Peter King: Boehner exit means 'the crazies have taken over the party'
“I think whoever runs for speaker should make it clear that he’s not going to give in to these people. We’re not going to appease them," he concluded. "The time for appeasement is over.” - Peter King.
So, King thinks that the GOP-e has been appeasing the base? That's a neat trick while they're also cowering in the corner licking Obama's boots.
Good luck with that, "the time for appeasement is over," strategy, Pete.
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Oh yeah, please remember, my Two Strike Policy is always in effect.
http://www.galtsgulchonline.com/posts...
So, King thinks that the GOP-e has been appeasing the base? That's a neat trick while they're also cowering in the corner licking Obama's boots.
Good luck with that, "the time for appeasement is over," strategy, Pete.
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Oh yeah, please remember, my Two Strike Policy is always in effect.
http://www.galtsgulchonline.com/posts...
As a registered Conservative, I am embarrassed that he is supported by a party that is supposed to support limited government and individual rights.
It's time for him to go.
Jan
Yours to decide.
See, for example, The Bill of No Rights (google or on my site at http://www.plusaf.com/lessons/noright...
I am not 'choosing to offend people's cherished beliefs.'
I am choosing to question assertions by others which seem illogical to me. I'm challenging their positions, so if that's 'offending people's beliefs' that's their problem and they can call off the discussion on their own and I will respect that.
I don't like Eudaimonia's style of 'my way or the highway' or 'it's my thread so follow all of MY rules... or Else!' including his Three Strikes Rule.
My 'three strikes rule' is that, when i realize that a discussion HAS faded into ad hominem 'logic' and 'Reason and Logic haveLeft The Building', I'm also free to 'take my ball and go home' and leave the playing field... even if I'll be accused of 'losing the argument' by people with whom it's just become 'no fun to play with any more.'
And, frankly, I've seen way more of that here than I like.
Thanks for your comment.
Cheers!
A while back, I too dared to question some premises and was banished to the Outer Darkness by the originator of the thread. Who cares?
At the end of the day, it's nothing more than words on a screen, so why be troubled by it?
http://www.plusaf.com/_troll-pix/trol...
And while I do not doubt that there is a "Religious Right", it is no where near the number, intensity, or danger that those who rail against it would have us believe.
As a proof of this statement I point to Leonard Peikoff who endorsed a known Marxist agitator over a supposed religious right bogey-man.
And to call Donald Trump a conservative is a joke, the conservatives hate him.
I have only proved to you nothing because there are way too many on this board who believe that anyone who disagrees with their own conclusions are not only mistaken, but morally corrupt - so those points are summarily dismissed.
Now, get off of my thread.
Reason has repeatedly documented that the anti-PP videos are doctored to deceive, and that PP has done nothing wrong in its disposal of waste from its operations. But the pro-life side persists in screaming about those things in order to distract the (mostly pro-choice) media from covering "progress" the pro-life side has made -- including both the Federal ban on abortions after 20 weeks (now pending in Congress) and requirements for hospital admission arrangements that have successfully shut down most clinics in places like Texas and Mississippi.
But Eudaimonia is partly right here -- the Religious Right are losing on most issues, mostly because they are old people and are not recruiting as fast as they are dying of old age.
What makes me ROFL is the assertion that the Religious Right are RINOs. This depends on what beliefs you think make someone a "real Republican", but for many years, religious conservatism was the correct answer to that question. It's primarily the influence of big spenders like Huckabee and Romney, and the big money donors who back them, that has made the GOP move away from religious (and small-government) conservatism to the point that the Tea Party movement was needed to save the GOP. At which point, a lot of libertarians like myself, who had earlier written off the GOP as hopeless, felt we now had hope because there aren't enough religious conservatives to keep control, either of the Tea Party movement or of the GOP if and when the movement takes over the GOP.
Now, like ewv, I would prefer that the Tea Party movement's main focus be on liberty (or at least cutting spending) rather than the Bible. But I'm not afraid of the Bible thumpers because there is no way the Tea Party will ever get a chance to implement their agenda (in the ways it differs from the libertarians' agenda). Demographics are winning this battle for us, so it need not be fought.
You're right about the Planned Parenthood controversy as a surrogate for anti-abortion and the latest defunding controversy over it. The world is in decline all around us and we have conservative politicians in Washington concentrating on lynching PP. They are funding Obama with more controls, taxes and spending, but they are making a "shutdown" war over PP the central battle. They aren't even trying to reduce spending over it, only shift the funding to similar groups under an Alinskyite nihilistic tactic of "RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” It's shear anti-intellectual agitation and chaos for a religious agenda. Robert Tracinski wrote a good analysis of the organized hysteria over PP in its early stages, but I don't know if he's followed up http://www.tracinskiletter.com/2015/0...
I, like you, also do not think that the RINOs are the Religious Right. The RINOs, for the most part, want nothing to do with the Religious Right.
