Trump may sue Club For Growth for lies

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  • Posted by WilliamRThomas 9 years, 1 month ago
    Trump doesn't have a leg to stand on. Yay, Club for Growth!

    Trump is riding on his celebrity status and hitting the hot buttons of the nativist and collectivist factions in the Republican Party.

    http://atlassociety.org/commentary/co...
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    • Posted by term2 9 years, 1 month ago
      Do I detect a hatred for Trump? Sounds emotionally based to me.
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      • Posted by WilliamRThomas 9 years, 1 month ago
        Emotionally, re Trump for President: fear and loathing. He would be very dangerous. The model of the imperial President and vaguely fascist in most of his views.Plus, he is a lout. Thus, the emotions are fear and loathing.

        I give my reasons in the article I linked to above. My emotions, such as they are, are a result of studying Trump's messages and manner. They are the result of my reasoning in this case, not its cause.
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        • Posted by term2 9 years, 1 month ago
          At least he is OUT there. Compare with sneaky and underhanded and lying Obama. I would much rather have a Trump who just puts it out there to be thought about than a back door Reid or Pelosi. Obama is the fascist dictator, as would Hillary be too. If I had a choice of this contender crowd, I would pick Rand Paul first because he has more of the rational thinking than any of the others. Second would be Trump because he would tell us if the emperor had no clothes and not care about political correctness. After that would be Ben Carson- although his religious zealotry bothers me. After that I dont think I would vote at all- just letting the country go as it may down the socialist road.
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          • Posted by conscious1978 9 years, 1 month ago
            Just because Trump is "out there" admitting he has been a government crony isn't a qualification for POTUS.
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            • Posted by term2 9 years, 1 month ago
              I think 4 years of telling it like it is would be a good thing as president. Talk about "change"- there it is. Obama wasnt change at all. 4 years of no political correctness as the watchword for behavior would be good also. Not to say 8 years is needed to shake things up.
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            • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 9 years, 1 month ago
              What, exactly, IS the qualification for POTUS? Seems we're accepting anyone for the job, now days...just look at who we've had for the past 6+ years.
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              • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 1 month ago
                It used to be age and born in the USA. So now we're down to one apparently.

                The remainder of the list is None.

                No requirement for education or proof thereof
                No requirement for an employment history
                Extra credit giving for never having worked
                The exception is if the individual was employed must have a poor work record.
                and finally

                Must be on the 'it's my turn list.'

                Two parts to that. Individual and group.

                Extra credit for taking cuts. (I got that from Hillary)
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              • Posted by conscious1978 9 years, 1 month ago
                The "past 6+ years" + Trump is what our Momma meant when she said, "two wrongs don't make a right."

                There are many good qualifications for POTUS, among which would be to protect individual rights, fidelity to the Constitution, and properly defending the nation. I see nothing in the juvenile, thin-skinned behavior of Trump that fits the job.

                In foreign affairs, after Obama, other people in the world wonder if they can trust us. After a few years of Trump's unedited mouth, more will have weapons pointed at us, or worse.
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    • Posted by kevinw 9 years, 1 month ago
      Trump is running as many things he is not. (Or at least has not proven himself to be.) A conservative, a republican, (neither of which are truly a big deal) but also a capitalist. Many of his supporters and probably all of his detractors think of him as the face of capitalism. I'm afraid that a Trump presidency may be the final nail in the coffin for genuine capitalism and it's supporters. At least as far as the voting public is concerned.
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  • Posted by SaltyDog 9 years, 1 month ago
    Heaven forbid that this catch on! You think the courts are jammed up now, just wait until politicians start suing each other for lying!
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    • Posted by term2 9 years, 1 month ago
      They could start with Obama for promising to get us out of Iraq, and winding up getting us more into Iraq, also into Afghanistan, wanting to get us into Syria.
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      • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 1 month ago
        But you can keep your soldiers if you like them! Just like your doctors, your healthplan, your ...
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        • Posted by term2 9 years, 1 month ago
          I am really tired of all the politician's lies and promises they cant and wont ever deliver on. Its time I think to distrust and ignore almost everything political leaders say. Hence the desire for a nonpolitician candidate for president this time
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    • Posted by NealS 9 years, 1 month ago
      Politicians lying, there would be a lawsuit every time one opened their mouth.

