Flu Hooey - How the CDC lies to overstate the benefits of flu shots

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hidden in the bowels of Table 10, the decomposition is found for the year 2010 — apparently taking three full years to count up all the carnage: a measly 500 deaths from influenza; 50,097 from pneumonia. That's ripe: 500 flu deaths, 50,097 pneumonia deaths (100 times more), and the CDC sticks 50,597 into its flu report. Is the flu vaccine lobby that powerful? And where's the pneumonia lobby? I want a pneumonia shot.

To some of us, grossly exaggerating influenza threats to expand public vaccination is a despicable approach to conducting a national influenza control and prevention program. But what's a little disease-mongering when you’re saving lives? And there is nothing like an occasional threat of an epidemic, better yet a pandemic, to win over anyone left undaunted by the flagrantly massaged mortality and morbidity statistics of mundane seasonal flu.
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  • Posted by roadgypsy 10 years, 9 months ago
    A while back, I was told by someone in the medical community, that since they don't know what type of flu virus will be prevalent during the upcoming flu season, they make an "educated" guess as to what the virus might be since they need a lead time to make the vaccinations available.

    I'm 64 and have never had a flu shot. Have I gotten sick from a flu in the past? Yes. But since I haven't taken them I have built up immunities, and can't remember the last time I caught the flu, even though everyone in my household caught it (up to 5).

    if you don't trust the CDC, you have a simple solution: don't f--kin take it.
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    • Posted by $ stargeezer 10 years, 8 months ago
      Remeber, the same government that told you that EVERYBODIES healthcare was going to drop $2500 a year and that you would be able to keep your Doctor ALSO tells you that you need to buy this shot, FOR YOUR OWN GOOD. Sure.

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  • Posted by $ Stormi 10 years, 9 months ago
    I got one flu shot, swine flu, years ago, and thought I would die. I found out I was allergic to eggs and my brain swelled. Every year my doctor, who never met a drug he did not like, offers me the shot, and is reminded of my allergy. A friend took the flu shot a few years back, became paralyzed, and spent months in the hospital rehabbing. I always think of Gate's remark about thinning the population, "Vaccines are the way to go." Eerie.
    A few years ago, my husband went through Atlanta when H1N1 was popping up, came home with it. Gave it to me. When I talked to our doctor, he said no, if we had nausea, it was not flu. I gave him an article saying it certainly was part of H1N1. I told him I was not coming in, as there were sick people in the office, and I could not take any of his anti-flu meds, as I was allergic to penicillin., That was the only flu I had in years, and we did survive it.
    It is not just flu vaccines, it is cures for a lot of diseases which will never happen. Charter fund raising organizations for specific diseases collect billions of dollars to find cures, yet curing them would mean they would lose their charters and the billions that went with them. Follow the money.
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  • Posted by RobertFl 10 years, 9 months ago
    But you don't know how many actually got the flu, and how many people avoided getting the flu because of the vaccine.
    the fact, you are more like to get the Flu in the 21st century than you were prior.
    Is the vaccine effective? hard to say. Will it harm you?? I dunno.
    If you live in rural America, I'd say you don't need it. If you have kids in public schools, or work with people with kids, I'd say you should consider it. The problem is, there are too damn people in the world and many are disgusting pigs.
    I'd have less of a problem with the flu shot if I had trust in the government.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 9 months ago
    Pertinent Excerpt:
    A 2012 Scientific American article addressed the paucity of evidence behind pretentious CDC vaccination claims. According to Cochrane Collaboration research referenced in the exposé, vaccines approved for children under the age of 2 “are not significantly more efficacious than placebo.” For older children, "the shot reduces the absolute risk that a child will catch the flu by about 3.6 percent, whereas the live (inhaled) vaccine reduces the absolute risk by about 17 percent."
    Adults under 65 "have about a four percent chance of catching the flu if they don’t get the vaccine and about a one percent chance if they do."

    For adults over 65, there is only one vaccine that has been shown to protect against infection or death, "an inhalable vaccine that contains a live, modified version of the virus [wait for it . . .] which is not approved in the U.S. for adults over age 50."

