FORM 1040 (1913) - 1913.pdf

Posted by XenokRoy 11 years, 8 months ago to Politics
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The Federal banded income tax (redistribution of wealth) is 100. This is what the illegal document (until the 16th amendment in 1913) looked like back then. To bad we cant abolish that amendment and make it illegal again.
SOURCE URL: http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-utl/1913.pdf


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    • Posted by 11 years, 8 months ago
      David,

      I do not agree, but do agree. I think what your saying is true, but your saying slightly off.

      It is currently legal to do income tax, and our neighbors have gotten together and voted that its OK to steal our lawn furniture and a whole lot more. This does make it legal.

      It does not make it moral.

      Legal by US law, is not the same as legal by moral or natural law. It is not moral and is against natural law. Since we have made theft legal is it any wonder that so much larger percentage of our citizens consider theft lawful today than did in 1913?

      I have always wondered when people muse about why the morals of people have dropped so much over the last 100 years, why the connection cannot be made between immoral law such as this one, and the growth of immoral nature of people.

      Ultimately there are three things I am getting at with this post.

      * It is legal to charge us Income tax based on US law. It should not be.

      * It was immoral to make that legal because it contradicts the natural law that "by the sweat of thy brow you will eat all the days of thy life." which is a great way of saying, you keep what you earn and do what you want with it.

      * When a societies highest law becomes immoral the society will follow. IE when societies highest law says its legal to steal that society to a larger and larger percentage will become thieves.

      Sir William Blackstone said it perhaps best (which I will paraphrase as the 1750 English is a bit rough). If the king says the world is flat does that make it so? Our Kings have said its legal so it is by our law, but does it really make it so by natural law?

      So while I agree with you in premise the reality is that until the 16th amendment is gone the US Law allows income tax, and whatever other tax they want to charge. The king has said the world is flat and it is so, until some one or some group proves otherwise.

      PS. I also think that if I shot my neighbors who were stealing my long chairs I would go to jail and they would not. I think that very wrong, and once again making evil good and good evil but that is the upside down world we live in.


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        • Posted by 11 years, 8 months ago
          You are once again wrong.

          There was a constitution amendment passed by the constitutional method that allows federal income tax. How is using the process that our republic allowed not legal? Are you saying that a constitutional amendment done in the way the constitution outlines is not legal?
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            • Posted by LionelHutz 11 years, 8 months ago
              The problem with this reasoning - sound though it may be - is that you will end up in the slammer acting on it. So long as the courts uphold bad laws and amendments like the 16th, you will only be discussing how in the right you are with your cellmates when you choose to violate them. Though you really shouldn't have to go through the pain of getting bad legislators and judges out of office, and though you shouldn't have to educate the public at large to vote for proper people in order to correct the situation, it is the only jail-free way to get the job done. Going to jail on the principle of being right is of no value unless hundreds of thousands disobey simultaneously.
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                • Posted by 11 years, 8 months ago
                  To an earlier statement I do get it. From a moral perspective I agree, however the reality that we have is not moral. There was no moral definition within the constitution, the founders thought men better than they are and did not write down, as part of it the restriction on reducing the freedom of the people. Its not there, any amendment they can get through is legal. We need constitution to state, as you stated; Any law, amendment, decree, edict of "Any kind that reduced the freedom of the individual is not valid or legal. This law may not be removed by amendment." Then what you say would be true. Where is that part of the constitution? Its only inferred as it is not there and should have been. Because it is not there we will end up in a war to put it there.

                  So the short answer is yes, you think the lawful process that was set up and followed is not lawful if it infringes on the rights of the people. Then you best go back and tell Washington, Adams and Hamilton all that they invalidated the country when they passed the whiskey tax and then again with the sedition act. By your logic the people failed to follow the constitution with only a few years of its ratification.

                  The issue is the guiding principle of the constitution is not in it. It should have been. Two of the men who lead its creation and ratification very quickly discarded it, a third did the same but later realized the error of it.

                  The best way we could do it again today would require about 30% of the productive population. This happens to also be about what they had when the declaration was signed. Majority were Tories.

                  If 30% of all productive people, business owners and individual would simply stop paying any state or federal taxes at the same time, it would all end. No violence needed, though I am sure it would be used against us. The feds would be bankrupt in a quarter and most states would be the quarter after that. Because of a handful of people 30% were willing to risk everything for a chance for freedom, and it would take it again, not just a handful.
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                • Posted by LionelHutz 11 years, 8 months ago
                  What's a handful to you? The Revolutionary War had THOUSANDS involved. My point is the number needs to be more than the prison space they have available. Otherwise you end up with this:

                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_and_...
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                  • Posted by 11 years, 8 months ago
                    Thanks for the link. It would take more than just the seats in prison, it would take enough to collapse the current system so that the government could no longer afford to pay people to come after those that did it. About 1/3 of the productive people, as the other two thirds could not support the beast without the 1/3 that choose to strike.
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