      Actually Trump has done wonders for politics up to now. Now I think it's time for him to go away, he's starting to get on my nerves. In reality I'm finding him a lot like Obama. He's arrogant, he'll always want his way, not necessarily what the people want, and he'll do whatever he needs to do to get his way. It would all be about Trump, whatever he decides, not necessarily the wishes of the people. They are both very thin skinned too. We can do much better, I hope and pray.
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 9 years, 1 month ago
    If they are misrepresenting his position I'd think his challenge is perfect, we need more of this with the media. I'm sick of ads that make claims about a candidate that are false but linger forever and hurt their credibility ...Notable: "Sarah Palin can see Russia from her house."

    If Trump sues he will have to prove what they say is a lie. This will help him. If what they are saying is not a lie, it will hurt him. The media will have a field day reporting every moment and Trump will get even more exposure. again, Trump is crafty.
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    • Posted by term2 9 years, 1 month ago
      The suit would never get him publicity that will benefit his campaign, tho. Courts move too slowly.
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      • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 9 years, 1 month ago
        Thats what everyone keeps saying whenever he says anything..Even so, Trump has spent less on publicity than the other candidates.
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        • Posted by term2 9 years, 1 month ago
          He gets more play because he is echoing what a lot of people want- freedom from the lying manipulating politicians who hide. Also, ENOUGH of political correctness. He got my vote for both of those things, for 4 years anyway. I would love to sit in the oval office and listen to advisors trying to manipulate him on issues. He would treat them as he does his executives at Trump Intl. They would perform, OR ELSE.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 1 month ago
    I say the more people attack Trump, the more that means he is on the right track of exposing lies, manipulations, and other crimes our government is responsible for. He takes advantage of the current laws, as do most people, but he is the first one I have heard tell us he pays off politicians and expects (and gets) favors from them. He is bringing to light things which we, as citizens, should put a stop to. Politicians give favors all the time, and they should NOT. Term limit of ONE would help, as well as a constitutional amendment that forbids taking from one to give to another.
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    • Posted by conscious1978 9 years, 1 month ago
      So, why would you have any respect for someone that openly advocates cronyism? You, correctly, do not respect politicians engaged in money for favors; so, how does the crony making the payments become admirable? Does Trump get forgiveness because of his skill at engaging in corruption?

      The number of people critical of someone does not directly correspond to the accuracy of their views and ideas.
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      • Posted by term2 9 years, 1 month ago
        Companies sell to the government and get favors under the table all the time, but HIDE it. Trump is saying that if you dont like this, make it so the politicians cant grant favors. He is bringing the issue right out there to be seen. That is a good thing. I think a constitution amendment that prohibited the government from taking from one person and giving to another would be a good thing and I would like to see such an amendment.
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        • Posted by kevinw 9 years, 1 month ago
          "Trump is saying that if you dont like this, make it so the politicians cant grant favors". At what point is he saying this? He explained how the system works. He explained hoe he used the system to his advantage. But nowhere does he say anything about how he intends to change it or about how anybody else should. You are giving him credit where he deserves none. Yes he is bringing the issue out in the open but with no plan or intent to change it. It is his supporters that he is making a mockery of.
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          • Posted by term2 9 years, 1 month ago
            But why would he bring the subject up if he didnt want it changed? I would say the practice is universally regarded among the populace as a bad thing
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            • Posted by kevinw 9 years, 1 month ago
              Like I said, giving him credit where none is due. If he had any plans to change it or stop it then he would say so, but like everything else with Trump, there is no substance. It's like listening to Obeyme, six years ago, talking about hope and change. And the attention and support he gets is exactly the same, all based on rhetoric and what people are mysteriously convinced he will do, while evading what he is most likely to do based on his history. Why are all his answers so evasive? Because he doesn't want you to know the real answer. That works great when the questioner is trying to suck him into a political trap but some of these questions need real answers
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              • Posted by conscious1978 9 years, 1 month ago
                Kevin, I'm giving the point back that someone from the Trump party didn't want you to have. As a matter of fact, anyone critical of Trump on this post was just whittled down a bit.

                It is truly incredible what his die-hard fans will evade; it reminds me of the way Hillary supporters act.
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                • Posted by kevinw 9 years, 1 month ago
                  Thanks conscious, I saw the points drop a while ago but I had already done my upvoting.

