Steve Jobs - Hollywood Seems to Hate this Guy!

Posted by $ HarmonKaslow 9 years, 4 months ago to Entertainment
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C'mon folks ... Steve is a HERO! An American hero ... visionary ... so why won't they make a movie that celebrates him?
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  • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 9 years, 4 months ago
    I don't know, that seems all pretty much in line with everything I've read. You can be a hero, a visionary and a jerk all at the same time.
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    • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 4 months ago
      Many people consider a boss who doesn't ask, but demands the most from his workers to be a jerk. However, it is those kinds of "jerks" who lead humanity out of the caves.
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      • Posted by davidmcnab 9 years, 4 months ago
        A boss who does that had better have some amazing drawcard incentives. Otherwise, they're exposing their market share to devastating predation from well-funded competitors with policies and reputation for treating employees better. This risk becomes even greater when the economy shifts from bear to bull.

        Smart high-tech workers who find themselves impossibly drained at the end of each day, with no energy left for their private lives, are going to look for (or create their own) opportunities elsewhere. This is a dimension of "enlightened self-interest" employers/entrepreneurs also need to consider, and one that can make all the difference to the survival of their businesses.
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        • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 4 months ago
          Whatever works.
          I have run several successful businesses and can tell you that there is no way that I have discovered to make an employee happy who doesn't want to be. My son, who was the founder of one of those businesses had a sign over his office that said, NO PROBLEMS - ONLY SOLUTIONS. It had an amazing effect.
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          • Posted by blackswan 9 years, 4 months ago
            Have you ever asked yourself why someone would become a Navy SEAL, or join Special Forces or become a Ranger, etc.? They are all tip of the spear operations, where the absolute best is demanded of the members, and where the most impossible missions are commonplace. If coddling were the prerequisite for greatness, these groups shouldn't exist, yet there are lines around the block to join them. Greatness isn't easy; it's the most demanding thing there is.
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            • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 4 months ago
              Because when you demonstrate the ability to be with the best by giving your best you find you suddenly have much more to give and much more to attain than you knew existed. There was an old saying about the difficult by final formation the impossible by first formation tomorrow. It came in several versions. It's still be copied by those trying to make it commonplace. The best part were some leaders who just expected us to attain some pretty damn stiff goals. We never stopped to wonder if we could or couldn't. It was a time of mutual self respect and "Good Try" was never part of the vocabulary.

              There was always something new and different and exciting each day.

              The hard part was watching how society did just the opposite yet no matter how much society tried to reward failure there were always those who refused to trade earned self respect for the unearned social promotion of self esteem.

              Just another way of putting it.
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    • Posted by Ibecame 9 years, 4 months ago
      I disagree that you can be a; "hero, a visionary and a jerk all at the same time". I worked within the Hi-Tek arena all through that time and probably know many of the players they will cite in this movie. If not, I have at least met them, or know someone that has, so my comments are not just speculation.

      In the trailer they are painting Steve Jobs as having followed a "Management Style" that always lend to the end of a Hi-Tek company, no matter how large. There are two reasons this can't have existed: 1). Stifling employees, stifles creativity. People just don't become creative when they are pissed on. 2). Why would any employee put up with abuse when the average person of worth in that industry at the time got at least two offers a month from other companies. The biggest challenge for any company during that period was "Retaining Talent".

      Strangely enough, if you look at Apples history it thrived and attracted talent with Steve Jobs, when they ejected him they lost their talent base because of the "Management Style" depicted in the trailer, then when Steve Jobs returned he attracted talent from all over the industry into a concentration within Apple and created a "Gulch" of his own making.

