Methinks you complain too much. The site moderators here allow a very wide range of views and opinions, sometimes straying over the line of propriety. They have rarely censured (not censored as some want to claim) posters. As has been mentioned, the comments are still available, just takes a bit more effort to see them. This is a punishment for the individual(s) that exceeded the very loose bounds of propriety. Stop your bitchin' about how the site is being run. Geez, just because you cough up a couple of bucks you think you have the right to dictate how the OWNER gets to run his property. As I said before, if you don't like it, then leave.
If I buy ice cream from an ice cream parlor, and there is an insect in it, I do believe I have the right to complain about the product I purchased not meeting expectations, how the owner runs his business notwithstanding.
"The owner", I submit, is an inapt term. "The proprietor" would be accurate.
Then explain why even when a point is proven and the language is appropriate, there are still points taken away and why on any given day there are a few that are always on top of the points scale. It's an emotional response not an objective response. .
Why are you asking me? I'm just a poster here. I give a few points, but not often - usually only for very witty or insightful posts. I don't particularly care one way or another about them. It seems that some here are so enamored with them that they get very excited to give/receive. As for being on the top of the points, that's merely a function of having a lot to say, and having a bit of time in the past few weeks. That's about to change, so I'll likely be dropping rapidly and soon. As for what others give me or ding me, that's up to them. For example, I see that my post above about complaining so much now has 5 points. That seems to indicate that 4 others found that useful, insightful, or agree. There is only one poster here of whom I've ever made a concerted effort to affect - and that was due to an undue number of posts that were what I considered spam. If you hover your mouse over the down thumb you will see that it says to use that if "this is spam." I felt it was an appropriate use and will defend that position.
We look forward to hearing all your posts. I was just wondering who is controlling the Post Hidden button. Make sure I do not make that person mad. Certainly don't want to offend someone with so much power.
d- the post hides when the overall point total is too low. That rarely happens, and in my opinion with good reason. Recently, posts were hidden for one contributor-who as you can see has lots of points. Investigate. check your premises.
I don't have to agree with everything you said but if you can take away you should give too. db is a paying customer and new here. I see no issue with him asking questions that open things up for discussion. I did not try to apply my comment to only you unless, I say your name. Thanks for the reply. I gave you a point.
there are trolls in here all the time. that is one answer. and r, on an Objectivist-based site, there are those who will down vote criticism against Objectivism-especially if they think the reasoning is faulty. This is more likely to happen when it's clear the poster does not sufficiently understand Objectivism in order for the criticism to be valid. I'm sure you've thought the same thing in here when you read comments about Christianity that are incorrect. Usually, those of us who've been around a long time will tell you if they are taking away a point. BUt they don't have to, and assuming you know who is doing it? My experience is you'd be wrong more than right. I rarely down vote. As a matter of fact, if I'm going to give someone comment that I disagree with, depending on how important I find the discussion-I will upvote it. Then it moves to the top of the thread. You are a valued contributor. You will begin to see your point total moving up quicker the more you post relevant articles and thoughts that encourage good discussion. The more you can tie those posts back to Ayn Rand, Objectivism and the movies the more participation you'll see on your posts -at least until everyone gets to know you better. That's just my take, others may disagree.
Thank you KH. Why is the choice, thumbs up adds to the discussion or thumbs down, this is spam. sometimes I agree and give a thumbs up, but I need to give a thumbs up if I disagree, because it also adds to the discussion?
it's completely your choice. Often we'll have cycles of trolls coming through who want to disrupt the website. I think that's why it's called spam. You see the freedom with voting. But I would caution against assuming it's a popularity contest. db pointed several of my comments down recently on a thread.
I will be the first to tell you that I am not strong at conveying what I am trying to say especially while trying to choose words that are clear and consice while also putting the punctuation in the right places it shuts my brain down, so I know my posts are not marvelous works and I can clearly see how much better let's say Robbie is at expounding on what he is trying to say. I know my posts will get better, I hope they get faster too. If someone posts something are we not to post if we an alternate point of view ? Are we supposed to only support Objecitvism? I have been trying to use facts, concrete data, and objective analysis even if it doesn't agree with statements or historical evidence left by Ayn Rand. Am I correct to understand that Objecitvists will not give points even if valid or an an alternate point is proven?
Me thinks you post too much! Not sure why you are a moocher. The site should grow and get better. Just because you post so much and make this your life doesn't mean you should tell anyone to leave.
One is labeled a "moocher" if one does not give money to the website.
Curiously enough, after less than a week(?), I cancelled my producer upgrade, have not yet received a partial refund, and yet am no longer able to send private messages.
