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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years ago
    "I would not just stand there and let him shoot me. I would say, Hey guys, everybody attack him. He may shoot me, but he can't get us all"
    I agree with this statement. If it were me, I'd admit if I were caught off guard or just freaked out, I might not do the right thing. But I completely agree that the good guys of the world should grab whatever weapon they have and stop people trying to commit atrocities.
    I also agree with the stuff about it being okay to talk about Hitler aloud and admit that it's an extreme case that shows how we can fail to stand up to someone we know is wrong.

    The stuff about not wanting a Muslim president, sounded like the garden variety bigotry that his Hitler example is supposed to illustrate-- stand up to that nonsense. It does say he later said he wouldn't want any extremist as president. No fake. If he's such a straight talker, he could have started with that truism and avoided appearing to exploit people's fears of one another.

    I agree strongly with him on stopping a murderer. It's easy to say we should fight a gunman who unexpectedly starts shooting. It's hard to do. I admire anyone who does it.
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    • Posted by not-you 9 years ago
      The media parses every word the man says in order to perform a high tech, verbal lynching of him. He was supposed to stay on the modern day progressive plantation created by LBJ's Great Society and, 'know his place.' I find him delightful. He is obviously very well read in many areas outside of medicine. He is also a quick study and someone who while mild mannered and kind will NOT be bullied They just can't nail the man down and put him in a box. Kudos to him.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years ago
        M2F2=FMM is the formula for M squared F equals former Mainstream Media . Msquawred is Major Middle and F is Finger. Who cares what the a bunch of spinning reporters say. B. They don't think. C. they are not journalists but propagandists. M2F2U

        I'm loving this being on the right side .....
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      • Posted by term2 9 years ago
        The media isnt of a lot of value when their focus is making money through advertising. They want to built people up and then tear them down to get people to watch their stuff. Doesnt work on me really- I ignore TV news pretty much totally, radio news mostly. I pass internet news through my personal "agenda filter" to try and get at the facts. Politicians I ignore completely, as they are infected with 100% agenda driven positions.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years ago
        I agree with what you're saying but not the insinuation that it's about race. Our society is less comfortable than I would like with the "cowboy" notion of citizens stopping a bad guy in an emergency. I'm glad he's making us uncomfortable and pointing out that sometimes during a crime like that heroes appear and fight back. I don't think our discomfort is about race.
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        • Posted by not-you 9 years ago
          But the over all attack strategy on him IS all about race. How can progressives maintain a permanent underclass of blacks whose 'care and maintenance' provide them with both jobs and voters IF black Americans have an epiphany and discard, "victim politics"?
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          • Posted by not-you 9 years ago
            And Carson has stated clearly and repeatedly that blacks in this country have allowed themselves to be manipulated and economically imprisoned in perpetuity by victim politics and the welfare state.
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            • Posted by term2 9 years ago
              The black culture in this country has been infected with entitlement from the government. As a result, I pretty much stay away from black people as soon as I detect that entitlement. Its disgusting and doesnt endear them to other groups in the USA.
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          • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years ago
            Now that we have a black president, the victim thing seems like ancient history to me. Twenty years ago I heard we needed AA because people hire from within their own networks and dark-skinned people would not be welcome in those circles. That's completely false today.