      I would hope everyone on the Gulch would recognize this movie for what it is: Negative Marketing. Unfortunately negative marketing has become the norm, for example "Internet Optimizer" comments made under Amazon "Customer Reviews" and other sites to anything Michael Moore puts out in the way of a movie. This isn't the only marketing move put out either. Examples are "An Inconvenient Truth", or "Starship Troopers 2" for examples although there are many others.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 4 months ago
    Jealousy, envy is part of it. Ideology explains part, too.
    Is it vital that all Hollywood's ideologic enemies have feet of clay?
    It's a trailer, so it may not be indicative of the whole.
    Fortunately, the free market judges mostly on productive results (although phsychological tricks to stimulate demand do have an effect.)
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    • Posted by $ 9 years, 4 months ago
      But you'd think that they'd make a movie that would appeal to those persons who buy and believe in the Apple products ... just look at how Apple markets its products - its ads are directed to its base of users ... who serve as ambassadors of the brand. Anyways, I'll probably catch the movie on VOD unless word-of-mouth is super strong.
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      • Posted by Riftsrunner 9 years, 4 months ago
        I think they are marketing this like an Apple product. I personally avoid Apple because they seem to have a rent mentality when it comes to their customers. While you may have physical possession of the product, they own it. Every fix or modification requires that you return to the Apple store or authorized Apple location. Even replacing the battery voids the warranty if you attempt it outside of Apple's sight. (Not that a battery change is likely considering that the current product is almost obsolete the instant you buy it because the next "upgrade" is only a few months away). And they want you to abandon that "old" product the instant that the "new" one hits the shelves. And while their products are "worth" a little extra because of the quality, this turnover attitude strikes me as just greed pure and simple. It seems like they hold back innovations, just so they can say look what i(phone, pad, pod etc) #X has that #Y doesn't so that they can get people to pay another couple of hundred just to get that "new" iproduct. (All my other high end electronics now have Internet access to download these new innovations to my current product without the need to get a replacement).
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      • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 9 years, 4 months ago
        That's actually my pet peeve about Apple -- they direct their ads at the users, emphasizing how cool you will be if you use their products and rarely what the product will do for you. Since they tell you that by paying the extra money to become one of the cool kids you want to demonstrate that you are by showing their product off.

