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USSR and Nazi Germany Two SIdes of Same Coin:

Posted by dbhalling 9 years, 2 months ago to History
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This is an amazing must see video that documents that the USSR and Nazi Germany were two side of the same coin. It also makes it clear that British and French socialist support both regimes.

This is what President Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Elizabeth Warren are fight for, except they are worse because they agree with the environmentalist movement that killing 95% of the world’s human population would be a good start.

A couple of history questions:
1) Why did France and Great Britain not declare war on the USSR when they invaded Poland? The reason they entered WWII was because of their treaty to protect Poland from aggression.
2) How much aid and technology did the US/Allies give the USSR in WWII?
SOURCE URL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPkTro6WnmU


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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 2 months ago
    Erased from memory? Not quite. There are still many families who remember the stories of how many escaped the Soviets and landed in Israel, New York, and Brazil. My Grandmother's cousin, Benjamin (Benny) was sent to the Gulag. He managed to escape and walked from Siberia to Poland over a period of three years (many horrendous stories to be told about that). He had friends in Warsaw and worked there for two years saving every penny. With false I.D. (we think) he made it to the USA. Took up his trade (tailor) became a citizen and got married. I was 20 when my fiancée and the family traveled to New York to attend his wedding. The stories he could tell, but never did. He only lived another ten years, but for him it was ten years in heaven.
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  • Posted by wiggys 9 years, 2 months ago
    my family left Russia between 1890 and 1900. seeing this makes me very grateful of their decision. I know of many who were just as fortunate as my self and many, many more that I do not know who were just as fortunate.
    this video should appear on pbs so all of the liberals can see the end result that is building from those they have put in power over the years culminating at this point in time with thus far with the worst of them.
    Ayn Rand has educated us to see what has been going on but far to few understand the warning. Fortunately what she wrote still exists and I like to think has a growing audience but is it to late?
    I think yes!
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 2 months ago
    A common fallacy is the left right business. There is a left and a right but they are only left and right OF the left.

    Communist style socialism holds that the government (the people uh huh right) own everything. The government runs and manages all business, all jobs, the entire economy.

    Nazi or more accurately fascist style socialism lets the business owners keep ownership but controls them through iron fisted fascist methods dictating everything they do

    Germany WWII and Italy WWII were both socialist governments just like Russia and using religion and the military combined so was Japan.

    And so was the USA but handled differently. There was hardly anything not fascist about Roosevelt. the crap in 2008 is in the same mold.

    Another fallacy is referring to the socialist governments of Scandahoovia, Australia, New Zealand and Switzerland. They are not socialist they use a system now called State Capitalism. State capitalism is a soft ball Larry King version of Fascist Economics.

    How did the current false belief in left and right come about? In the US people like Woodrow Wilson picked up the sign post labeled center and moved it from it's place by the Constitution and placed it in the center of the left. Which means all you Democrat and Republican supporters are...left wing fascist socialists and didn't even know it.
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    • Posted by 9 years, 2 months ago
      The left right thing is an attempt by the liberal press to isolate the USSR and socialism from Hitler and the Nazis and setup a false dichotomy. It also worked as a way to smear capitalism.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 2 months ago
        Prior to that it was vertical. King, Nobles, Church Officials, on down to peasants. In this modern age it's people looking down as they pass overhead and saying 'flyover country.' The opposite is people looking up and saying 'what an amazing bunch of rectal orifices. I only say that half in jest. Maybe less than half
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  • Posted by Mamaemma 9 years, 2 months ago
    Riveting video. I will never understand how millions of people can be exterminated. Are some men just evil? It is beyond my comprehension.
    It is also ironic to see the extent of anti-semitism in the USSR, since Lenin, Marx, Trotsky, Engels, Brezhnev and Khrushchev were all Jews.
    It is easy to see why Rand loved America.
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    • Posted by strugatsky 9 years, 2 months ago
      Lenin had a small Jewish part, Marx, Trotsky and Engels were Jews, but why are you saying that Brezhnev and Khrushchev were Jews? As far as I know, they were Ukrainians.
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      • Posted by Mamaemma 9 years, 2 months ago
        Actually, I googled it, but couldn't they be Ukranian and Jewish?
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        • Posted by strugatsky 9 years, 2 months ago
          Yes, but those two were not. They were pure Jew-hating Ukrainians. As to the reasons for anti-Semitism in the USSR, there are several:
          Russians and Ukrainians had a deep rooted anti-Semitism for centuries.
          The fact that many of the early leaders of the revolution and the civil war were Jews gave them prominence. They were then thrown to the “wolves” and blamed for the ills of communism.
          Jews were easy to isolate as a class and class warfare is part of the socialist strategy (the same as the Nazi’s). A socialist state will always require an enemy class – in the US - the 1%’s, the “Confederate Hillbillies” and “politically incorrect bigots;” in today’s Russia, it’s Americans, their “foreign agents” and, again, Jews; in Europe it’s Jews and Israel once again… And for the Muslims, it’s always Jews and Israel, even though most of them have no idea where Israel is. So, I should modify my statement above – an enemy is needed by all totalitarian regimes; it’s part of their DNA.
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          • Posted by Mamaemma 9 years, 2 months ago
            Many individuals need someone to hate and rail against as well. I have known a few.
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            • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 2 months ago
              The book Rosska I believe is the name is a good read for developing an understanding of the Eastern European mindset. Michener's Poland also touched on the subject. There always has to be a 'them' especially when a failed leadership needs a scapegoat. One day the public realizes the scapegoat is false and the failure is with the leadership itself. What happens? They hire a new set of leaders and look for another scapegoat. Any of them will do. I'm reminded that Trotsky, Marx, Engels, Beria, and Lenin himself were Jewish to begin with. Of all the main leaders of fully fascist police State only Stalin and Kruschev were not. Ukraine (Russian for The Edge meaning edge of the empire) lived in Serfdom under a variety of rulers Germans, Poles, and finally Russians I think the Swedes were in their for a while as well. Being good Eastern Orthodox they seized on the one group left other than Muslims. The Good Christians decided they couldn't deal in loaning money and gave that job to the Jews. Then when they owed too much started a pogram. I think that just happened here in the USA 2008 with the current crop of money lenders.