            Maybe people are saying this. I'm pretty uninformed. I catch news here and there. But I suspect the people doing the talking are the people with a political agenda, as you suggest.
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            • Posted by $ jdg 9 years ago
              This should have been true, but it isn't. 0 is every bit as much a race-baiter and fight-picker as Sharpton. He and Demonrats like him will not allow the race issue to die if they can possibly prevent it.
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    • Posted by roneida 9 years ago
      circuit guy,,, I don't need Dr. Carson to tell me that a Muslim president of America would not be acceptable because Islam is NOT compatible with our constitution... The news of ISIS tells me all that I need to make my own decision and the deafening silence of the Muslim leaders. Even our own emperor will not call them out and goes out of his way to justify their actions based on 900 year old atrocities. As far as oaths of offices in America go, no official should swear his oath on any religious superstition manual but only on the Constitution. NO exceptions for any religion. That is most definitely NOT racism but self preservation. If you want to unconditionally love and forgive anyone, that is your right but don't extend it to others that have not been indoctrinated with Muslim propaganda.
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      • Posted by bsmith51 9 years ago
        So-called moderate Muslims dare not criticize the radicals on risk of punishment (death) for apostasy. This is because the "radicals" are actually following the DIRECT words/commands of Allah laid out in the Qu'ran and the word of God can never be altered. Those who do not take these words literally dare not speak out.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years ago
        "that a Muslim president of America would not be acceptable because Islam is NOT compatible with our constitution"
        If there were a serious Muslim candidate running, maybe you would call for a law creating a religious test for public office to defend the Constitution.
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        • Posted by ewv 9 years ago
          The constitutional prohibition on religious tests for holding office does not mean that the president does not have to follow the Constitution when his religion tells him not to and does not mean that any voter cannot decide for himself when a candidate's religious adherence is incompatible with either the Constitution or the proper purpose of government. Ben Carson was asked if he could support a Muslim for president and he gave his reasons why not. He did not propose religious tests for holding office.
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        • Posted by roneida 9 years ago
          circuit guy... I am not a practicing follower of any superstition/religion, but I do like the Christian concept of "A man can not serve 2 masters". The Muslim pledge to jihad and slaughter of "infidels" would make allegiance to our Constitution a sham. The non murdering presidents we get are bad enough, let alone one who would swear to kill his enemies because of their belief. That is not racism on my part...just self preservation. No religious test would be necessary if the leaders were to swear their oaths on our Constitution instead of the Bible, OR the Koran or any other manual of superstition.
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          • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years ago
            "I am not a practicing follower of any superstition / religion,"
            It's funny how you can have a preference for one's imaginary friend over the other, esp when to me as an atheist they seem almost the same. It's almost like a joke where they subtly changed the insane bizarre stories' details and character names.
            I take none of it seriously. Educated people of the world do not take religious stories, esp the bizarre ones where you hear voices telling you to kill your son, literally.

            If you're saying we don't want leaders who take any religious stories literally, that goes without saying for me. I don't think anyone educated really does. I think it's just something to make people feel close to you, as if they're part of the group of your ancestors, and it's to shamelessly get people to fear their neighbors based on their ancestors, stuff that has nothing to do with the modern world. I really think this nonsense is on it's way out.
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            • Posted by $ 9 years ago
              Big bang...Do you believe it? If so, were you there or are you just speculating from assumptions based on a theory of what you see?

              BB = imaginary friend to atheists.
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              • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years ago
                I avoid "I believe" in reference to a scientific claim. I accept scientific claims. Scientific claims by their nature invite new evidence to disprove them and lead to a better model. I will not be surprised if new evidence upends the entire science of cosmology in my lifetime.

                Sorry for the atheistic snark. I didn't mean to insult religion but rather to say all religions of the world seem bizarre to atheists if taken literally, and there's no point for us examining the stories and picking favorites.
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                • Posted by $ 9 years ago
                  When it comes to something science cannot prove and only theorize on you can choose to believe it (accept) or not. BB is speculation based on observation but it does not reveal where anything, including that initial dot of matter, came from or where it existed prior to going boom. All I say, and will ever say with regard to the unknown, keep your mind open because we do not and cannot know for sure.

                  Consider this:
                  God said....
                  The BB happening? Universal resonance?

                  I just think the possibilities are fascinating.
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                  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years ago
                    Yes. When we get into questions like this we really do not know. I do not know the details of cosmology, and I suspect there is so much more to understand than even what expert cosmologists know.
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        • Posted by $ Snezzy 9 years ago
          The Muslim president would either swear his oath of office on the Koran, or on a Christian Bible. The latter is more acceptable to most Americans, and thus more likely. Lying to support Allah is not a sin or a crime in Islam, as far as I have been able to ascertain. Look up taqiya.

