The Real Evidence on Patents

Posted by dbhalling 9 years, 4 months ago to Philosophy
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The richest most technologically advanced countries are those with the strongest patent laws and those with the weakest patent laws are the poorest, do not create technologies, and the most technologically backward. Admit this and admit that you are arguing against a property right, based on the formulation of property rights that the US was created on, and admit that you are arguing for changing the constitution, which guarantees the rights of inventors to their inventions. No you ignore all the evidence. You are like socialists who complain about sweat shops in capitalism and ignore gulags and mass starvation in socialist countries Failure to acknowledge these basic facts means that you are just being dishonest, which I will not tolerate anymore.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 9 years, 4 months ago
    db: I enjoyed your presentation immensely. It makes me want to dig into some of the post 2000 stuff.

    Stick to your guns, guy, You make sense out of what should be a simple, straight forward concept; but is made convoluted and complex by non-inventors. The implementation of ideas is the only thing that makes all of our lives better and more fruitful. I pity the man that's never experienced the sense of achievement and even joy of doing so.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago
    Among the total dishonest people on this site on this issue is WilliamShipley. His dishonest is so deep that yes, I have called him a bottom sucker, which he totally deserved.
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    • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago
      Mr Shipley did comment, but because he refuse to admit even the most basic facts about patents (of which he had not expertise), I have hidden his comments.
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      • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 9 years, 4 months ago
        Or, possibly because I simply disagree with you.

        You keep trying to make this about something that it isn't. I believe in the necessity to protect IP. I think that a vibrant creative industry is important.

        I do think that Patents have a flaw with respect to copyrights because a Patent allows you to stop someone from using something they independently thought of.

        Your answer to this is the absurd contention that two people can't have the same idea. We ALL know that this can happen.
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    • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 9 years, 4 months ago
      Clearly your emotions have gotten the better of you.

      I don't understand why you can't have a reasonable discussion without calling names.
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      • Posted by khalling 9 years, 4 months ago
        You began this yesterday on a post that was not about IP. It was your intention to goad. We have to fight thiese battles daily. and while there is no legislation currently being pushed to ban Christians (ahem) there is against independent inventors. It is difficult to read comments such as "the explosion of software patents in the 90s" and not get mad. From the moment you came to this site you wanted to argue against property rights for SOME inventions. It has been a goal you perpetuate false information on this site which draws the support of many Libertarians. Again, no one is pushing legislation to ban Christians. They are pushing legislation which will remove property rights from inventors and stunt their livelihoods. You support them either explicitly or as a useful idiot. Either way, you are supporting my enemies and I will call it out.
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        • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 9 years, 4 months ago
          No, I did not intend to goad, I specifically mentioned that while some libertarians are against IP protection others, including myself, are definitely in favor of it. You thought it was a goad. That was not my intention, it was a comment relative to the discussion.

          And, I have always argued for the protection of IP rights for software developers -- via the copyright mechanism which I endorse and use.
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          • Posted by khalling 9 years, 4 months ago
            copyrights will protect you against someone who literally makes a copy. Since there are many ways to write the same code, that is a minimal protection. A patent covers the invention, that which is the ideas's utility, it's usefulness, how it does the useful. They are completely different and you are only minimally protected. In the 80s, hackers were against copyrights even and note EFF is not just against patents but copyrights any protection against softeware. It is a socialist movement. Guess who it gets money from? Big Cronies.
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            • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 9 years, 4 months ago
              The EFF does not have a monotheistic approach to IP protection. As I said, there is a spectrum of opinions. There are those who think all software should be free -- I am not among them I make my living with software.

              And, yes there are many ways to write the same code -- my competitors are welcome to do so and do. The writing of the code and the debugging of it is the essence of programming.

              Leaving aside the wiring argument, programming is far more like writing a novel than it is wiring circuits. I've done both and can assure you. When you are writing a novel you don't check to see if there is a patent on a boy having a dog, you put a boy and a dog in your story. There are many ways to do that and your unique way of doing so is your intellectual property.

              I can't copy your story but I can have a boy with a dog in mine.
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          • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago
            Admit the three points above or I will hide you.
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            • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 9 years, 4 months ago
              Feel free to hide me. I will agree with things that I logically agree with and I will disagree with the things I logically disagree with.

              I may not yet have studied all of Ayn Rand's writings but you don't have to look far to realize that the key characteristic she values is reason.

              Threats and insults are not a part of a reasoned argument.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago
    Mr. Shipley continues to ignore or lie about the most basic facts on patents. He is sophist of the worst sort.
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    • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 9 years, 4 months ago
      Is there a point to this string of public insults? Are you going to, at some point in this process, have a discussion like gentleman?

      I continue to say that I believe there is a philosophical problem with patents with respect to independent (not simultaneous) invention.

      You continue to cling to the idea that it is impossible for two people to come up with the same idea so that you don't have to address the deprivation of one of them of the fruits of their labor.

      You portray yourself as someone who has deeply studied philosophy. I would expect that you would have no trouble with discussing this without insults.
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