The producers status was very nice during filming, but they have promised a lot and like taxes have not shown much value since. They promised all the Call Sheets, but weeks later still have not seen them. How long does it take to post 15 PDF files?
d-this the kind of comment likely to get a down vote. There is nothing robbie said that discouraged growth of the site. Your criticism is without basis and does not add to the discussion. If you continue in this vein, I guarantee you will lose points. I have been around for awhile. It is common for newbies to come to the site and want to make changes to fit their comfort level. The admins would have to tell you for sure, but the site has been very successful. Overall, there is lots of great content, including your mini-series post. Relax a little and wait awhile
They are not being very nice though. I know no one who talks like this in real life, although maybe people on the Coasts do.
I only downvote out-and-out spam or direct insults. I just scroll down for something interesting and don't take time to vote often. I do wish there were a thankyou button to register my interest without having to waste time with a reply saying I agree.
cg, who specifically is not being nice? I agree. I most often want someone to know I agree or appreciate their comment. It would be a nice feature. I don't now how hard that is to implement
It is very different. If there is a misunderstanding it can be clarified quickly. The volunteer moderator could instantly delete, block and ban ant of your trolls. I would think this software system would already have a chat room function built in.
Where it shows your name in the "Who's Online" section or on your profile, that number next to it is your points total.
In order for your posts to be hidden due to low points, your points have to fall below some very low value. I don't remember what the number is off hand. But in practice, it only happens when someone is really making trouble and wasting everyone's time. There are other rare cases where the site admins have to take some specific action regarding a member's posts / comments.
But the basic idea is that good discussion is rewarded in some way and unless purposely testing the boundaries, you don't have to worry about it.
d, you and MM have the same opinion on that. I do not share it. Those without producer status are "guests" who contribute and enrich the site. Your producer status gives you perks the guests do not get-for instance, they see ads. I am currently running an ad on this site. I want them to see it and buy my book, Pendulum of Justice. The site makes some return off of the ads.
About Pendulum of Justice, I am a slow reader and audiobooks are easier and make use of commuting time. Any consideration to producing an audiobook format?
Sometimes I make a comment out of line. I am not here to make trouble. Just have not found the do's and don'ts along with the operating instructions of GG Online.
People who become too unpopular receive too many down votes, and will have their posts hidden and be unable to vote on comments until their point total rises. This doesn't happen unless one's vote tally goes sufficiently into negative numbers.
if you are posting nonsense that is one thing. maybe I am too new and have not seen anything out of line. Of course, I watch many networks and then decide.
You've come after my "reformation". I deleted all my comments in the post with the offending comment. At present I am winging it, while attempting to remain civil, as I have not yet been told what to say... upon penalty of expulsion.
Look at your points! You were a valued member. Why risk that with "enrage"? Again, you have not answered what would Michelle have said to your comments this week?
Michelle who? You mean Ms Malkin? I have no idea; I haven't read much of what she's had to say ever since I tweeted a link to a Jessie J music video and she blocked me. Close to a year now, I think.
I was wondering the same thing... thought it strange we have to click on the post to see what it is; of course, with the warning of "post hidden due to..." warning, it makes it less likely that one would click; after all, since its hidden, it must be spam. Nichts gut. Verboten.
Even if it isn't.
I agree some people post a lot of tripe and sludge worthy of Balph Eubanks, but the exposition of this tripe is the best weapon against it... not making the overarching decision to hide it for our own good.
Yes, that is what the media does now, hide the news that we do not need to see, for our own good. It was easier when the 3 networks and the newspaper were deciding what news we need. North Korea is still trying.
I'm still relatively new her in the Gulch but I have found the point system a little confusing, but am starting to get the hang of it. A post or comment may be +’d or –‘d without a comment being made. OK I understand that only plus or minus if I've given a comment. To date I have not given anyone a minus. I have not agreed with some of the posts but it is the right to post what you want. As far as hiding posts or comments that have a negative score, I don't think that should happen. Any item posted or any comment should be shown negative rating or not. The negatively rated posts and comments are as informative as any other. It shows the leanings of the majority of the readers. If we're voting (and we're not) I vote let all post be shown.
No there was someone that posted something vile, he proved the point of that debate but the example provided was over the line. He refused to even apologize and went on with another rant, that contained some valid points acknowledged his error but they want him to apologize so he is censured when he posts they appear to automatically get hidden unless people want to look at it. So is it censored in this case or censured? It is censured.
Geesh,Hiraghm I am afraid to look at the story. You went waaaaaaaaay over the line of common decency. I shut that pig Miley Cyrus off and I tell people they need to pull up their pants. What is gained by being so provacative? You know that example was vile but you should also recognize she was pissed off and rightly so. Yes I know they don't care how provacative they are when they speak about things they don't agree with,**** hairy balls comes to my mind but, your timing was wrong and your pride was your enemy.
Don't follow the link; thanks to the wonderfully skillful programming of the website, it's not a link to her post, but a link to the article she linked in her post.