          I'm not saying this false swearing has already happened, but some people think it has.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years ago
          One has to square the ban on religion in government with any member of any religion. no establishment of a state (mono or otherwise theocracy including secular) religion. zero zip nada goose egg. cerro NONE. doesn't say separation of church and state other wise you could impeach any 'President whose religious upbringing can be be shown to affect political decisions. That is IF we had a constitution. Kinda sad now you are supporting those who gave it up? You should be.
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    • Posted by bsmith51 9 years ago
      Your comment about Muslims and bigotry reveals you do not understand Islam. One who believes in the 5 Pillars of Islam (i.e., all Muslims) believes in sharia as the sole code of justice. Islam rigidly rejects and punishes any attempt to change any interpretations of the Qu'ran or the Hadith, since the Qu'ran is regarded as the DIRECT word of Allah.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years ago
        I don't know anyone who takes a religious tradition literally as you describe. I certainly know they're out there, and that in some ways I live in bubble of educated people. People who take these things literally are at risk of being radicalized for any number of reasons. Blaming it on their "olive tree" accomplishes nothing.
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    • Posted by $ blarman 9 years ago
      Regarding the Muslim president comment, if you didn't listen to the entire statement, I'd suggest you do so before labeling Carson a bigot. What he said was that he viewed Sharia as 100% incompatible with the US Constitution. As Sharia is a pretty integral part of the Islamic faith, he viewed a Muslim President as antithetical to the first responsibility of a President of the United States: to uphold the Constitution. He clarified later to emphasize this point: that any Muslim running for office would have to openly denounce Sharia before that person would be eligible for his vote in any way.

      I happen to agree with Carson 100%. I spent time in Greece and Cyprus and met with many people who were trying to escape the barbarity of Islam dominated by Sharia: a culture of vigilante justice wholly skewed to demean and degrade women and with zero-tolerance policies that make the stuff here in the US just look ridiculous in comparison. I can't vote for or support any Muslim running for office until that person has vowed that the Constitution - and not Sharia - is the prime law here in the United States.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years ago
        He later said he didn't want an extremist from any background to be president. I say that's obvious and he could have avoiding looking like a bigot by saying that obvious fact instead of singling out one group.

        Your second paragraph reads like there are people saying we might want to elect a president who supports adopting medieval institutions literally from the Dark Ages that they still practice in the backward areas of the modern world. That doesn't make any sense. No one's saying that. That's standing up to a straw man.
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        • Posted by $ blarman 9 years ago
          "Your second paragraph reads like there are people saying we might want to elect a president ..."

          Uh, there are. Muslims. They did it in Palestine and Egypt. It already exists in Iran. Iraq looks to fall to it, as does Syria (and Lebanon). They are very close to overthrowing several other Middle Eastern nations and installing caliphates in Jordan, Qatar, UAE, and others and the Saudis are very concerned. They hate the "Great Satan" of America and would love to see us fall - especially by our own hand. And you may not believe this, but many European nations such as Germany, England, the Netherlands, and France are also having Muslim crises.

          The question as posed by the press was a gotcha question, but does have some validity in lieu of the recent decisions by some States here to ban Sharia courts (and all other extra-Constitutional authorities) and the recent troubles in England being derived by Sharia courts. It's a legitimate concern to all who reject non-Constitutional jurisdiction - whether that arise from Sharia courts or the UN.

          Look at all Barack Obama has done and consider it with respect to furthering Islam. NASA's primary mission being changed to Muslim outreach. The Bowe Berghdahl trade. Obama's proposed changes to the military which decrease its effectiveness. Arming al Queda sympathizers to overthrow Assad in Syria. Supporting the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. Declining to support the student uprising in Iran. His refusal to use the words "radical Islam". Declining to support the Christians in traditionally Muslim nations now being slaughtered by Muslims. And now this nuclear deal with Iran.

          If you aren't very concerned with the way this President kowtows to Islam - despite his self-proclamation he is a Christian - you should be. Islam was the primary threat to us as a new nation via the Barbary pirates. It has consistently threatened much of the world since its inception about 800 AD. It is the second-largest theology behind only Christianity. And its theology supports more than 95% of the worlds terrorist organizations. To have a President of the US who isn't willing to recognize and name the enemies of our nation is bad. To have one that sympathizes with them will bring about the complete downfall of the Constitution.
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          • Posted by $ jlc 9 years ago
            "NASA's primary mission being changed to Muslim outreach."

            What an incredibly painful farce that was. How could anyone have made that mission statement with a straight face...though I am not sure if laughing or crying would have been more appropriate.

            Jan
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          • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years ago
            The problem of educated people taking religion literally and becoming radicalized in large number is simply not real. It's either a thin veil to express bigotry or a boogie man for those who like to have some big thing to fear. None of this is remotely real.
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            • Posted by $ jdg 9 years ago
              Why don't you go over there and say the same thing in front of a crowd of those barbarians. I want to watch.