              We're really no different. Welcome to serfdom.
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  • Posted by gaiagal 9 years, 2 months ago
    Thank you for posting this.

    I hold the order takers far more responsible than the order givers. Imagine if there were no order takers? The people who took the the grain, the dead and chose to murder because they were so ordered by the government, are the truly guilty ones.

    Once upon a time I "understood" that people had to make a living so I never held customer reps, supervisors, management, etc responsible for their employers actions.

    Now I do.

    Companies can't exist without a workforce. Imagine how successful an HMO would be with MDs, RNs on down to customer reps working for them?

    How can evil exist without those people who insist they had no choice? They had choices. Even if someone is holding a gun to your head, you are making a choice.

    People, by virtue of continuing to work for companies that make profits via deliberate, harmful actions, are aligning themselves with the company and its philosophy. They become part of the problem. They are the ones who hide behind "I'm sorry that happened. I understand your frustration but it is company policy." As if that makes everything OK.

    If you think it is OK for people to make a living supporting harmful companies...why is it not okay when a person chooses to follow orders when to refuse means facing certain death? Being put to death is a bit more troublesome to the individual than figuring out an alternative means to making a living, so why should that person be condemned?

    What is the difference between "I have to follow company policy" and "I was following orders"? One is but a stepping stone to the other.

    We are taught to obey authority. We are taught that we must do what we don't like in order to survive. I'm amazed, and frightened, by the degree to which people accept what they are told without question.

    We are conditioned to "take orders" with no thought toward discernment.
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    • Posted by gaiagal 9 years, 2 months ago
      Correction: fifth para should read: Companies can't exist without a workforce. Imagine how successful an HMO would be with MDs, RNs on down to customer reps NOT working for them?

