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  • Posted by Zenphamy 10 years, 9 months ago
    I'm old enough to remember my first Social Security Card with red letters printed across the face of it diagonally that said - 'Not For Identification"
    Now baby's are given SSN's at birth and that number must be given to get medical services or dependent deductions on income taxes, and for pre-school.

    Then the state took my picture for my Driver's License with only a copy of my birth certificate for ID.

    Then the military took my finger prints for identification purposes if I was killed and my body needed identification other than the dog tags.

    Then the University took my picture for their ID card.

    Now, I need two forms of picture ID and a thumb print to renew my Driver's License.

    Two forms of picture ID to get a PO Box.

    Two forms of picture ID to renew my Driver's License.

    Two forms of picture ID and a SSN to open a bank account.

    Facial recognition, DNA coding now takes 90 minutes, police are setting up check points to take mouth swabs, cameras are every where tied into super data bases,

    What's next? Certainly the right to be left alone and to have a private life of any sort is no more and I don't see anyway to get it back.

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    • Posted by khalling 10 years, 9 months ago
      all of this technology could have been used for good...
      thumb print on your DL?! in CO they added proof of address. you had to bring in a copy of your utility bill-which I thought was ridiculous. We all have these proofs of identification yet the black community screams that they can't vote if polling places ask to see them!
      I do not understand the two forms of picture ID. If you don't attend school and you don't have a passport, what else can you show?? Drivers license should be sufficient.
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      • Posted by Zenphamy 10 years, 9 months ago
        Only if the DL is current. If it's past renewal, it's not accepted. You can replace it with a passport or any other government issued photo ID, i.e. VA ID card, etc. if they are current.

        I don't think there's any way that the technology will be used for good. It very simply is being used for national ID and complete denial of privacy.

        CO was the first state I ever had to submit a thumb print in 95 (?), but I could use the old DL as Photo ID.

        The voting ID screaming by blacks is ridiculous. If I have to show ID to get a PO Box or a bank account, I would think ID to vote is acceptable, though I really hate the national ID system that's going into place.
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  • Posted by $ rockymountainpirate 10 years, 9 months ago
    I don't want a smart phone and I use cash whenever possible. I don't want someone scanning my face and telling me what to buy, what the deal of the day is or knowing what I bought in the past. Leave me alone!
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  • Posted by freedomforall 10 years, 9 months ago
    How many of you saw this coming years ago?
    I remember warning friends in the early 90's when Atlanta was preparing for the Olympics by putting cameras everywhere.
    It's up to mature adults to boycott all companies that use facial recognition tech. Young people don't even know what privacy is; they haven't experienced it. Consumers can resist by taking their business to local producers. Local merchants should respond by providing privacy to customers that chain stores won't.
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    • Posted by $ stargeezer 10 years, 9 months ago
      +1 everything you said. The kids are wondering what the big deal is, just like those who aren't concerned about the TSA activities. We are seeing our freedoms and rights compressed as we ARE reaching the sort of existence Ben Franklin warned us about. If we don't change this path we will get the country we deserve. How soon? Life in these cities is like what we saw in Russia at the end of the cold war where every citizen was seen as a enemy of the state and a potential spy (we are concerned about terrorists).

      There have been less than 20 terrorists caught. We have surrendered so many freedoms because of these twenty men that the character of America has changed. We were a strong, vibrant nation. Today we are a scared child hiding under the bed because of the boogeyman.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 9 months ago
    They won't ask for permission, and this type of monitoring will become a fact of life.

    The danger in this technology comes when its power falls into the hands of someone who would use force.

    It's fine if it somehow helps catch a thief. It's a disaster if people use it put forward their own agenda, i.e. a politician uses it to dig up personal habits to paint an unflattering image of opponents.
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  • Posted by mminnick 10 years, 9 months ago
    I did. the imp;lications were obvious when software begane reading the printed word, the uderstzning the spoken word then into scene matching. It was scene matching that worried me the most. If you can guide a projectile to a specific scene, you should be able to recognize anything including a face. My friends sais I was paranoid, but I think technology and time have proven me right.
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  • Posted by $ WillH 10 years, 9 months ago
    I would be very much in favor of this in some situations. For example, when I walk into my car dealership I would like them to know that I have purchased three cars from them in the past and am there for a purpose instead of being ambushed by some new salesman that does not know me. The same can be applied to other situations. If I am the owner of the store I would want to identify my buyers and cater to them with discounts, offers, coffee, and other value added things to keep their business and express my gratitude for the value they bring in the door with them. I would also want to know if someone that had shoplifted from me in the past shows up again.

    The problems with this technology will come from the usual source in my opinion, government involvement.
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    • Posted by freedomforall 10 years, 9 months ago
      I'm ok with paying more, as we always have in the past, to reimburse the merchant for petty pilfering, as long as anyone who collects my personal info under ANY circumstances INCLUDING "national security" is put out of business (and never replaced) as soon as the first instance of said 'spying' is discovered by ANY means. This especially applies to government.
      Paying more to the merchant is not desirable. If I enter the merchant's store I give up a very limited bit of my right to privacy, but in absence of an immediate crime against the merchant, he has no right to maintain a database or to scanalyze using facial recognition or any other tool. It should always be illegal to do so without explicit contractual permission in writing.
      We also already pay extra to government to protect the public (including merchants of all sizes) against thefts and other things. Perhaps it's time to stop paying government to do this function, since they have perverted the function and are violating the Bill of Rights in the process.
      We signed no contract, and made no agreement instructing the 'servant' government to violate the Bill of Rights.
      The Bill of Rights trumps all.
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    • Posted by khalling 10 years, 9 months ago
      I dont think the conveniences are worth the potential harm. Its happening already I have no doubt on the shoplifters and Ill bet all the major casinos are doing it.
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      • Posted by $ WillH 10 years, 9 months ago
        It’s hard to say. It is all in the application. This is one of those rare cases that I think regulations are necessary in order to preserve the freedom of the individual. For example I have far less issue with law enforcement using a camera system to apprehend violent fugitives IF it only analyzes the mathematical data points making up a face, compares it with a preloaded dataset discarding all mismatches without transmitting or storing any visual images than I do with blanket recordings.
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        • Posted by khalling 10 years, 9 months ago
          I am skeptical that we are yet on general population. there is a big difference between distinguishing a couple of people against a large number and each and every person. Even with DNA matching, there have been some horror cases. Think about it from teh client's point of view. Matching every face coming into the store-what is the fail rate? Even if only 1% you would risk sharing data that was personal with someone else. I'll tell you a deal breaker for women-you send me a text and tell me what sales are going on in the plus size department and I am not plus size. btw, I am not plus size. lol
          or send me a bunch of texts telling me about all the peach things for sale in the home dec dept. fail. it's a risk they'll care about.
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