              They're real.
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              • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years ago
                Of course radicals and criminals are real. I'm just saying there's not a large problem of educated people becoming radicalized. We're taking about something completely made up.
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                • Posted by $ 9 years ago
                  You may want look into the educational background of the 9-11 terrorists and bin Laden. Our kids are being force fed socialism in school (particularly in ASU). I've made a battle out of fighting this all their lives.
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                  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years ago
                    Crime is real. What we're talking about with someone wanting to overthrow the US Constitution (not just for absurdly widely interpreting it) running for office is not real.
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                    • Posted by $ 9 years ago
                      O is not a US citizen by his actions and words. O is a muslim by his actions and words. O has repeatedly committed treasonous acts according to his actions and backed by his words. O has misused his office AND circumvented or ignored the Constitution and its separation of powers repeatedly. Further, almost everything he does has been to deconstruct every major pillar of who and what we are. To be this far into his "oministration" and seeing what we've seen/experienced locally and globally, I do not understand how anyone, literally anyone, believes he's working in the best interests of this nation.

                      No, O was raised for what he's done, designed even, AND someone, a foreign entity, PAID for his rise to do exactly what he's doing.

                      Proof? Objectively look at his actions and words.
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            • Posted by $ 9 years ago
              The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing. - Socrates

              Anything else is arrogance and bluster. There is a lot more to existence that what we can see and touch, thats factual.
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              • Posted by conscious1978 9 years ago
                What a depressing sense of life conveyed in three contradictory statements.
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                • Posted by $ 9 years ago
                  Funny, I'm not a depressed person. You would seriously claim to know everything there is to know or that you could know everything there is to know? Anyone who claims that is arrogant and full of bluster, no? As for there being a lot more to existence than what we can see and touch, you deny this in spite of the new marvels being found everyday via space exploration?
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                  • Posted by conscious1978 9 years ago
                    AJ, I wasn't addressing whether you were a depressed person, or not. That you countered my comment with a self-appraisal is of no concern to me, either way.

                    Your initial three sentences were written in context, and as such, they represent a depressing package deal.

                    I stand by my comment. :)
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    • Posted by term2 9 years ago
      Now that we are saying what we think, I agree with Carson's comment about not wanting a muslim president. We have a specific American culture, and muslims have a different specific muslim culture. Why would we want the leader of our country to be from a culture that is so different from ours. Immigration is OK so long as they want to join OUR culture, not just bring theirs in in competition with ours. So there, thats my thought on the subject.

      As to the standing up to a killer remark, I think that would not be a very effective action to take. I think if more people were armed, a killer would be less likely to get away with mass shootings, as he would know he would be killed right there. They all know that the police never show up until after the shootings are over. If people in the crowd were armed, its more likely that one of them would simply shoot the shooter and kill him right there. If I had a concealed gun, I would just shoot the perp instead of standing there like Carson suggested.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years ago
        "We have a specific American culture, and muslims have a different specific muslim culture. "
        Unlike other countries that have a historic national race and religion, America is based on an idea, an idea of living life deliberately and doing your own thing without having to follow the traditions of your origins unless you want to.

        This idea of America is the exact opposite of what you are describing-- where in Saudi Arabia citizens must to follow Saudi traditions and national religion and if they become American citizens they must adopt America's traditions and national religion. They specifically designed the country not to have a national religion or gov't-enforced culture.

        "They all know that the police never show up until after the shootings are over. "
        This basic fact was true when they wrote the Constitution and probably influenced them (among other reasons) to guarantee people the bear arms. .
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        • Posted by term2 9 years ago
          do you really think that being muslim includes the idea of living life deliberately and doing your own thing.... If you really believe in islam, how is that compatible with the American ideas ? Thats my point. You actually pointed that out with your comparison with saudi arabia
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          • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years ago
            "o you really think that being [insert religion here] includes the idea of living life deliberately and doing your own thing...."
            No, not if they take the stories literally. My point is many people are religious because of their cultural heritage, but they clearly know it ain't so and are able to live in reality. They have memories holidays with extended family in their home town, and the special holidays to commemorate some super-human people who talked to the gods and supposedly accomplished some great feats thousands of years ago. They turn to these memories for strength when they face difficult times. They don't go out and believe in the supernatural or support the extreme ideas in the religious texts.