      Forgot to put back the not when editing :)
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  • Posted by kevinw 9 years, 2 months ago
    Great video. I wonder if it actually broadcast anywhere. It ought to be on the history channel 2 or 3 times a year. Mostly stuff I already knew, some just in passing, but putting it all together and in chronological order really makes the horror of it all sink in. I really hadn't realized that the link between the USSR and Germany was that extensive.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 2 months ago
    I always liked Glenn Beck's portrayal of the government spectrum, which went from Anarchy at one end to Totalitarian at the other, from total individual freedom to no individual freedom. Any form of totalitarianism is lumped at the one end, meaning Fascism, Socialism, Communism all only slightly different flavors of the same dish. Sadly, the attraction of the "Great Leader" who needs all power to solve all problems is like a narcotic to a dissatisfied mass.
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    • Posted by 9 years, 2 months ago
      I do not think anarchy is on the other end of the spectrum, it is the stage just before totalitarianism is most cases historically.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 2 months ago
        Anarchy is the total absence of any form of government therefore I've always placed it as the extremists of which ever direction is citizens over government. Anarchists certainly cause an extreme reaction in the form of a more totalitarian response so the use of them as useful tools makes eminent sense. That fits in with the Cycle of Repression sequence perfectly. Burning down one's neighborhood as a form of mindless protest would fit that picture or the WTO rioters.
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    • Posted by kevinw 9 years, 2 months ago
      Placing anarchy at the opposite end from fascism, socialism, & communism makes Capitalism with a rights respecting government just a compromise between them. Capitalism becomes either a compromise between two evils or a step below the implied greater good of anarchy. Anarchy belongs on the other end along with fascism, socialism & communism. especially because of that "attraction of the 'Great Leader' " you mentioned.
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      • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 2 months ago
        Neither ideological tenet (Anarchy or Totalitarianism) is judged good or evil on this spectrum. In practice, anarchy is chaos, because not all affected will agree with the premise that no government is needed. However, this placement at the opposite end from totalitarianism is based on the principle behind the proponents. Anarchists believe (as do most Utopian thinkers) that given absolute freedom, people will naturally do what is in their best interests. The fact that this is a highly unlikely outcome isn't part of their thinking. Totalitarians believe that individual freedom is dangerous, placing them in absolute opposition to anarchist thought.
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        • Posted by kevinw 9 years, 2 months ago
          Is it possible to view a chart of systems of government and not see it as ranking them in an ascending or descending order of good or evil? Proper or improper? Free or not free? I would have to agree that anarchists don't even consider the negative effects of irrational people as having any overall effect on their utopia but it is unwise to accept their beliefs as principles of any system when they ignore reality when envisioning that system. If you think about it, anarchy cannot even exist when 2 or more people (ok, maybe 3 or more) come together as a society. Someone will lead. By vote or by force, but someone will lead. Like DB said, anarchy is just what happens before totalitarianism takes over.

          Glenn Beck has gotten better but it wouldn't surprise me to see him put together a portrayal of the government spectrum that attempts to not judge the participants. Unless, of course, they're islamists. Or violent. Or drug users. Or gay. Or atheists. And on, and on, and on.......

          I suppose it does kind of make sense, though. Refusing to judge the systems of government (or lack of) by rational criteria would allow a person to order the systems in almost any arrangement and to choose whichever one met their fancy at the time. There's a philosophical link for you.
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          • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 2 months ago
            Have you read Mark Levin's "Ameritopia?" It gives a good comparative assessment of the history of Utopian concepts, with his own evaluation of the pluses and minuses.
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            • Posted by kevinw 9 years, 2 months ago
              I tried to read Mark Levin's "Liberty and Tyrrany" once but when the basic premise is that we're going downhill because we're moving away from god I just couldn't stay with it. He knows a lot of American history but most of the time it's just too difficult to pick the facts out of the religious twist he puts on it to be worth the effort. He loses any credibility.
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              • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 2 months ago
                I guess the fact that I spent my youth in a quest for a rational approach to religion (the reason I got kicked out of the Baptist church at 12) gives me a higher tolerance for fervent religious believers. Everyone needs some moral foundation, and if organized religion is their choice, so be it. I had no problem studying Mein Kampf to determine what drove such a sick mind, or Das Kapital. I do find Levin's march through the eminent Utopian visions to be a succinct introduction for those who don't want to wade through weighty tomes of philosophical works.
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                • Posted by kevinw 9 years, 2 months ago
                  I was raised in a religious household also but instead of searching for answers I just lived with the self doubt and guilt. I have little tolerance for for believers now and almost none for anything approaching fervent, but when someone starts talking "back to god" they lose me. I think my wife actually ordered "Ameritopia" recently. I may attempt it when she is done.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 2 months ago
        Good call. Along with the previous comment. I'll add a paraphrased quote from Rand. There are always three choices. Right, Wrong and a Compromise. That makes one right choice and two wrong choices. The use of capitalism by a Great Leader of the totalitarian nature would be one of the forms of Fascist Economics now called State Economics wherein it's just socialist economics with a thin very thin covering of heavily controlled capitalism and therefore not unfettered or even lightly monitored. Yard sales come to mind and not much else.
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    • Posted by wiggys 9 years, 2 months ago
      The dissatisfied mass you refer too I refer too as the uneducated mass that makes up the bulk of the usa. therefore, they will always look to someone to lead (?) who will as 0 is doing swimming in an aurora of his own importance. can anyone tell me what he has done of a positive action for the usa?
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      • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 2 months ago
        For some insight into how a country falls into the path to autocracy, you might find Eric Hoffer's book interesting. "The True Believer, a Study in Mass Movements" is a small book, but easy to follow. I read it first in college (50 years ago), and when Obama first showed up, Hoffer's observation that mass movements begin with the phrase "Hope and Change" flashed into my mind. I still don't trust Obama not to be tempted to try to hang onto power by whatever means he can.
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      • Posted by kevinw 9 years, 2 months ago
        I had hoped he would be the proverbial straw that broke the camels back that woke people up but that doesn't seem to be the case. It would have been a positive.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 2 months ago
        Start thinking about educating some of the younger people who will be the ones to pick up the pieces and start over. Even going so far as to start sequestering references for use as samizdat material; I don't see anything that can be done immediately besides what we are doing right here. In effect it's a counter-revolution. they take time to build if for no other reason that our very open style of discussion makes us a target under the Patriot Act - suspicion of - policy.
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    • Posted by strugatsky 9 years, 2 months ago
      People, in general, don't like to work, or at least prefer to minimize the effort. But even more than they dislike work, people do not like to think. The mental effort is often the most oppressive to many. Totalitarianism absolves the masses from this difficult task - everything is already thought out for them. For many, to be free from thinking is the ultimate freedom.
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  • Posted by Technocracy 9 years, 2 months ago
    The communist sympathizers here in the US made sure that the USSR got the critical info they needed. Otherwise they would have taken years longer developing nuclear weapons and ICBMs.