    Regarding claims that vaccination slows the spread of flu virus, "there are no data showing that this is true."
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    • Posted by MikeJoyous 10 years, 9 months ago
      Very interesting! I'm over 65. I took the flu and the pneumonia vaccines recently. Kaiser urged them on me. I trust Kaiser fundamentally, though, so I suspect there must be more to this story.
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  • Posted by Danno 10 years, 9 months ago
    Haven't taken flu shoot since 2003 and no flu since. Make sure Vitamin D, 25(OH)D, level is between 50-80 ng/ml and 1 to 2 tsp of Now Foods liquid omega-3 per day.
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    • Posted by $ blarman 10 years, 8 months ago
      Same here. The only time I ever got a flu shot, the entire IT department got it the same day. Three of us (two guys, one gal) were sick for the next two days. The other guy? He refused the vaccine.

      And I've never gotten the vaccine since.
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      • Posted by $ Mimi 10 years, 8 months ago
        I notice that the only people who I knew that were getting the flu were people who ended up getting the flu shot. When I would ask them about this they always responded the same way-- that they were fully protected but they had contracted a different strain. Either way, I’ve always avoided getting a flu shot because I think it makes you more vulnerable based on my observations. I haven’t had the flu in thirty years.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 10 years, 9 months ago
    "Is the flu vaccine lobby that powerful?"

    Yes. It's the most powerful lobby in American history. I know - I have cashed in on it.

    "At times like these, when men's fat little comforts are threatened you can be sure that science is the first thing they abandon." I'm typing that out of memory. Anybody else remember it from Atlas Shrugged?
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  • Posted by Notperfect 10 years, 8 months ago
    I have used Colloidal Silver for about 20 some odd years. Have not had the flu or cold in about 8-9 years. Reason I got sick I had quit making my Silver. Two of my youngest grandchildren caught a bad cold and flu from school ( usual place) and came and visited me. They were sneezing, coughing all the affects of the disease. The very next day I felt like someone dropped an elephant on my chest. Had chills, fever, coughing, sneezing and head ached. Should have gone to the Dr. then, but I waited. Few days later went to the Dr. he said I had Bronchitis on the verge of Pneumonia. I have taken the flu shot before, but I do not trust any of the vaccines out there. He gave me some Tylenol and I went home. That is when I remembered my Silver again and I made me some started a regiment at 60 ppm. Was not long and I was back to health. Go to Roby.com you can check out the machine to make it a pennies on the dollar. I still drink it to this day and do not get sick at all. I drink 40 ppm now and it works. Remember the old wives tale "Born with a silver spoon in your mouth". It meant those back in the day that owned silverware would stick a silver spoon in their childs mouth and make them suck on it to receive silver from the spoon. Roby.com check it out.
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  • Posted by Eyecu2 10 years, 8 months ago
    When I was in the US Army I was REQUIRED to get a flu shot every year and I immediately came down with the flu within a day or two after getting the shot. Since I left the Army in 1991 I have not had a flu shot and nor have I had the flu. Of course I cannot say with certainty why that happened but I can say that I will not be getting a flu shot in the future.
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  • Posted by Shadefly 10 years, 9 months ago
    Well, I don't know anyone who gets the flu that that does not get the flu. the response is 'Its only for a day, it would be a week if I didn't take the shot." bull hockey. the people I know who don't take the flu shot (like me) usually don't get the flu. of course they usually exercise, watch what we eat, and take vitamins (10000 IU of Dr. recommended vitamin D due to low D in blood tests).
    I also have the pleasure of testing my immune system weekly because my job (yes I am a producer like most on this site) takes me to different cities weekly in aluminum tubes with 130 of my closest (sic) friends with all kinds of crap. I think that has helped me build a pretty robust immunity to most flavors of flu. Anyway my point is if our society would take a look at lifestyle changes like getting off the couch or out of the video game chair the flu and other diseases might be less of a problem. diseases don't like heat and when move you body stays warmer hence less sickness. just my theory and experience.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 10 years, 9 months ago
    I watched a friend die of H1N1. She was a vibrant, intelligent, charismatic martial artist. She was 26 years old. Our work pays for flu shots - and we get them, remembering and missing our friend and colleague.

