This is how a Republican does something for free
This is our governor's plan to provide free secondary education provided to students graduating high school in Tennessee without costing the taxpayers anything!
Now, I know there are a couple of people on this site that like to legislate morality, so not everyone will like it, but I think it is great!
Now, I know there are a couple of people on this site that like to legislate morality, so not everyone will like it, but I think it is great!
I agree with the statement about public schools. I use my youngest daughter as an example. She is a 1st grade homeschooler. She just completed a battery of placement testing in order for us to make sure she was headed the right direction. She tested at grade level 3.2 in reading comprehension and 2.6 in mathematics, the only tested subjects for 1st graders. In this state $600 - $800 a year average is spent to educate homeschoolers (We will come in right at $550) while $8,000 - $10,000 a year is spent on each student by the public school system. There is some obvious inefficiency in the public school system not to mention how many of them confuse their own political views with their job as educators.
Also, as pointed out here by FreedomForAll, governments just waste what moneys (and resources) they do have. That is a deeper issue. Governments do not make ECONOMIC decisions; they make POLITICAL decisions, which of necessity are malinvestments.
(On the side issue of law and law enforcement, we make the one exception for the one task for which the government does have a moral mandate.)
The explosion in government funding of education has not raised the salaries of professors or created more jobs for them; we do not have more and better college libraries, certainly. It is the ADMINISTRATIONS that have benefited... no surprise there...
We also do not have to worry about things like bridges falling down, at least not state owned bridges, as the state has a most unusual thing these days, a balanced budget. Of course Obama was in Tennessee last week, so that might have unbalanced it. LOL
As far as your legislating morality comment.... every law and regulation is an expression of morality
No worry. For every student who learns that the only way to win the Lottery is not to play, there will still be a thousand others willing to pay $1000 to win $600. In my state it takes a lot of extra time to pay for gas when someone in front of me is busy deciding which lottery ticket to buy. There must be two dozen different choices.
As we say here in NC, "Thank you SO MUCH for your comment."
Remember kids can still pay and go to these schools just like always. If a child wants schooling and they cannot pay for it why not allow them to work. It's better than making it totally free.
I think there is a deeper question that needs to be addressed to ALL in higher education:
Why has society deemed it necessary to get a four-year degree in order to be successful in today's world?
It seems to me to be more a barrier to entry to the middle class than a legitimately valuable tool. There are a huge number of jobs out there - especially in trades, auto repair, and construction - where an apprenticeship is vastly superior practical education in comparison to a four-year institution. I question the need for every high school graduate to obtain a four-year degree. How much true value is being derived from the system for the student?
Now one can quickly point out (and not without justification) that our primary educations have dropped in efficacy to the point that many high school graduates are barely passing. What is the point of sending students like that to college at all?
I had a friend who was from Germany and we discussed the disparity in the education systems. There, "high school" was over by age 16 and students would either move to a trade school for specific training or move on to university for extensive education in engineering, law, etc. At the time, I dismissed the system out of my own ignorance, but looking at it now, I wonder if there isn't some merit there. The only students even considered for "university" are the top students: B+ average or better. That being said, noone pays for their own education either, however.
I guess I look back at the late 1800's/early 1900's and the education systems in place then: they were run locally, age did not necessarily determine grade level, and results were everything. Teachers were paid by students' parents in most cases and held accountable to them. University was a major accomplishment and reserved only for those with needs for higher education pursuits. Training in trades was the prevalent form of job-related education.
I compare that to the modern era where K-6 is barely more than organized daycare and indoctrination and 7-12 isn't much better. Higher education is grossly expensive due to both subsidies and too much demand and has diverged from being learning-centered to being entertainment/sport-centered.
Does my MBA look impressive on my resume? Yup. Have I actually used it much in my position in IT? Eh. Most of the stuff covered in class specifically related to IT was either stuff I already knew (and the teachers knew it) or stuff that was outdated. To me, an IT trade school makes a lot of sense.
My brother also recently graduated with a degree in psychology - but works as a warehouse tech. Without a doctorate, about the closest employment in his field is that of a social worker - a thankless job that makes less than he makes now but without the fun of driving a forklift (his words)!
So I have to question the efficacy and value of the whole higher education system. To me, there is a glut of educated fools with degrees that mean nothing. I can't really celebrate "job requirement inflation"! (yes, please help me come up with a better term)
Answer: Society has made no such requirement.
Human resources departments have fallen all over themselves to hire "qualified" people and certainly if someone has a degree the HR folks don't have to justify when that part of things when they recommend a hire.
It relieves department heads, floor supervisors, foremen, etc. from all responsibility of actually assessing a candidate for actual qualifications and attitudes.