    Of course we made sure to grab all the Nazi scientists we could as well. Werner Von Braun for instance.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 9 years, 2 months ago
    Both France and GB had a very strong core of socialists and communist sympathizers, both in and out of the government. They also had Nazi sympathizers, but those were being quickly discredited by 1939. Besides, both France and GB were convinced that victory over Germany will be a walk in the park; of, course, they did not have such illusions regarding the USSR, with its size and an apparent economic self-sufficiency.
    As to the aid provided by the US and UK to the USSR, it could be summarized as: Most of wheeled transport used by the Soviets during the war (trucks, jeeps, Katyusha platforms), much of the high-protein army rations, most of the high octane aviation fuel (the USSR had plenty of oil, but lacked high octane refineries). There were important shipments (from the US/UK perspective) of tanks and aircraft, but those were insignificant overall on the Eastern front – AirCobras did OK, the tanks were poor compared to Russian models. The transfer of technology was very significant – both legal and clandestine. A number of Russian aircraft were either licensed copies of US models (Li-2/DC-3) or stolen copies (TU-4/B-29) and, of course, the atomic bomb design was steadily fed to Moscow throughout the war by both legal Lend-Lease transfers and by spies. No doubt that radio technology was also acquired from the West, as Russian electronics industry was primitive prior to 1941. With the fall of Italy, the Soviets took possession of some of the Italian fleet, with its technology.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 9 years, 2 months ago
    Great history lesson, obscured by the west's focus on Hitler's Nazis.

    Something I find bizarre is how the Obama/Hillary/Warren escape the correlation to the Nazi's and this view of the Soviet Union. Somehow they stride as liberators, and the power they take away from the people is supported by the handouts they offer.
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    • Posted by strugatsky 9 years, 2 months ago
      The fact that this correlation escapes the average American and European bah-bah-bah voter is rather bizarre. I recently talked to an elderly Bernie Sanders supporter and presented her with the fact that both Sanders, the Nazis and the Soviets were socialists. Her reply - but Sanders is "a Democratic Socialist"! The bottom line is that some people want to escape any personal responsibility, any effort to think for themselves, so much that they are more than willing to head in the direction of the gas chamber, so long as the path looks beautiful.
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  • Posted by Esceptico 9 years, 2 months ago
    Politicians make war, not “the people.” Whatever a particular politician believes will keep it (I say “it” so as not to be sexist or prefer once species of animal over another, thus keeping me politically correct) in power. Seen from this perspective, i.e., “what keeps me in power,” most wars become quite clear. Ron Paul dramatically makes this point in his latest book.
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  • Posted by MagicDog 9 years, 2 months ago
    The National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nazi) is just the German version of Socialism while the The Communist Party of the Soviet Union (Communist) is the Russian version of Socialism. Europe essentially evolved from Serfdom to Socialism without any stage of Liberty except for 19th century England. To a European, the Nazi's were far right wing because they allowed some forms of private enterprise and the Communist did not. Libertarian-ism does not fit into the political picture for Europeans.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 2 months ago
      Wow looks like some of us finally got the correction of misdefined words on the right track.

      The next step is moving center from center of the left and putting it back where it belongs as the 'sacred ground' of the Constitution.

      That leaves both Republicans and Democrats squarely left of center in the Government Party Coalition as Cruz just proved. Another also ran leftist bites the dust.

      I'll leave you with another comment. The difference between one kind of socialism and another variety is ....zero. they are not the only choice.
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