Ayn Rand said The Fountainhead was an overture to Atlas Shrugged

Posted by richrobinson 9 years, 1 month ago to Books
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Ayn Rand once said that she was asked about the practical applications of The Fountainhead. She said she answered those questions with Atlas Shrugged and that you should think of The Fountainhead as an overture to Atlas Shrugged. I'm not sure I understand what she means by that.


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  • Posted by Technocracy 9 years, 1 month ago
    To me, Fountainhead was the basis of objectivism applied individually. Atlas Shrugged on the other hand, further expanded the philosophy to include groups and illustrated why the philosophical change is needed.
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  • Posted by khalling 9 years, 1 month ago
    The Fountainhead is a personal story. You can generalize some concepts from the Speech, how you or Roark lives life. Personal integrity.
    atlas Shrugged illustrates what happens in the world as a result of society and individuals adhering to certain philosophical positions.
    One of the problems with only having read the Fountainhead and trying to get a bead or application of the philosophy of Objectivism, is that you run into that end game of personal happiness can be achieved anywhere, which I personally disagree with.
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    • Posted by 9 years, 1 month ago
      So are the characters in Atlas Shrugged kind of the next generation from The Fountainhead?
      Roarke = Galt
      Toohey = James Taggert
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      • Posted by khalling 9 years, 1 month ago
        no-Tagart is evil but ineffectual. Toohey is highly effectual which makes him super evil. Roark is everyman in the Gulch.
        Rearden is closer to Dominique, IMO. I would off the cuff say Keating and Taggart are more aligned-but Peter continues to question important ideas throughout the story. They both are second handers though
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        • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 1 month ago
          "Roark is everyman in the Gulch. "
          What about the guy who told Dagny about how at the motor plant the effort to avoid pitting people's abilities against each other's led to the worse problem of pitting their needs against one another's? One person's need for surgey was weighted against the needs of another person who's kid needed a filling and someone else who car was broken down. That contemptible woman doled out the money to sycophants. Galt said he wouldn't have it. That guy who didn't particpate but told the tale is my notion of the everyman of the Gulch.
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          • Posted by khalling 9 years, 1 month ago
            he told the tale, but did not act
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            • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 1 month ago
              Is the Gulch only for the leaders?[sincere question, not rhetorical] I imagine the Gulch people populated with people who have no knowledge or interest in fixing policy problems. One of them is obsessed with making a quantum computer work. Another works diligently 30 hours a week as a janitor and live a lifestyle very modest in luxuries but rich with hobbies or family activities.
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              • Posted by khalling 9 years, 1 month ago
                no-not exactly. remember the fisher woman who wanted to be a writer? they took in potentials-funny story. when db was young he really wanted to be in Scouts. so his dad told him he was a "potential scout" he bought that and when it came time for him to sign up-he rejected it. so did my son, and I am a lifelong girl scout. well actually I stopped my membership after the last crazy theocracy of enviros came through
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                • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 1 month ago
                  "when db was young he really wanted to be in Scouts. so his dad told him he was a "potential scout" he bought that and when it came time for him to sign up-he rejected it. so did my son,"
                  I don't understand. Why did he accept it first and then reject it?
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 9 years, 1 month ago
    When she wrote The Fountainhead, Ayn Rand had no prescience that she would write Atlas Shrugged. Early biographical material such as Who is Ayn Rand? by Nathaniel and Barbara Branden, offers some insights. One story is that Rand was on the telephone with "an admirer" (apparently Isabel Paterson) who said that Rand "must" write another book because her readers "need" it (or "expect" it). Really? What if I stopped writing? What if all of the authors stopped writing?

    About the same time - 1952 or 1953 - Fortune magazine's annual review of books complained mildly of the mild state of novels about business. Executive Suite by Cameron Hawley failed to inspire. However, said the critic, rumor has it that Ayn Rand is writing a book about business that will be as new and influential as was The Fountainhead. (I would have to sort through boxes for that. But I have it because the 11x17 color xerox cost a small bundle to get right.)

    Also, to the point here, Rand's philosophy continued to grow and evolve. For one thing - just detail, but it is revealing - In The Fountainhead she quotes Hegel in a positive way. At that stage in her intellectual development, she was still open to whatever good ideas came from however culpable a source. By 1957 her attitude had changed.

    Right now, I am reading The Deerslayer. The Leatherstocking Tales comprise a narrative as Nathaniel matures. However, they were written out of sequence. The Deerslayer was the last written, though it is subtitled "The First Warpath." The author does not always know where the story is going to go.

    Also, for a comparison of characters, as she was asked about here, wouldn't Cheryl Brooks be analogous to Catherine Halsey?
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    • Posted by khalling 9 years, 1 month ago
      do you have a cite for the Hegel comment?
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      • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 9 years ago
        I had to dig this out by re-reading the book until I found it. And I was wrong, apparently. Look at Part II Ellsworth Toohey, Chapter VI. (Pages 281-282 in the bookclub edition hard back.) At the Kiki Halcombe party, Toohey rhapsodizes about Howard Roark's face, alluding to the "style of a civilization."

        I remembered it as Hegel who coined the term Zeitgeist (Spirit of the Times), but that was incorrect.

        In fact, after much googling, and even time in JSTOR with academic papers, I cannot find a reference to a philosopher who wrote of the "style of a civilization".
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