There is no reason for anyone to say *** hairy balls either it's vile and offensive too. but I am a dissenting objectivist. it really don't matter to Objecitvists.they have more of a right to be here because they took an oath. Money suddenly seems less meaningful because I would have to sacrifice my mind. I hope you consider what I wrote her carefully, as I mean no mallice it is food for thought maybe for both of us. I really liked you. I know we are very much alike and very different at the same time so it makes problem solving a little rough around the edges I just put it on the table sometimes at the wrong time my brain fills up with too many thoughts at once to catch it all. But it looks like Hiraghm is digging a little deeper anyway..
What I don't understand is why Hiraghm's posts are getting hidden even though he has a high user score, and most of his posts, including the hidden ones, are either at the default 1 point, or sometimes at 2 points. Is there a possible third reason why someone's comments may be hidden?
Yes it's a popularity contest sometimes. If you don't like someone you can vote them out of sight. But you can always add points if you think it added to the conversation.
Stop your bitchin' about how the site is being run. Geez, just because you cough up a couple of bucks you think you have the right to dictate how the OWNER gets to run his property. As I said before, if you don't like it, then leave.
"The owner", I submit, is an inapt term. "The proprietor" would be accurate.
As for being on the top of the points, that's merely a function of having a lot to say, and having a bit of time in the past few weeks. That's about to change, so I'll likely be dropping rapidly and soon.
As for what others give me or ding me, that's up to them. For example, I see that my post above about complaining so much now has 5 points. That seems to indicate that 4 others found that useful, insightful, or agree.
There is only one poster here of whom I've ever made a concerted effort to affect - and that was due to an undue number of posts that were what I considered spam. If you hover your mouse over the down thumb you will see that it says to use that if "this is spam." I felt it was an appropriate use and will defend that position.
I'm sure you've thought the same thing in here when you read comments about Christianity that are incorrect.
Usually, those of us who've been around a long time will tell you if they are taking away a point. BUt they don't have to, and assuming you know who is doing it? My experience is you'd be wrong more than right.
I rarely down vote. As a matter of fact, if I'm going to give someone comment that I disagree with, depending on how important I find the discussion-I will upvote it. Then it moves to the top of the thread. You are a valued contributor. You will begin to see your point total moving up quicker the more you post relevant articles and thoughts that encourage good discussion. The more you can tie those posts back to Ayn Rand, Objectivism and the movies the more participation you'll see on your posts -at least until everyone gets to know you better. That's just my take, others may disagree.
I don't have a good solution, though, other than those who want other opinions just scrolling down to read the less popular posts.
Curiously enough, after less than a week(?), I cancelled my producer upgrade, have not yet received a partial refund, and yet am no longer able to send private messages.
I have been around for awhile. It is common for newbies to come to the site and want to make changes to fit their comfort level. The admins would have to tell you for sure, but the site has been very successful. Overall, there is lots of great content, including your mini-series post. Relax a little and wait awhile
I only downvote out-and-out spam or direct insults. I just scroll down for something interesting and don't take time to vote often. I do wish there were a thankyou button to register my interest without having to waste time with a reply saying I agree.
I agree. I most often want someone to know I agree or appreciate their comment. It would be a nice feature. I don't now how hard that is to implement
http://www.galtsgulchonline.com/faq
Where it shows your name in the "Who's Online" section or on your profile, that number next to it is your points total.
In order for your posts to be hidden due to low points, your points have to fall below some very low value. I don't remember what the number is off hand. But in practice, it only happens when someone is really making trouble and wasting everyone's time.
There are other rare cases where the site admins have to take some specific action regarding a member's posts / comments.
But the basic idea is that good discussion is rewarded in some way and unless purposely testing the boundaries, you don't have to worry about it.
People have always held the mistaken belief that I need an audience to pontificate, however :)
You mean Ms Malkin?
I have no idea; I haven't read much of what she's had to say ever since I tweeted a link to a Jessie J music video and she blocked me. Close to a year now, I think.
I no longer care what your opinions are of me, or anything else.
Even if it isn't.
I agree some people post a lot of tripe and sludge worthy of Balph Eubanks, but the exposition of this tripe is the best weapon against it... not making the overarching decision to hide it for our own good.
Just my 2 cent opinion.
It was easier when the 3 networks and the newspaper were deciding what news we need. North Korea is still trying.
As far as hiding posts or comments that have a negative score, I don't think that should happen. Any item posted or any comment should be shown negative rating or not. The negatively rated posts and comments are as informative as any other. It shows the leanings of the majority of the readers.
If we're voting (and we're not) I vote let all post be shown.
Here's a link to the vile subject:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...
http://www.galtsgulchonline.com/posts/4a...
http://www.galtsgulchonline.com/posts/4a...
Let me once again compliment you on the high quality of design that's gone into the gulch website, sdesapio.
I was going to remove this comment lest someone follows the link and has a stroke.
You haven't seen his worst.
Very well...
"you are sorry to her and show it".