We are a multiple language country. In response to the Coke Commercial

Posted by rustylypps 10 years, 10 months ago to History
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Overheard at a grocery store by someone waiting in line behind a woman speaking on her ceel phone in another language. Ahead of her was a white man. After the woman hangs up, he speaks up.
Man: " I didn't want to say anything while you were on the phone, but you're in America now. You need to speak English."
Woman: Excuse me?"
Man *very slowely* "If you want to speak Mexican, go back to Mexico. In America, we speak English."
Woman: "Sir, I was speaking Navajo. If you want to speak English. go back to England."

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  • Posted by mminnick 10 years, 10 months ago
    Great story. As my father used to say. If the Amerindian (American Indian) ever ask for our passport and visa we are in big trouble.
    Also, the south western United States was settle not by Anglo-Europeans but by Hispanic Europeans. If I recall correctly they spoke Spanish.
    That said, there should be one official language in the US. The translation of documents into multiple languages should not be required by law.
    Since the majority of Citizens of the United States speak English this is the presumptive official language of legal documents, ballots etc.
    There are very few other countries that have multiple languages on ballots, legal documents etc. as a matter of law.
    In that respect we need to be a nation with one OFFICIAL language. If the citizen and residents want to speak another fine
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  • Posted by $ stargeezer 10 years, 10 months ago
    Navajo? Oh yes, we won THAT war too didn't we? Why don't we speak German or Japanese or Hebrew?? We do in some areas, but all three groups know that in order to be successful in this nation, you must effectively speak/read/write/type ENGLISH. Why is it that Mexicans think they can come here and live life like this is Mexico?
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  • Posted by SolitudeIsBliss 10 years, 10 months ago
    My 1st language was german. When my family moved to a Spanish speaking country, I had to learn Spanish in order to attend school and communicate with others. My parents also thought it very important to learn English, especially if we had any intention of coming to the U.S. Wherever you go, you learn the language of the land, plain and simple !
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  • Posted by iroseland 10 years, 10 months ago
    On my grandparents farm English was the first language. But out in the barn or if tempers were running high that quickly changed to Norwegian with a healthy dose of Sami thrown in to confuse the neighbors. You might think that this is a story involving northern Wisconsin farming back in the 19th century. It wasn't, it was the 1970's. My ex-wife had a grandfather who was pretty famous as far as the family went. Back before the war he was a street car operator. He spoke English, German Croatian and Yugoslavian and knew everyone who was a regular rider. Back then in Milwaukee the primary trade language was German. That didn't not change till 1916 and it came with book burning and arrests. We are and always have been a a nation of immigrants. So, we should be usuprised to discover folks around us speaking languages other than English. In the past we never had much trouble with first generation immigrants either not speaking English or sucking at it when they did. We knew and expected them to get better at it. It seems now that we don't trust immigrants to be smart or driven enough to learn the dominant trade language of the country they are now living in. So, we feel the need to go out of our way to translate for them which only makes the problem worse not better, as it keeps them isolated and unable to easily communicate with neighbors, or potential employers, or customers.
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    • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 10 months ago
      Tired of hearing this "we are a nation of immigrants"

      No, we aren't. The colonists, who did immigrate here *before we were a nation*, formed the nation. The nation was formed intact by native colonists, primarily of Anglo-Saxon derivation (being British colonies). Immigrants came to this country, finding it already intact, and fitting themselves into its framework.