            I am not saying we should humor them or pretend to pray with them after a tragedy. But I have no desire to confront them about their "olive tree". I have no desire to tell them, "All that's bunk. Your grandmother believed it b/c she happened to be born at a time a place where that held sway and no one had the temerity to point out how irrational it is. All those good values came from human kind and reason, not gods. Your religion condoned murder, rape, slavery, and brutally executing people for trivial offenses. It is incompatible with modernity." They generally know that. They generally want those who use the religion as a justification to commit crimes to be jailed. There is no case of radical extremists running for office in the US. We are talking about something that does not exist.
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            • Posted by term2 9 years ago
              Although I definitely think that the whole idea of religion is "bunk"- bacause it is involves blindly "believing" in whatever is written in some book. That doesnt mean in itself that everything that IS in their books is "bunk". Therefore, I dont question people who espouse religion, I just dont trust that they will respond appropriately to facts as they come up. They are entitled to accept whatever they want as truth. But when candidates tell me before the election that they are controlled by their religion, it makes me very nervous that they can separate religion from government. Thats why I was put off by Carson's comments about religion.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 9 years ago
    Guess it would make me a hypocrite but I would get a huge kick out of telling some libtard the following--
    "What, you don't like Ben Carson? That makes you a racist. So if you don't want to be called a racist, you had better shut up and sit down. No, Obama is not the first black president. Ask Bill Clinton. Besides, Obama is half white, Carson is completely black. If you cannot agree with a completely black black man, that makes you a racist. Your Jimmy Carter once said as much, you bigot for a racist you. So shut up and sit down. Or I'll call you more names. Like Jim Crow or something even more shameful."
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years ago
    While I deplore his Middle Ages religious affinities, I will fight for his right to speak them. I would argue with him about them, but never censor him. It is his right as an American to express his beliefs -- and that's a good thing, also because it will show me that while I was briefly tempted, I would never vote for him.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 9 years ago
    AJAshinoff: I can't agree with your Socratic quote,
    that the only true wisdom is in knowing one knows
    nothing. 'We know that we know nothing,' they
    chatter, blanking out the fact that they are claiming
    knowledge; 'There are no absolutes,' they chatter,
    blanking out the fact that they have just uttered
    an absolute..."--Ayn Rand, "Atlas Shrugged".
    (would have put the title in italics, but I don't see
    the italics button on this machine).
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    • Posted by $ 9 years ago
      I do not fully agree with it either for a variety of reasons. I do think Socrates was speaking not of everything but about larger things - I could be wrong. Still, to presume we know everything is the opposite of wisdom, no? What is wrong with a bit of mystery? What is wrong with accepting that there are a great many things that can never and will never be explained? Whats wrong with believing that man is more than a high thinking monkey based on his ability to think, reason, and remember (clarke 2001)? I think asterisks do the italics trick?
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  • Posted by Esceptico 9 years ago
    I like Carson's position on guns. When caught by surprise, as I was when two armed men invaded my house and I thought my wife and I were about to murdered, having guns did not help us. We could not get to the weapons while a Baretta M9 was litterally pressed against my temple. As CircitGuy says, you realling don't know what you would do if caught off guard.