                  These guys remind me of the Paul-bots a few years ago. Vile. Don't question their hero. Sad to say, I think my opinion of Ron Paul was actually negatively affected by the actions of his supporters.These guys aren't that bad yet but it's still early.
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              • Posted by term2 9 years, 1 month ago
                I think he is a lot less evasive than the other candidates. They arent saying anything either, primarily because its too early and they dont know what they would actually do if elected more than a year from now. I do trust Trump to represent the USA better than the others, particularly in foreign relations.
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                • Posted by kevinw 9 years, 1 month ago
                  Trump is less evasive than the other candidates? I'm going to have to not even go there.

                  If there was any real indication that he is who he says he is I'd be right there with you. I want him to be. The way business is right now, I need him to be. I would vote for him in a heartbeat. But there is none. He is not. That is depressing.
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                  • Posted by term2 9 years, 1 month ago
                    Its still early in the game though. We need a real administrator to run the government who wont put up with nonsense when presented to him.
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                    • Posted by kevinw 9 years, 1 month ago
                      +1 for that. But you have to completely ignore Trump's history to believe that he is the guy. Yes it is still early and he could still prove himself but I can not and will not support him until he does. If he gets the nomination and becomes president without proving himself there is no reason for him to be that guy later. He gets no free pass.

                      All that said, I will vote for him. I will continue to call him out and his supporters if he doesn't prove himself. But if he is the nominee, and he hasn't proven himself, then this country deserves what it gets. Even if it is Bernie Sanders. The people of this country will deserve every bit of it. At that point I will only desire/need a few good years with an energy friendly administration to prepare for my own version of shrugging. At that point, the only thing that makes even the act of voting within my rational self interest will be my improved ability to prepare.
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                      • Posted by term2 9 years, 1 month ago
                        Good plan. I am preparing to shrug already. Each new law thats passed gets us closer to 10-289. Our company already buys 80% of its components from china in order to keep employee levels here as low as possible and costs down. I am investing in automation more and more to get rid of the employees we have. Way to much hassle with government entitlement legislation to have employees here. As it is, we have only so called illegals because they arent spoiled yet and actually work. If they force us to go thru e-verify, I will have to really consider not doing any assembly here and laying off the illegals we have now.
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  • Posted by jabuttrick 9 years, 1 month ago
    What exactly is the lie supposed to be? Trump did support this wealth tax idea in 2000. It was reported at that time. Is he now saying that he never supported this idea? If so, how come he didn't sue those who reported it at that time? Is he saying that since he has now changed his mind nobody should be able to report what his prior position was? That's crazy. Is he saying that the Club for Growth falsely represented that this was his current position? But they did correctly cite to the 2000 reporting. So what exactly is his beef and how does it amount to defamation? This looks like a frivolous suit if it is ever filed.
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    • Posted by term2 9 years, 1 month ago
      One would assume that this organization is trying to dump on Trump and imply that he is suggesting the wealth tax NOW, which he is saying would not work at present at all due to the size of the national debt now (thanks to Obama).
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      • Posted by jabuttrick 9 years, 1 month ago
        But term2, they didn't suggest that at all. They suggested he is a flip flopper who can't be trusted to change again in the future to support such things as higher taxes, single payer healthcare and a whole range of other positions he has flirted with in the past. Sounds like fair comment to me.
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        • Posted by term2 9 years, 1 month ago
          its an agenda driven comment. changing ones mind in response to changing conditions is a PLUS for me.
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          • Posted by kevinw 9 years, 1 month ago
            What is it that makes you trust that he has actually changed his mind and is not just blowing smoke? I would love to find out that he is for real but his answers are so evasive and when I read between the lines what I come up with is Statist/Dictator for life. And possibly to an extent that would make Obeyme envious.
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            • Posted by term2 9 years, 1 month ago
              Look at the others and see what they are doing. We will wind up with one of the pack in the end. I dont expect Trump to be an Ayn Rand. I do like that he is politically incorrect and tells us when the emperor has no clothes. I would love it if , as president, he pardoned Snowden as a hero for telling us what the NSA was doing to us
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              • Posted by kevinw 9 years, 1 month ago
                But why? Why do you believe him? Why do you believe he might pardon Snowden. Do you really believe he is going to tell us about the emperors clothes when he is the emperor?

