Democrats have votes to sustain veto of Iran deal disapproval

Posted by robgambrill 9 years, 2 months ago to Legislation
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This article comprises a list of those who should be held accountable for this fiasco.

Republicans are not blameless either, the thing should have gone through the normal treaty process, which would have required Senate approval. The Republicans signed this away last spring, .
SOURCE URL: http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/247956-the-hills-whip-list-senators-take-sides-on-iran-deal


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  • Posted by ohiocrossroads 9 years, 2 months ago
    Yep, this led to some lost sleep for me last night. Dimocrats will be Dimocrats, and most people know what they want is bad for America. What really got my blood pressure up is the foolish deal the Republicans signed, allowing a minority to rubber-stamp basically what is an Emperor's decree. If the Republicans can't oppose this, what are they there for? They should have stiffened their spines and forced a Constitutional showdown, requiring a 2/3 majority of the Senate to approve it. This is a deal with a foreign government, so it is a treaty and needs to be approved as such. Common sense reading of the Constitution would lead reasonable people to conclude that.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 2 months ago
      Somebody has to be the right wing of the left and act as the lapdogs to the DNC. Might as well be the Republicans. What else are they good for?

      To repeat what Id put in elsewhere. "He who does not punish evil commands it to be done." Another way of saying the argument for promoting the lesser of two or more evils. A contradiction with two or more false premises that leads to 'hey you got what you asked for.

      But to keep doing so brings us back to Mama Gump's comment. 'Stupid is as stupid does.'
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    • Posted by $ Suzanne43 9 years, 2 months ago
      Oh, my gosh, you have that right. The Republicans told us that if they had a majority in the house and in the senate, they could do lots of wondrous things. Well, I'm still waiting. What a bunch of spineless do nothings. But then what can you expect from the ruling class.
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  • Posted by bsmith51 9 years, 2 months ago
    What the world refuses to accept is that Islam recognizes two levels of humanity: those who follow and submit to the prophet according to the Koran and Hadith, and those who do not. Borders and boundaries matter not. Those documents command the faithful to subjugate or exterminate those who do not.
    Islam is a cult of war, not a religion of peace.
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    • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 2 months ago
      Indeed, Islam defines "peace" as the state of things after they conquer the world. The Soviets copied that notion from them.

      Reagan was right to assume the Soviets really meant it. So will we be, when we fight them under the next president.
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  • Posted by starznbarz 9 years, 2 months ago
    There is plenty of treasonous acts to spread around, the whole of congress, with a very few exceptions, have gotten to the point of not bothering to hide their agenda. The communist lusts for the populace to fire the first shot and justify his reaction, that we have not done so after all his prodding probably results in his stomping around Valerie, the loyal Iranians office in a display that you would see from one of the N. Korean leaders - or any 4 year old. Fact is, he has no opposition and he knows it -well see what his future holds, most dictators don`t fare well once out of power. As for the coming, very real threat, both internal and external...Degüello.
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 9 years, 2 months ago
    We're *cked.
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    • Posted by 9 years, 2 months ago
      Actually, I think the Israeli's are unlikely to just sit on their hands and let the Iranians get the bomb.

      Basically, This is a situation where I believe force is justified.

      If somebody says "I am going to kill you all" and then starts building the means to do it, the threatened party would be crazy not to put a stop to it if they could.

      And I don't think the Israeli's are willing to wait around and find out if the Iranians are serious. I sure wouldn't.
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      • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 9 years, 2 months ago
        True, but my understanding is the the Great Fraud has obligated us to protect them. Joy.

        Its not proper to speak this here, but sounds lot like biblical Armageddon.
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        • Posted by SaltyDog 9 years, 2 months ago
          As an aside, Shi'ite Islam (as practiced in Iran) has a tradition that there is a special place in Paradise with The Prophet for the individual(s) who facilitate the war which enables the 12th Imam to come to the forefront. Seemingly, this facilitator need not be from Persia. Now it doesn't matter whether or not we put any stock in this foolishness...what matters is the Shi'ites around the world believe it.

          Guess who I'm thinking of.
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        • Posted by SaltyDog 9 years, 2 months ago
          Not proper? Maybe. But such matters go beyond good manners. As to our obligations via this "agreement", that's only one of the little side deals that we know of.

          I really can't get my head around this...we don't know what's in the deal, it's not a treaty so it sidesteps the requirement for 2/3 Senate 'advise and consent', and we have a president who wants us to believe that we're not intelligent enough to understand the nuances but we can take his word for it that it'll be good for us. And to top it off, the commanding majority in Congress seemingly can't do anything about it.
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  • Posted by SaltyDog 9 years, 2 months ago
    OK...so by calling it an agreement and not a treaty, Obama neatly stepped around Advise and Consent. The Senate votes to not implement, Obama vetoes it and the Senate doesn't have to votes to override. Idiotic on the face of it, but there it is nonetheless. What happens if the House forgets to vote funding? More executive action BS?
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  • Posted by RonC 9 years, 2 months ago
    my take on the world's finances is when we get in the shape we are, the world generally goes to war. They beat each other back to poverty, then forgive the debt and start over. We could use that, but when it could be nuclear, that's different. Einstein is attributed of saying he didn't know how they would fight WWIII, but WWIV would be fought with sticks and stones.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 2 months ago
    They have 34 votes. But according to the Constitution it takes 67 votes to ratify a treaty, not to block one. Some Senator(s) should sue to make the President follow the rules.
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