    Everyone has few “pet” issues and no candidate is going to live up to what any of us want in a leader. Carson, a 7th Day Adventist and Creationist, is a long way from an Objectivist. So long as he has more points to agree with than, say, Hillary, I would not write him off because he and I do not agree on my pet issues. My poiunt is, I don't think we should pick candidates based upon a few pet issues, but on a broader basis. As it stands, Rand Paul is still my preferred choice.
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  • Posted by Ben_C 9 years ago
    Glad to see some support for Carson. I live in a very Blue town and see lots of Bernie bumper stickers. I have a Carson bumper sticker on my car just to piss them off. Carson is an interesting study and kudos to him for not backing down on any of his statements or positions. The man has a spine.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years ago
    I think he is taking a page from Trump, in that people are tired of political correctness. Trump showed us that issue, and Carson is picking up on it. Good for him. Rand Paul should pick up on it too, as he is the best of the candidates. Probably un-electable (which is too bad actually). My vote goes for Rand Paul first if he makes it to the primary and then the election, and then either of Carson or Trump (whoever makes it to the primary and then the election). The rest of them are politicians, religious zealots or idiots, and I am DONE with all of them.
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    • Posted by bsmith51 9 years ago
      I don't think Carson takes pages from anyone but his creator.
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      • Posted by term2 9 years ago
        Kind if a religious zealot. Makes me wonder what his creator will tell him to do if president
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        • Posted by $ 9 years ago
          Disappointing statement...but you are entitled.
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          • Posted by term2 9 years ago
            Thank you. We are all entitled to our thoughts and opinions. For me I guess I am a bit tired of so many people trying to force others by government force to live by religious tenets they have blindly accepted. Things like the temperance movement taking form in excessive DUI victimless punishments, the anti homosexual attitudes, the anti gay marriage laws, even the prohibitions against consensual polygamy. Not to even mention the use of God to justify wars. The senseless war on victimless use of drugs like marijuana. These and other things make me NOT want a "religious" president running government. It's ok with me if people want to believe things in accordance with religions, but government shouldn't be run by those beliefs
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years ago
      I want Rand Paul but......
      I'll settle for Carson but....
      If those two aren't Government Party nominees I'll vote for a left wing socialist corporatist statist with strong fascist tendencies. Hmmmm switch two words around you just described Hillary.

      I want the Allies to win but....

      Can't have it both ways unless you are a pancake? They don't have firm convictions either just sort lay around and get burned.

      Framing the debate isn't as easy as you expected?
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      • Posted by term2 9 years ago
        For me, its Rand Paul first, then probably Carson or Trump (whoever gets it to the actual election). If one of the religious zealots gets to be republican nominee, I might just vote for Sanders to keep Hillary out- the idea being "lets get this socialist ride OVER quickly so we can begin rebuilding"
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        • Posted by roneida 9 years ago
          term2 I agree with you about Rand Paul but I was surprised at his prissy, excited responses in the first debate... he seemed surprised that someone would disagree. I honestly do not remember the point or the opponent, but the response and anger he showed was not mature. I had previously donated a few bucks to his campaign and I had to stop and question his maturity in the face of an answer he disliked. Time will tell. Carson is hard to rattle.
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          • Posted by term2 9 years ago
            One would have to be really focused and hard to rattle in order to become a neurosurgeon. Its a good quality, but election to presidency here has become a popularity contest where showing strength gets points. Maybe now that Carson is getting a bit more outgoing, he can overcome this issue. Except for a bit of religious zealotry, I like him and think he would make a good president. Rand Paul was a bit quiet and not willing to engage. This will hurt him. I agree with you that his responses to people not agreeing with him werent great- and he would encounter a LOT of people who wont agree with him.
            On the other hand, Trump is more of a deal maker and would get consensus on more sensible items for the country, like foreign trade and treating the country as a business. We need some of that after the debacle of Obama.
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            • Posted by roneida 9 years ago
              term2.. I hate to admit it, because the overall picture of the Republicans so far is good in that there is so much contrast between the candidates, but it is starting to seem that we have too many choices and it is becoming more difficult to choose. I have to say that so far there is not one that I would dismiss as useless, evil or even boring. In my 75 years, I have never seen so many candidates that all have something positive to offer. After the last 7 years, they all seem to each have some fresh air to inject into the election debates that have previously degenerated into a contest of identity and jealousy politics. So far, so good. I hope the initiative to more open and honest contests will continue.
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              • Posted by term2 9 years ago
                Maybe one way to look at it is to pick candidates on what the country needs most at this particular time. From my perspective it seems the protection of our money is number 1. For that, deficit spending must stop right away, otherwise what us retired people are counting on our savings to do just happen in the future. That means scaling back the powers of the federal reserve to print money too.

                2. Get out of the various wars draining our resources for no benefits

                3. Cutting back on crony capitalism where people are using government to lord over regular citizens.

                4. Stop pandering to immigrants who come here just to get freebies that the rest of us have to pay for. Immigrants who come here for a better life and are willing to work for it are welcome and should get work permits, but not instant citizenship. If we allow too many people of other cultures to become citizens too quickly, we will lose OUR culture.

                As to useless, evil, and boring- I think the democrats this time have taken the cake. Hillary just lies and manipulates, Biden would just make deals with his friends in government, Sanders would really take us down the socialist road quickly, and the others are boring !
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