                What are the others doing? Huckabee is plenty honest, I just can't vote for somebody who is on a mission from god. Cruz is just about the same now. Carson? At least he wouldn't support a muslim. But plenty honest. Rubio? He's had to compromise a few times but I think he's honest enough. Fiorina? Dumb broad would support a muslim over someone of no faith. Where the hell did that come from?

                Then there's Rand Paul. Not perfect but a helluva lot better than Trump. At least he's for real.
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                • Posted by term2 9 years, 1 month ago
                  Rand Paul would be my number one, but I dont think he has the charisma, at least at this point, to get on the ballot. Carson was right about another muslim president, but I wonder if his reason was just to support HIS religion !! Rand Paul is not 100% Objectivist either, but I have to say that in this climate a real Objectivist wouldnt get very far at all.
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                  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 1 month ago
                    Anyone up for side bet? Carly vs. Biden. not my picks I'm just reading the bookie sheets.
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                    • Posted by term2 9 years, 1 month ago
                      I agree the dems will nominate Biden. I think Trump is the only one with enough support to get the repub nomination. If he doesnt get it outright, its going to be a mess between Bush and Carly. If its Biden vs Trump, Trump is going to be the next president.
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                      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 1 month ago
                        I'm betting that given Carlys over all over all the Dems will slip the word to support her. Remember the whole thing is street theater.,

                        a. They are saddled with a loser in Hillary
                        b. Kerry is a time bomb
                        c. Sanders a no go.
                        d. Biden a joke show but he does what he's told if their are no women around
                        They have to live down the disaster of Obeyme.
                        And their Reichs Fuhrer isn't looking for anyone to break the Demos plan.

                        Carly already stated she was a Democrat
                        Is a Socialist Corporatist in a party the Demos control. Basically has all the attributes of a left winger including RINO status.

                        And is female. They will play the 'its my turn card' but not the way Hillary envisioned. She'll end up one of the networks as a talking head sock puppet. Couple of book deals, another ten or twenty mill in the bank.

                        The mantra will be. We beat the left and good times are back. The left will then sit one even two out and find somebody else.

                        It's win win win all around for the Government Party.

                        To get Trump in would take a full blown revolution. To start with he's got two big holes one in each foot. So....the thing to do is.

                        Figure out how to exploit the weakness at the precinct levels. going after appointed offices, easy win precincts and building a real second party. For sure whoever gets this one and gives another eight years of same old same old will be ripe for plucking. There's the smell of political blood in the air and most of these smart people think the smell is someone else's.
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                        • Posted by term2 9 years, 1 month ago
                          So maybe Carly will jump ship if she doesnt get the nomination and turn democrat? So then it might be Carly vs Trump in the general election. Its more than a year off yet, so anything could happen.
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                          • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 1 month ago
                            When you are in control you can do anything you want and that Wasserman is a Test y ...individual and a major control freak. She can set it up anyway she wants. .
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                            • Posted by term2 9 years, 1 month ago
                              No matter what I think, or how I vote, I suspect our country will go socialist a little or a lot, the national debt will be repudiated through inflation, deficit spending wont stop, and the US dollar will drop drastically due to some sort of international crisis. In addition the government will pass more laws like directive 10-289. I plan to be into gold, and out of business by then, and financially independent.
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              • Posted by jabuttrick 9 years, 1 month ago
                Has he indicated even the slightest sympathy for Snowden or is this just wishful thinking on your part? For someone with actual positions you might like on taxation and the NSA check out Rand Paul's website. or better yet, Gary Johnson.
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                • Posted by term2 9 years, 1 month ago
                  wishful thinking, but freeing snowden would be just the thing Trump would do if elected. Probably doesnt want to touch it before then , though
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                  • Posted by jabuttrick 9 years, 1 month ago
                    I kind of think Trump, if asked about Snowden, would probably attack his physical appearance and then call him a traitor who will definitely be returned to the U.S. to face punishment after trump is elected because Putin will return him out of fear/respect for Trump. Just guessing, of course, since it impossible to know what Trump's principles are.
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                    • Posted by term2 9 years, 1 month ago
                      Snowden was politically incorrect in exposing Obama's NSA. I would think Trump would respect that, especially since Snowden didnt sell out secrets- he only wanted the US citizens to stop the NSA spying on them.
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                      • Posted by jabuttrick 9 years, 1 month ago
                        You and I are both guessing about what Trump thinks on this issue. He will, of course, attack Obama for failing to lead regarding Snowden. That is virtually the only certainty.
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                        • Posted by term2 9 years, 1 month ago
                          and I think Trump is smart enough NOT to bring up Snowden during the time leading up to the election. Too many people are still politically correct now, and that would lead them to bringing Snowden back for trial.
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          • Posted by jabuttrick 9 years, 1 month ago
            If he suddenly said he has come to realize that taxation is theft I'd be willing to listen. Anything short of that he would have to explain why he supported this confiscation of wealth in the past and how we can trust him not to support it in the future. I haven't heard anything like that from him. Have you?
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            • Posted by term2 9 years, 1 month ago
              I dont think he regards taxation as theft in a philosophical sense. What I got from the interview was that AT THE TIME the national debt COULD be erased totally with that wealth tax percentage. BUT it would have to be coupled with no more deficit spending, OR it was was useless exercise. Since that time, the national debt has ballooned out of control and that percentage would not cover the national debt at all, and obviously the deficit spending thing has not been addressed. Therefore he changed his mind about even the practicality of paying off the debt
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              • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 1 month ago
                I recall he paid off about 30 billion or something like that. Turned out it was regular T Bill turn overs that cashed out. might have 35 billion. April of 2013 nothing since then or before then. Current increase is1.9billion more in debt each day.

