there is a great deal diversity among citizens of other countries.
        Nationalism, and by that I don't mean patriotism but the belief that people across a political border are necessarily different because they are on the other side of the fence, is just a relic of the tribal and feudal heritage we have from Europe. The "all of them versus all of us" mentality is irrational and unnecessary.
        People who join organizations or make choices of affiliation, such as joining terrorist organizations, but unions, political parties, religions, etc. are all voluntary actions, and can therefore be used to judge someone's character. You cannot use such unchosen criteria as race or national origin.
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    • Posted by 8 years, 12 months ago
      I disagree John. At least one of the Paris attackers entered France with a group of refugees. Muslims do not respect our way of life so why relocate them here? It is easy to scream racism to try and make a point but there are legitimate concerns here. We have been told they are being vetted but how? How long will they stay? Do they want to come here? Taking precautions does not make someone a racist.
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      • Posted by JohnConnor352 8 years, 12 months ago
        So after I had some coffee I felt much better about the day and decided to check the post. I just can't stay away.
        What we know is that he had a Syrian passport. To date I have not heard anybody provide proof of when he arrived or that he actually pretended to be a refugee. I would have to guess that most of the actual refugees in Syria do not have passports. I mean, how many of them had the means to be able to plan international travel for leisure purposes? I know the process for obtaining an American passport can take months, I don't know about Syria, but I can only imagine that it's worse. A true refugee would not exactly have several months to plan their departure. I am imagining running from your hometown late at night to escape the militants outside your front door.
        Anyway, even if one terrorist was able to use the tragedy of Syrian refugees to enter France, that does not give us justification for denying all Syrian refugees. That is, by definition, statistical prejudice. It is no more valid of a thought process than other forms of prejudice. Each person is an individual, and they ought to be treated as such. One is not forever Damned by one's neighbors or fellow countrymen's actions.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 12 months ago
          Apparently we're not denying all Syrian refugees only the non-Muslims 2.6% in favor of Muslims 97.4% Hold that one Let me switch to another

          Refugees or Immigrants that is unclear."Since the Syrian civil war erupted in 2011, only 53 (2.4 percent) have been Christians while 2098 (or 96 percent) have been Muslims, according to State Department statistics updated on Monday.

          The remaining 33 include 1 Yazidi, 8 Jehovah Witnesses, 2 Baha’i, 6 Zoroastrians, 6 of "other religion," 7 of "no religion," and 3 atheists 04 4.5 %"

          the latest official census produces these figures

          Home > Factbook > Countries > Syria

          Population 17,951,639

          Religions Muslim 87% (official; includes Sunni 74% and Alawi, Ismaili, and Shia 13%), Christian (includes Orthodox, Uniate, and Nestorian) 10% (includes Orthodox, Uniate, and Nestorian), Druze 3%, Jewish (few remaining in Damascus and Aleppo).

          Not included Yazidi, JW, Zoroastrians, Bahai and Hindu not and included

          Most of these are around 87% Muslim 13% other.

          Given the urgency of the situation as depicted by the various governments the rate of immigration to USA of non muslims is woefully short even if statistics were used with Race/Religion as a deciding factor. 13% is far far from point four.at worst and given the comparative ease of
          of vetting the non islam groups a good many will die before the State department gets off it's ass. Of the Islamic population the most affected are the Kurds and some of the 80 or so other small separate from Sunni or Shiites.

          I'm of the opinion the government has taken it's PC or political crap too far and made it a God head instead of just saving lives in jeopardy.
          Just like WW II.

          The only, one and only, way i would differentiate between Muslims and any others which means not difference is asking a simple question. Are you prepared to assimilate into our culture and follow our morals, values, and standards, our laws and our systems? then give a practical exam. Burkas yes or no, Identification photos with the face exposed yes or no. Do you understand and accept that sharia law or the law of the country you left has no legal standing nor do any of the tenets of any religion? Just to name a few. The same can be applied to every other applicant for citizenship or admission to the country.

          I would differentiate in the same way to any and every other part of the world's cultures. If they refuse then politely stamp Denied
          At Request of the Applicant.
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        • Posted by mccannon01 8 years, 12 months ago
          I'd like to buy into your "statistical prejudice" argument, but somehow you remind me of the Native Americans that thought it would be nice to invite some of the first Europeans ashore. How did that work out?

          The difference is the Native Americans couldn't fully appreciate who they were welcoming through the front door. Contemporary Americans don't have that excuse. We can observe 1400 years of Islamic history and study how well they have assimilated into Western Civilizations in modern times. Unless you, JohnConnor352, are a Muslim, they know who you are: dhimmi kafir.
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          • Posted by JohnConnor352 8 years, 12 months ago
            So every Muslim is a terrorist just waiting to awaken?
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            • Posted by mccannon01 8 years, 12 months ago
              First, don't put words in my mouth I didn't say and you know it. Now, to address your flippant remark, consider that not all white men in America's history were Indian killers, but that didn't change the results did it?

              Islam's political ideology is incompatible with individual liberties or a democratic republic and there is no evidence in the modern world where Islam has undergone a reformation or enlightenment period to make it acceptable as a leading ideology of a nation of free people. There is plenty of evidence that Islamic populations do not assimilate into Western nations. When they get populous enough the violence towards "kafirs" increases and demands for sharia law within the host country to supersede native law commences.
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              • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 12 months ago
                The Native American might be answered this way. The USA has the largest apartheid system in the world at present. Supported by both Republican and Democrat/Socialist Parties.

                Former resident of 'Red Lake Reservation.
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  • Posted by mccannon01 8 years, 12 months ago
    I was at the train station in NYC a couple of days ago and saw the mayor on TV between trains and he was saying NYC will welcome the refugees also with open arms. My thoughts were "doesn't metropolitan NYC already have 7 million people on welfare"? Oh well, what's a few more, I guess.

    Edit add: I live in Upstate NY and my taxes get siphoned off to NYC -- I wonder what for, HA! Perhaps I will fly a Templar's banner under the US flag on my flagpole in protest. Although, I doubt if many will even know what it is.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 12 months ago
      Red Cross on a White Field?
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      • Posted by mccannon01 8 years, 12 months ago
        Flag I have is divided evenly into two stripes, one white, one black. Red Templar cross in the center. Supposedly, and I can't verify this, the white stripe means light and life for my friends, the black stripe means darkness and death for my enemies and the red cross means may God grant me the wisdom to know the difference. Fly the white on top when at peace, black on top when at war.

        Edit add: The white flag with the red cross (Templar cross or standard Christian cross) you mention was more common historically.
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