2. Immigration has been a HOT topic here in the past couple of months. And, I've learned A LOT - to the point that my position has actually changed. I wish you'd been around for those discussions. To say they were _heated would be an understatement. I would have loved to get your take. Off the top of me head, member comments to check out: khalling, dbhalling, Technocracy, and Zenphamy. The ideas at first appear counterintuitive, but if you listen Objectively, without digging in your heels, you may be surprised as to where you land.
There was a comment by dbhalling that took me right over the edge. An "a-ha!" moment for me. I can't find it, but essentially it was something to the effect of, "Yes, you have every right to protect your [land]. But if you shoot someone on your property, who poses no threat to you, simply because they are on your property, you are the criminal."
And then there were also the myriad on comments centered around the idea that private property rights do not give you the right to imprison someone else - e.g. you can not buy a one inch piece of property circling someone and stop them form crossing your "property." Those were eye opening as well.
There were some really great arguments going on in here - of course some devolving into ad hom, but if you could see through all of that, it was some great reading. I'll see if I can find some links.
As Scott pointed out, the issues are at once complicated and obfuscated by the labels. Today, we too easily aggregate all those who claim to believe in "freedom" and the "Constitution" as believing the same things we do. That may not be so. Sixty years ago, Ayn Rand was clear that believing in God (or not) is your privilege, but that the philosophical defense of personal freedom cannot be founded on religious grounds. So-called "right to life" issues also separate conservatives from consistent admirers of the works of Ayn Rand. Rand defended a woman's right to terminate a pregnancy. (Listen to "Of Living Death" http://aynrandlexicon.com/ayn-rand-wo... )
Ayn Rand wrote: "Objectivists are not “conservatives.” We are radicals for capitalism; we are fighting for that philosophical base which capitalism did not have and without which it was doomed to perish..." Ayn Rand Lexicon here:http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/con... (See also "Ayn Rand versus Conservatives" here: http://necessaryfacts.blogspot.com/20...
This is not a matter of mere symantics - is the tomato a fruit or a vegetable? Is the pumpkin really a berry? In the current presidential election cycle several "conservative" candidates advocate mutually exclusive positions on a wide range of issues. The usual course of choice is for you to pick this and that from him or her in one case or another and sort of align yourself with someone or someone else. But Objectivism is a philosophy that intends logical and factual consistency. More to the point, Ayn Rand insisted that there can be no dichotomy between the logical and the factual, the practical and the moral, the ideal and the real.
MikeM: Indeed. I had forgotten that key Rand statement,"; we are fighting for the philosophical base which capitalism did not have and without which it was doomed to perish..." Thank you.
Bigjim: Ahhh, we get it from all sides... The universities are indoctrinating the youth with liberal leftist bull- a most ominous situation. Our government endeavors to incorporate, sustain and maintain a socialistic approach to everything it encompasses and controls. It is a slow imperceptible erosion that little by little destroys freedom without ever declaring to do so. Now, even the comics hit us with this attempt to be politically correct.
Stand firm on what you believe, what is most important to you and "create the world in your own image". We might just win.
1. I take solace knowing the Tony Stark was purposely a Randian modeled hero ( http://libertywithoutapologies.com/20... ). And, let's not forget "Mr. A" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr.A ).
2. Immigration has been a HOT topic here in the past couple of months. And, I've learned A LOT - to the point that my position has actually changed. I wish you'd been around for those discussions. To say they were _heated would be an understatement. I would have loved to get your take. Off the top of me head, member comments to check out: khalling, dbhalling, Technocracy, and Zenphamy. The ideas at first appear counterintuitive, but if you listen Objectively, without digging in your heels, you may be surprised as to where you land.
Care to elaborate a little as to how your immigration views changed?
There was a comment by dbhalling that took me right over the edge. An "a-ha!" moment for me. I can't find it, but essentially it was something to the effect of, "Yes, you have every right to protect your [land]. But if you shoot someone on your property, who poses no threat to you, simply because they are on your property, you are the criminal."
And then there were also the myriad on comments centered around the idea that private property rights do not give you the right to imprison someone else - e.g. you can not buy a one inch piece of property circling someone and stop them form crossing your "property." Those were eye opening as well.
There were some really great arguments going on in here - of course some devolving into ad hom, but if you could see through all of that, it was some great reading. I'll see if I can find some links.
Ayn Rand wrote: "Objectivists are not “conservatives.” We are radicals for capitalism; we are fighting for that philosophical base which capitalism did not have and without which it was doomed to perish..."
Ayn Rand Lexicon here:http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/con... (See also "Ayn Rand versus Conservatives" here:
http://necessaryfacts.blogspot.com/20...
This is not a matter of mere symantics - is the tomato a fruit or a vegetable? Is the pumpkin really a berry? In the current presidential election cycle several "conservative" candidates advocate mutually exclusive positions on a wide range of issues. The usual course of choice is for you to pick this and that from him or her in one case or another and sort of align yourself with someone or someone else. But Objectivism is a philosophy that intends logical and factual consistency. More to the point, Ayn Rand insisted that there can be no dichotomy between the logical and the factual, the practical and the moral, the ideal and the real.
It is a hard row to hoe...
Thank you.
The universities are indoctrinating the youth with liberal leftist bull- a most ominous situation. Our government endeavors to incorporate, sustain and maintain a socialistic approach to everything it encompasses and controls. It is a slow imperceptible erosion that little by little destroys freedom without ever declaring to do so.
Now, even the comics hit us with this attempt to be politically correct.
Stand firm on what you believe, what is most important to you and "create the world in your own image". We might just win.