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Illinois Concealed Carry gets moving, the last state to put CC into the hands of the citizens

Posted by stargeezer 10 years, 11 months ago to Politics
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This has taken four decades, lots of people died for lack of this and after the state Supreme Court forced the state to enact it one year ago, we are finally being allowed to sign up for it. My permit is #588.
SOURCE URL: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/01/06/Illinoisans-Flood-Online-Conceal-Carry-Application-Site

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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 11 months ago
    "put concealed carry into the hands of the citizens"?

    Uh... no... we've had concealed carry all along. It's called the freaking 2nd Amendment.

    Concealed Carry laws are unConstitutional.
    (yes, I'm starting to sound like a broken record; not my fault... if more people would just *read* the document).
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  • Posted by $ WillH 10 years, 11 months ago
    Yet another small victory. Really this one is pretty good size considering it means that there is a way to CC in all 50 states now. Congrats on getting your permit there. I am still avoiding that state as there is nothing there I really want to see anyway. I find my Tennessee permit covers most any state I would actually want to go to.
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    • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 11 months ago
      My 2nd Amendment covers the entire U.S.
      But... inter armes, silent leges.
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      • Posted by $ WillH 10 years, 11 months ago
        I have said it before and I will say it again. I agree with you wholeheartedly on Constitutional Carry, but strap one on, walk around in IL and let us know how it goes for you.
        It is illogical to deny the laws that exist. We must work to repeal these unjustifiable laws. Denying their existence does nothing. Now, if you are planning an armed revolt against the government that changes everything.
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        • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 11 months ago
          I don't deny their existence. I assert their illegitimacy. Would you advocate that I eschew the public forum, popular opinion, the rule of law, and simply get into a gunfight with the police which I can't win, because people who agree with me whole-heartedly won't back me up?

          Why is it the issue has never come before the Supreme Court? That the 2nd Amendment means what it says? Even that gawdawful 1934 decision, which was wrong, was based on some bizarre definition of "military" weapons.

          You applaud and call it a small victory... .WHEN IT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL. You are supporting an unConstitutional law. The State does not have the authority to grant you permission to carry a weapon in any way whatsoever, any more than it has the authority to restrict you from carrying a weapon in any way whatsoever.
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          • Posted by $ WillH 10 years, 11 months ago
            I give up dude. Whatever. If you cannot see incremental progress as a good thing giving the liberal media’s constant hammering on gun owners then so be it. Expanding gun rights is the right thing to do, and at this time imo our best bet is to keep it rolling backwards until we finally get it all back. You’re not going to get the land mark Supreme Court decision affirming the 2A until we roll the tide of restrictions back all the way to their door step.

            The battle for the states is where the action is right now. Am I saying future armed conflict with the federal government is out of the question? No. I am saying however, that I do not believe the time for that is now; just when we are beginning to see people coming around.

            There is a difference in someone who supports unconstitutional law and someone who has different ideas than you on how to change them.
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            • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 11 months ago
              Incremental progress IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION.

              Which part of "getting permission to do something which cannot require permission to do" do you not understand?

              You can't expand gun rights; the right exists, there is no expansion or contraction. The Constitution protects it. These laws violate it.
              By applauding concealed carry laws you are applauding giving the State more power than it has the authority to claim.

              You don't have different ideas how to change them; you have ideas to embrace them.
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