                We'll get another round of war, phony crisis, inflation, devaluation and debt repudiation. This time it will take $50 current dollars to equal one 1900 dollar in buying power IF we're lucky. VotingDemocrat will be a for sure on that.l Voting republican is like a 1" speed bump

                The estimated population of the United States is 321,446,795
                so each citizen's share of this debt is $56,474.01.

                That's off because I repudiated my share.

                http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/
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                • Posted by term2 9 years, 1 month ago
                  Pretty upsetting what these politicians have done. When Enron, et al, does this kind of thing they all go to jail. I worked all my life and they are poised to take what I saved. If I buy gold, they will make me a criminal for hoarding it (but they will have to find it...).
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                  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 1 month ago
                    And everyone says the same thing every time.Nothing changes. Question is what are you willing to do? Remember Sean Connery in the Chicago movie? What are you prepared to do?"
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      • Posted by JohnConnor352 9 years, 1 month ago
        He should be challenged to support his reasoning for supporting such plans in 2000, and what has changed his opinion now.
        Higher national debt is not a reason for no longer supporting a tax increase. That's absurd. Tax increases would (if you believe the Keyensian view) reduce the debt. But even if you don't, why would you want a wealth tax increase when our debt was (relatively) low?

        I think his flip flopping demonstrates a lack of integrity in his political positions and indicates that he will take any position temporarily in order to win political favor.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 1 month ago
          Funny how they change the definitions even on Keynes. He ended his explanation with....it works until you haven't the money to pay the interest. What he forgot was or until you renege. Another word for repudiate. For me it's not a renege though. We loaned them that money they owe us premiums, or we call it a bad debt and bring in the collectors. They have zero or minus zero credit rating.but a lot of guns. Remember Mark Twain/Samuel Clements said Congress is a America's only true home grown criminal class. So why are we contemplating voting for practicing felons?
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        • Posted by term2 9 years, 1 month ago
          Actually he did talk about this, although I dont remember where I read the interview. In essence, he said that it was his current opinion that paying off the national debt would just encourage it to be built up again because the desire to overspend has not been corrected.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 1 month ago
    Hasn't everyone done something in the past that they are uncomfortable about in the present? That's not an excuse, but at the very least an insight. Trump appears to be very thin-skinned and is not averse to burning bridges. On the other hand, if his allegations are true, then the recompense he is asking is quite mild. The thing about rich guys is the same as big corporations. They can afford to sue or be sued without much damage, whereas those not super-rich do not have the money to have the staying power that extended lawsuits cost.
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  • Posted by $ number6 9 years, 1 month ago
    Thew dumold also likes to threaten lawsuits to get additional coverage and bluff ....

    This new book is very enlightening about him :

    Never Enough: Donald Trump and the Pursuit of Success by Michael D'Antonio
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  • Posted by Russell-Patton-Davis 9 years, 1 month ago
    The 'Club for Growth' does not facilitate discussion of their agenda. That greatly taints their appearance of intent, IMHO. Even so there attack on Trump appear well founded - the question begged by suppression of dialog is "To Whose Benefit".
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