Used to be college included leadership. Not anymore.
Only the very few exclusive colleges offer the kind of networking that can keep folks in the 1%. Everyone else gets caught in the 99%.
Government interference in the payment of higher education has been the principle cause for the astronomical increase in costs. If the governor truly wanted to benefit his state, he'd eliminate all government funding of post secondary education, and provide a tax credit for all persons aged 18-24 to be used in whatever way they choose.
Lemme ask you a question:
Do you think legislating against murder and rape are "legislating morality"?
No? Then stop being a hypocrite.
"evil"? Why, khalling... that's a religious term.
You may not like such legislation, but, objectively, it can be neither pious nor evil.
I "choose" to gamble. My gambling addiction leads me to gamble away my paycheck, repeatedly, so my wife and children end up starving and/or on the street. Yeah, that never happens; gambling never hurt nobody.
One can take immoral to mean 1) not ascribing to a generally accepted moral code (religious or otherwise),2) expressly violating such a moral code, or 3) merely differing from a prospective moral code. Immoral is just contrary to being moral. What should be the question is how one chooses his/her basis for their particular morality.
If one lives in a totalitarian regime, are not the acts of the totalitarian moral? Those who disagree do so because they have a different viewpoint of what constitutes morality, do they not?
I wouldn't worry about inferring meaning in such a nebulous term as "moral" or "immoral" until one has sufficiently described or defined the rules under discussion.
I figured there would be a couple of people on here that would curse the lottery as a form of gambling and blame all the rot in society on it. The might then scream that it should be banned, and anyone who ever bought a ticket be drawn and quartered, racked, burned at the stake, gassed, drugged, and finally shot.
say it ain 't so that you buy those heinous scratch offs. If there 's two things I hate it is 1. paying for fuel inside and 2. Being behind a customer buying those damn things and making me wait!
If the lottery is paying a sustainable bill under a negotiated contract costs should be well within what is anticipated. We don’t have those details yet, and in my opinion it is premature to rule it will fail without all the facts.
Well, guess what? I'm not opposed to gambling, but to pretend that it doesn't ever harm anyone besides the one who gambles is naive in the extreme. Like alcohol, illicit drugs or any other addiction. Your hypocrisy lies in the "morality" label.
I am also not the judge of what is and is not moral. My statement was more of a disclaimer that you and another member might object and say everyone in the state was now on a freight train bound for hell because of it. I attempting to forestall this turning into a religious debate like so many other topics have lately.
Morality doesn't have to devolve into a religious discussion, but since religion primarily deals with morality, it tends to drift that way quickly.
Has nothing to do with "morality." It has to do with a SOCIAL CONTRACT made among a bunch of folks who say, "I won't rape or kill your kin if you don't hurt mine. BTW, don't steal either." Good rules to live by. Not "morality" just common sense.
Year before last our local school received the grand allocation of $700. Where do you suppose the rest went?
Both parties have been taken over by the socialists..
OR the colleges won't be big enough to accommodate all the new found students, and tax dollars will have to be spent to build more colleges.
Neither the lottery, nor tax dollars should pay for someone wanting to kill time in the pursuit of flower arranging, or basket weaving, or interpretive dance. Select a major in a field that's in demand, successfully graduate, and then this is a fruitful use of funds.
I am not saying this will or won’t work. I am just saying it is interesting and worth finding out more about.
The better plan with this money, and would be easier to adopt, use that Lottery money, as it's available, to pay TN residents Student loans, of those who have already graduated. THAT'S incentive to graduate. Hit the mark, the loans are paid off, or reduced.
How many students do you have that graduate from high school who cannot go to college today?
What is your high school dropout rate?
What about students who transfer into Tenn from other states?
If a majority of your students manage to go to college without your assistance, I'd say you just don't need to go there. Also if your high-school dropout rate is higher than the national average, I'd say you need to spend money getting kids to reach for THT golden ring. Treating students from your state in one way - by giving them a free education, yet treating transfer students as second class by charging them much more will cost you state more than just money, brain power will stay away.
They could do that by building more "public" buildings they don't need or by giving themselves raises they have not deserved. Their proposed solution is to give kids a education. Could the money be spent elsewhere? Yep. That's why he is proposing this, s their citizens can talk about it.
BTW, the roads in TN are some of the best in the country. The school system ranks pretty high. Their public health program is efficient and effective, I have a niece who is a special needs child and the help the state has offered her and the family is remarkable in scope and vale to the "client".
If these things weren't in order I'd suggest they have other priorities, but they seem to be making things work, which is a far cry from my own state of IL which is a total mess.
Good for Tenn. and good for you guys for being smarter than the rest of us serfs.