        It's brilliant. But I kind of want to buy things because of what they do not what they make me.
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        • Posted by $ hash 9 years, 4 months ago
          Apple's products are very significantly superior to all competitors in many ways. You're not paying "to become one of the cool kids", you're paying for the excellent design and streamlined functionality of the product.
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          • Posted by sdesapio 9 years, 4 months ago
            Hear, hear. I was a windows user for 20+ years. Once I made the switch to Apple I've never looked back. Superior in absolutely every way.
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            • Posted by mccannon01 9 years, 4 months ago
              sdesapio, you are soooo TOTALLY correct! I, too, was a Windows user (from MSDOS on!) until I finally threw in the towel in 2010 for my home system and bought an iMac. My employer still required MS based systems, but at home I was so impressed I bought a Macbook Pro, 2 iPhones, an iPad, 2 Apple TVs, and a Time Capsule/router. Apples products work seamlessly together, too. I've NEVER got a "blue screen of death" on either the iMac or Macbook. In fact, over the years, the ONLY times I've had to reboot the iMac is after a power failure or after adding an OS upgrade, which was always free BTW, requiring a reboot. Same for the Macbook Pro. And I leave the iMac on 24/7 because it contains my video library. Does Apple equipment cost more? Sure, but in my experience it is a small price for something that works ALL THE TIME.
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  • Posted by vido 9 years, 4 months ago
    The hero is not so much Job as it is Wozniak, who did actually build the machines.
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    • Posted by $ Thoritsu 9 years, 4 months ago
      Woz was an absolute genius, but his contributions ended after the 68000 Macintosh line. There can be no question who brought the second coming of Apple via the Intel iMacs, iPods, iPhones and iPads. This was all Jobs.
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    • Posted by Ibecame 9 years, 4 months ago
      This sparks a really good point. Who should get the credit? Steve or Steve. I think most people that understand it give them both credit because neither could have done what they did without the other. I know there are a lot (maybe a majority) of managers, boards of directors and CEO's that are really non-contributitors (like James Taggart)). This just wasn't the case with Apple.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 4 months ago
    He and his original partner proved they didn't know crap about running a business. Right up there with Andre Borland. They had the best product too. Gates on the other hand proved you could sell sh--t well enough to keep Apple alive as a competitor by buying or at least acquiring and turning good products into sh--t.
    None of that group had the sex appeal of Evita Peron which proved any air head 'don't you wish you were rich enough to be a liberal' would make a hero out of a supposedly right wing fascist if they were paid enough. Which makes Madonna and and Barbra far more successful at capitalism than Jobs but far less than what's her name.
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  • Posted by Danno 9 years, 4 months ago
    What I really admire about SJ is he funded Apple with equity investments. When SJ left Apple due to illness, Apple had no debt.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 9 years, 4 months ago
    I believe that you have a situation that we see very often in our discussions, where a particular persons characteristics get melded into a singular description " he's an ahole" or "he's a genius". I don't know much about the insider stuff on who did what at Apple, but I do know a lot about Andy Grove of Intel. Andy had a lot of quirks that I hear about Jobs, (maybe not to the degree of some of them), but he could be a real rough houser in a meeting, having a stick with a cleanroom glove on it that had the middle finger raised that he used like a scepter. The Pentium debacle humbled him a lot, as he could not integrate the idea of people worrying about a flaw that would only manifest itself in calculations done by .00001% of the users. It was the perception, not the actual issue he could not grasp. What little I heard about Jobs indicated to me he was a "hard charging, my way or no way" kind of guy. The end result was he did bail them out a couple times that I recall. As far as the personal aspect goes, if we dive into our leaders in both business and politics to the degree they have with him, I am sure they will all turn up as equally "bad" people. Some even have overachieved and surpassed his qualities, like some of our politicians today. Apple does a much better job at listening to consumers, and driving their opinions than Microsoft or the I86 crowd. Their emphasis on graphics and stability were the 2 things that brought them a very loyal band of consumers. And those consumers are willing to pay for that capability. Intel has only woken up to the importance of graphics performance in the last 5 years or so, and hung their hat with MS when it comes to stability, which hasn't ever been a strong point. Like him or not, I think there is enough evidence to say Jobs was impactive in what he did. Hero? I am not so sure...
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 9 years, 4 months ago
    Jobs was a visionary, genius, value creator and leader. No question. He was also nuts. Early on he didn't bathe. He was such a perfectionist he didn't have furniture. He neglected his first daughter, and later tried to atone, but denied it, bu naming his computer line, the Lisa, after her. He refused to consider surgery or conventional treatment for his cancer, even though they caught it very early. He could easily be with us today, if he didn't try to "force his views on reality" ( a force of will he was successful with in business) and rid himself of cancer with diet et al.

    He brought computing to the mainstream with the Apple II. He brought GUIs to the mainstream forever with the Macintosh (no he didn't invent them). These two has Woz right behind him, inventing all kinds of awesome stuff, getting 15% more out of floppy drives by varying the speed with radius, and gobs of other stuff. The Mac was so far ahead of pathetic MS DOS and Windows at that time. The comparisons were completely biased and pathetic. Flat address space. Real workstation processor. Completely consistent user experience in every application. Clean graphics. Just beautiful! Where is that jack-ass, John C. Dvorak now with his idiotic droning about command-lines for "power users"? He should be eating every article he wrote from 1985-1990. Macintoshs were superior in every way. Then Jobs left Apple, screwed up on Next, an then made Pixar into a star. When he came back he rescued Apple from the Motorola/IBM PowerPC, and go them onto the now (not in 1984) superior Intel platform with Unix, and Macs took off again, superior again. Then the iPod (not new into itself), and he revolutionized music. The the iPad and iPhone and he revolutionized phones and brought a new device to the mainstream, the tablet.

    He was a nut, but an absolutely major contributor to society, among a few handful, and I do not include Trump, Larry Ellison or Jack Welch.