    Vaccines work. After improved environmental conditions (ie clean water/clean food) they are the major reason that our life spans have extended to the point that we are now running up against our life expectancies as our limiting factor. This was not the rule in prior eras: in Rome, the average plebeian life span was about 26 (a young man actually extended his probably life span by joining the military!); in the US in 1900 the average life span was about 45.

    Antibiotics come right after vaccines in terms of saving lives.

    Everyone has agenda; any tool can be misused...but medical technology has wrought wonders in our modern world. It should never be forced on anyone - but those people who make use of it should also be able to enjoy the benefits of their choices.

    Jan
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  • Posted by Temlakos 10 years, 9 months ago
    I take Vitamin D, 5000 IU per day. Most flu infections affect me no more severely than the common cold used to--and the common cold's effects are now limited to a few hours of throat irrltation.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 9 months ago
    I was surprised to find there really is a Scientific American article in 2012 reporting on this. It says the data supporting vaccines is based on meta-analyses, data from multiple studies, which are often problematic. Now that the consensus is that the flu vaccine saves lives, we cannot ethically do blinded studies. There is a chance that the flu virus is less effective than we think.

    This is not the same as saying there's a CDC conspiracy. The evidence still points to the vaccine being worthwhile, but it's not nearly as strong as I thought. It will be interesting to see what happens in future research.
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    • Posted by Danno 10 years, 9 months ago
      Flu vaccine may weaken immune system and make flu strains more virulent. Optimize Vitamin D, Omega-3, and electrolytes.
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      • Posted by RobertFl 10 years, 9 months ago
        Of course, Omega-3 supplements have been equally shown to be ineffective.
        Electrolytes?? Like Brawndo?
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        • Posted by Danno 10 years, 9 months ago
          I assume you are talking about the omega-3 study that this article rebuts http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2013/oct2...
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          • Posted by RobertFl 10 years, 9 months ago
            I guess it goes to my obscure point. Who are you going to trust? Everyone has an agenda.
            the FDA, USDA, and CDC were supposed to answer these questions for us and prevent us from buying snake oil (or Fish Oil). Now, we can't rely on them. All we have to go on is our gut feeling and preponderance of evidence from our own personal research. I don't think taking (natural) Fish Oil supplements will hurt you, the question is, does it do anything for you?
            I tend to go with, eat a balanced diet and you should't need supplements.
            BUT, if some sick ass sneezes on you - A flu shot might not be a bad idea, especially considering the designer BUGS we have now (or the ones the Chinese are manufacturing).
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 9 months ago
    hmmm. Let's see, is there a vaccine for pneumonia? No? Well that might be a reason.
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    • Posted by Zenphamy 10 years, 9 months ago
      Yes there is a pneumonia vaccine. Has been for some time.

      See http://www.webmd.com/vaccines/pneumococc...
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      • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 9 months ago
        Never heard of it.
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        • Posted by boboneck 10 years, 9 months ago
          I have. I took one at 50, and had another at 65. One is usually enough but after 65 I had it again. I have had a flu shot every year for 20 years, and I just had the Shingles shot this year. I had the Hepatitis B shots, along with my staff at a school in Miami. When you are living in a large area with a lot of students from other countries, you are crazy not to vaccinate. Google the "Great Flu Pandemic of 1918." It killed 50 million. Young adults were the hardest hit. Do the math.
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          • Posted by $ Mimi 10 years, 8 months ago
            About the shingle vac: I have thought not to get it. The virus emerges when your immune system weakens enough for it to leave it’s dormant hiding place. I almost feel gaining the empirical knowledge of exactly when your immune system has weakened due to age is almost worth suffering through a nasty bout of shingles.
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            • Posted by boboneck 10 years, 8 months ago
              Mimi, I've heard many horror stories about the pain and suffering of Shingles, but never reached a conclusion until I watched my father suffer horribly in his early sixties with the Shingles, and at that time, there wasn't a vaccine. It made me a believer. Medicare doesn't pay for this vaccine, but I didn't care. I researched it, consulted with my doctor, and paid out of pocket. It was painless, and I never had any side effects, (same with the flu shots). I figure there will be ample medical issues to research, as I age without the Shingles.
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              • Posted by $ Mimi 10 years, 8 months ago
                My mother had the shingles. I’m not denying it’s painful, I’m just pondering whether getting the shot and avoiding the shingles is as beneficial as letting nature run it’s course. There doesn’t seem to be any long-term damage from suffering from the shingles (on average the symptoms last 4-6 weeks), and by letting nature take it’s course. and I gain the benefit of having actual evidence of exactly when my immune system hass weaken to a point that I can’t rely on it. Someone around here ask why old people are more prone to catching pneumonia. Well, this is why. Their immune system have aged to the point of being non- effective, causing too much work for the respiratory system to handle on it’s own. Their lungs fill up with fluid much easier than someone who has a working immune system. There isn’t any test that I know of that can tell you that your immune system is compromised.other than developing an auto-immune disease or in this case-developing a case of shingles. If I cross the Rubicon, I want to know it.