      This "nation of immigrants" stuff annoys me because it undermines the already largely forgotten fact that we are a republic.
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    • Posted by rlewellen 10 years, 10 months ago
      I think it's rude when I am the only non-Hispanic at work and 3 Hispanics speak Spanish around me even if they are quite capable of speaking English.Someone will learn when there are accidents and they only yell in Spanish. Also why should I learn their language to get a job in my country?This isn't about equality it's about preferential treatment.
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      • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 10 months ago
        I once had an expat assignment in Mexico. Curiously enough, all the engineers that I worked with wanted to speak English with me to improve their own language skills. They knew that becoming more conversant in the English language was a key to their ability to move up.
        What our gov't has done is remove this commonsense by accommodating multi-language use with multiple language forms, telephone operators and phone trees, etc.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 10 months ago
    My response (although I'd never mistake Navajo for Spanish).
    "Ma'am, if you want to speak Navajo, go back to the lands we left you, squat in the filth of your tent, and speak Navajo to your heart's content. But don't take advantage of the benefits the Anglo-Saxon cultural philosophy brought to this desolate land (such as this grocery store) without embracing that culture."
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    Posted by $ Maphesdus 10 years, 10 months ago
    Here's a repost of my post from the other topic:
    http://www.galtsgulchonline.com/posts/44...
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    Language can naturally be a barrier to communication, of course, but I don't see how promoting acceptance of multicultural attitudes divides anyone. If anything, it erases those divisions by helping us see the beauty of other people and cultures.

    Glen Beck said that this ad was dividing people, and that if you disagreed with the message of the ad, then you were a racist. Glen Beck's statement was said sarcastically, but the irony is that what he said was actually true. If anything is truly divisive in this debate, it's the subtle xenophobia which is being pushed under the guise of nationalist pride and defense of culture. But America's culture has always been a melting-pot, and stubbornly refusing to acknowledge that fact, or twisting it to support ethnic homogenization and erasure of cultural identity and heritage is irrational.

    Thanks to rapid advancements in technology and transportation, the world economy is becoming more and more globalized, with international communication quickly becoming an indispensable aspect of business and trade. Long gone are the days of national autarky and isolationist mentalities. Those who cling to such outdated modes of thinking will be left in the dust. In order to succeed economically in the 21st century and beyond, it will be necessary to be fluent in at least two or three languages.

    [khalling said] that the United States cannot survive as a multi-language nation, but the fact is that it's already a multi-language nation, and succeeding as an individual means one must be willing to accept and work with the uniqueness of other individuals. That isn't possible without a significant degree of humility and flexibility, as well as a profound appreciation for all the diverse beauty that the world has to offer.

    If anyone truly believes that national autarky is still possible or beneficial in the modern age, here's a book which might wake you up:

    The World Is Flat: A Brief History of the Twenty-first Century
    by Thomas L. Friedman

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53vLQnuV9...
    http://www.amazon.com/The-World-Flat-3-0...
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    • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 10 months ago
      "but I don't see how promoting acceptance of multicultural attitudes divides anyone."

      Cool, so when Obama dies of natural causes, we can hang his wife and their entire staff of servants to serve him in the afterlife, the cultural attitude of the ancient Chinese.

      As khalling has said, cultures are not equal. The culture that created America, derived from Anglo-Saxon culture, based upon Roman Republican values, IS superior to the pseudo-socialist oligarchy cultures found in the third world and elsewhere.

      We had the right answer 200+ years ago. We don't need people with the wrong answer given equal voice with ours.
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      • Posted by $ Maphesdus 10 years, 10 months ago
        We don't need people with the wrong answer given equal voice with ours? Sorry, but you're arguing for an elimination of freedom. I'm pretty sure that the Declaration of Independence said something along the lines of everyone being created equal. A just and peaceful society cannot be realized unless everyone is free to express what's on their mind without fear of government retaliation for saying the wrong thing.

        As Ludwig Von Mises said, peaceful coexistence requires the equal participation of all in the democratic process.

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        • Posted by khalling 10 years, 10 months ago
          I disagree with Von Mises here. Peaceful coexistence requires respect of natural rights. Voting is a procedural right. IT's only purpose is to protect natural rights, and it is not the only way. Many people have lived peaceful, happy lives in societies in which most people did not participate in the democratic process.
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        • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 10 months ago
          Yes, we're all *created* equal, by our Creator. But it wasn't the Creator who made the United States; it was His creation, the Founding Fathers.

          Men are equal. Ideas are not. Men are equal, cultures are not.

          "As Ludwig Von Mises said, peaceful coexistence requires the equal participation of all in the democratic process. "

          Fine, then let's make sure all have equal participation in the democratic process. There are about a billion Chinese we can let vote in the next election.

          At least when *I* feel suicidal I'm not out to take the whole country with me...
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