    I do not see how Apple can continue to grow without Jobs. Johnny Ive is not the same.
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  • Posted by gaiagal 9 years, 4 months ago
    My observation of people indicates that people lacking in certain virtues take great pleasure in bringing down those who possess them. This appears especially true when the person being taken down is also very successful. It is an expected response. Occasionally it is the reaction of a single individual but, most frequently, it seems to be a group mentality.

    Think of middle school and high school behavior. Some things rarely change.
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  • Posted by $ guinness222 9 years, 4 months ago
    Sometimes the strategy of being "harsh" rather than causing people to hate you, causes them to exceed to higher levels than they ever thought they coud, It's the "tough love" business strategy,.....but make sure you know what you company needss to excel at first!>
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  • Posted by jtrikakis 9 years, 4 months ago
    Steve only wanted to work with "A" players. A players can work under ant conditions because they are motivated to succeed. That is the way it is.
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  • Posted by Eudaimonia 9 years, 4 months ago
    Harmon,

    You are justified in suspecting a Hollywood hit job, especially after that poster.

    What do you not like about the trailer? What do you want to see more or less of?


    BTW:

    I was at the first NeXTworld Expo in San Fran, and the expo was more crazy than what they show in the trailer. There were two rooms separated by a retractable wall, one room for dev companies and VIPs, the other for standard expo goers.

    The VIP room was live. The standard room had streaming video.

    As Jobs came on stage, the streaming video in the standard room went out. The people in that room almost rioted and tried to physically take down the wall.
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    • Posted by Ibecame 9 years, 4 months ago
      I was on the VIP side when that happened, and you had it right. Several of the curtains were pulled down and we though the walls were going to be pushed in. There was a lot of talk about this being orchestrated by Microsoft people at the time, but I don't know how accurate those accusations were. It would make sense since Steve really was a threat to Microsoft, and there were a lot of "laid-off" Microsoft employees at that time as they had started to outsource programing to India. Of course what the displaced people were being told was that the cause was "fierce competition".
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  • Posted by khalling 9 years, 4 months ago
    I think he was a visionary. and then he worked hard to steal others' intellectual property. So, I would love to see him portrayed as they did in Great Again: http://www.amazon.com/Great-Again-Rev...
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    • Posted by $ hash 9 years, 4 months ago
      An entirely baseless accusation. Apple didn't steal any "intellectual property" (itself a highly shaky concept) from anyone. They paid Xerox PARC for a chance to check out and get ideas from their research. That's the most often touted example of Apple's "theft" of "intellectual property" and it is false. Do you know of any other examples?

      OTOH, Windows and Android are shameless copies of Apple products, as are all non-Apple smartphones today and most "Ultrabooks".

      Hell, companies like Samsung and Microsoft even copy Apple's ads!

      If anything, Apple has been the company that has had its own "intellectual property" stolen most often.
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    • Posted by Danno 9 years, 4 months ago
      Except for the fact that Steve Jobs hired the inventor OOP and GUI and the inventor of the MACH kernel among many of the former staffs of those companies and universities who toiled away in obscurity.
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      • Posted by Ibecame 9 years, 4 months ago
        FYI. The part of the story left out here was that Xerox decided not to pursue the desktop computer industry. Carefully applied hindsight indicates that was probably the right decision for Xerox, as it would have diverted their focus. Companies make those types of decisions all of the time. When they shut down that division, those people were forced elsewhere. Was it wrong for Apple to grab these people?
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        • Posted by Danno 9 years, 4 months ago
          Carnegie Melon University hasn't shut down. Mach was born there and SJ hired away the inventor to NeXT. People seem to forget PIXAR too. He stole that?
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          • Posted by Ibecame 9 years, 4 months ago
            Please check your facts before you post. NeXT paid a royalty to Carnegie for the use of Mach Kernel. When Carnegie discontinued the project the lead developer Richard Rashid went to Microsoft's Research and development Division. One member of the development team, Avie Tevanian was hired into NeXT and later ended up at Apple.

            Steve Jobs (Apple) purchased PIXAR from George Lucas when he spun that off from Lucasfilm Ltd.

            How can purchasing something be stealing?
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