It makes for an odd mix:
- the RINOs have Huckabee, the Conservatives have Santorum - both of whom I consider to be men of faith who let their faith get in the way.
- the RINOs have Romney, the Conservatives have Cruz - both of whom I consider to be men of faith who do not let their faith get in the way (at least not to the point of a Huckabee or Santorum)
- Only the Conservatives have Rand Paul
- Only the RINOs have Jeb Bush
I think that the Tea Party has not veered from its initial mission. What I see instead is some people with too stringent a litmus test in which any level of personal faith equates to potential theocrat. I think that those assertions are unreasonable. And because of that, I think that too stringent a litmus test is also unreasonable.
The sad fact is that we already live under a theocracy. Karl Popper claimed that Marxism is a religion. I think that he is correct in this. And if he is correct, we are already there. So why are we quibbling about potential theocrats when we have actual ones in office forcing their will on us daily?
You stated that "I point to Leonard Peikoff who endorsed a known Marxist agitator over a supposed religious right bogey-man" as "proof" that the "Religious right is no where near the number, intensity, or danger that those who rail against it would have us believe" . Your assertion is both false and obviously not a "proof" of your claim.
Correct, and I have not done so.
"or any discussion within it... and not your thread"
Incorrect.
It has been long standing policy of this forum that posters had the ability and the choice to police their own posts.
That is why the hide option is there for posters.
I have used my Two Strike policy to police my threads when someone resorts to ad hominem, and will do so again.
Strike 2
Whether or not you understand that, this has nothing to do with "ad hominem arguments". A simple assertion presented as a statement of fact is not argument at all, let alone an ad hominem. Eudaimonia's accusations are false. Those who understand what the meaning of the principle of the fallacy of the ad hominem argument will ironically find it in his own rationalizations for his overtly tyrannical, punitive behavior. It's not even an ordinary, clean ad hominem, it fabricates the irrelevant premise as well.
http://www.galtsgulchonline.com/posts...
I'm sure our Founding Fathers were called crazies.
There's a mental image!
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(Eudamonia routinely suppressed all my posts in his emotional outburst, it has nothing to do with content.)
To answer, "How do I know?", Boehner's reign as Speaker of the House was one of vindictiveness, with Peter King as one of his chief lieutenants. If the new Speaker acts like the vast majority of politicians do (i.e. vindictively), then King will be relegated to being a backbencher. There is no guarantee that Boehner's replacement will not also be a RINO, and there is no guarantee that the new speaker will not be vindictive. Both have chances of occurring, albeit small chances, so ewv has a point.
My response that King's success is over had more to do with how King equated Republican success with his own success.
Was King so closely allied with Boehner and his manipulations that he is in danger? I don't see any sign yet that the establishment is thinking of giving up real power to the insurgents. They typically will go down with the ship they sink rather than give up their own power, like in Atlas Shrugged. Insider establishment power politics has run the House for a very long time. It didn't start with Boehner and won't end with his resignation . I don't think we have anywhere near the whole story on why Boehner resigned. It doesn't seem to be like the straightforward resignation from the Senate by Olympia Snowe for the reasons she gave, even though their public statements are similar. As Speaker, Boehner has been under different kinds of pressures and I wonder if he really quit only out of discouragement as a failed Pragmatist dealing with increasing contention between adamant factions.
(The 'downvotes' and 'hiding' regardless of content have come from a personal vendetta trying to be deliberately punitive.)
Mark Meadows, a non-RINO congressman, has been digging away at the roots to Boehner's power and has finally gotten his first treasure. Whether he can topple the entire RINO establishment remains to be seen.
Sequestration is one of the major faulty buzz words, meaning, "We'll confuse the Hicks in the bushes by slowing growth by 2 percent." In reality there is 20 percent waste in every Executive Level Department, Agency, Commission, and Board. and it has been missed because Congress has been voting on total departmental budgets instead of examining every line Item in every budget.
Procurement has been a mess since FDR threw out the Zero Based Budget format that was the standard since the beginning. The old way DOD or its authorized elements, i.e. the Navy, would publish a specification, manufacturers wishing to compete for the contract would make testable examples or plans for larger items like ships. A winner would be selected and a contract written. Under FDR the DOD Element awarded the Contract to a politically favored son, and a the Government paid for all the R & D.
liberals are the opposite and usually define the outsiders....
Wonder how the left will spin this one.
A word of warning. Not time to celebrate yet. The Boehner Ouster was and inside the left. May have left a chink in their armor but it was an inside job and all the likely replacements fully support the GOP staying as the right wing OF the left.
Now if you take the handful that are not RINOs find out they are the majority of the GOP and Kick them out of the party or start a new GOP that are not lapdogs of the left. THAT would be a very liberal and bold move and mean something worth celebrating
Until then businsess as usual..
What would it take? Another Gingrich has been mentioned
argue with others, some of whom have produced objective
value in their lives. . it's like Oz criticizing Dorothy for
having Toto -- care for someone yourself, sir!!! -- j
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