                I guess I’m just a tough cookie, or a gambler or maybe a bit of both. ;) I also am still thinking about this. It does look incredibly painful. I intend to make up my mind about this soon since I have hit the fifty-mark.
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                • Posted by 10 years, 8 months ago
                  Be proactive and help maintain the immune system. Read about how with age your body can't absorb enough vitamins, minerals from foods and use supplements based on what your body tells you. Whne you have some knowledge then talk to a nutritionist who understands the pros and cons of alopathic medicine, and how to help the body deal with pollutants etc as it ages. You will be able to keep the body happier and the immune system stronger for a lot longer, and not have to suffer the horrors. Best wishes to you.
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                • Posted by boboneck 10 years, 8 months ago
                  I am near the 70th mark, and still get carded to receive over 50 senior benefits in Florida when I visit. It makes my day every time, lol. I stay active and I try to take care of myself, and I can't remember when I was last on an antibiotic. So I think I have a strong immune system. As far as pneumonia goes, I think that susceptibility to it may depend on smoking and drinking in the past. Not always, but many people are harming themselves in ways they aren't aware of, until they are old. I'm not a gambler, but I do know that life is a crap shoot sometimes, so I will err on the side of prevention and precaution. I do know that most people get Shingles later on in their life, so I felt confident that this was the time for me to get it. I'm the matriarch of a lot of kids, so I don't want to be a burden before my time. ;-D
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    • Posted by irrelevantcommentforpoint 10 years, 9 months ago
      And if there was one and it was as impressive as the flu vaccine, the CDC would probably include cancer cases in the stats to get more people to be vaccinated.
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      • Posted by Boborobdos 10 years, 9 months ago
        Consider Guardicsil. It reduces some of the HPV viruses that are known to cause cancer. That doesn't guarantee that some individuals won't get cancers from other causes, but it certainly impacts the herd and reduces some particular odds. IOW, overall more people are healthier.
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    • Posted by $ jlc 10 years, 9 months ago
      There is a vaccine against Streptococcus pneumoniae, one of the major cause of pneumonia. It is a one-time vaccination if administered at the age of 65; if given to a person who is younger, a single booster is recommended.

      Jan
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      • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 9 months ago
        Is this a common vaccine? Why do so many elderly contract pneumonia?
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        • Posted by $ jlc 10 years, 9 months ago
          Yes, it is common. Thank you for the insightful query - it made me go and look up 'why'. The CDC says that about 30% of the elderly have been vaccinated against Strep pneumo, so while the vaccine is easily available (and has been for decades...at least I remember hearing about it when I was still working in a lab, and that was 20 years ago) it is not universally used. The other reason is that Strep pneumo is not the only cause of pneumonia - other strains of bacteria can cause it, as can viruses - Strep pneumo is merely the most common cause.

          Jan
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    • Posted by Boborobdos 10 years, 9 months ago
      Actually Robbie, there are vaccines for pneumonia. The issue is that it isn't a single agent that causes the pneumonia.

      But you can certainly reduce the odds of getting it by: "Reduce Your Risk

      In the United States, there are several vaccines that prevent infection by bacteria or viruses that may cause pneumonia. These vaccines include
      •pneumococcal,
      •Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib),
      •pertussis (whooping cough),
      •varicella (chickenpox),
      •measles, and
      •influenza (flu).

      That's from: http://www.cdc.gov/Features/Pneumonia/

      I know, I know, there is a knee jerk around here against the CDC. But, what if they are right?
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