Come and take'em

Posted by stargeezer 10 years, 11 months ago to Legislation
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This video pretty much sums up how a lot of us gun owners feel about what's been going on in DC. The musical accompaniment is very good (to me) and I'll be adding it to a "special" playlist it will "fit" nicely with.

Only a person who thinks that government can decide what tools I own. Some of my tools go buzzzzz, some go hmmm and some go bang, they are all tools.

SOURCE URL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgwDGV047yE#t=25


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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 11 months ago
    Sounds great but...

    "Come and take it"... that was the Confederacy's sentiment.

    "You'll have to pry it from our cold dead hands".

    Nice sentiment.

    Most American males above a certain age have seen the movie, "Zulu". The song "Men of Harlech" is given new lyrics, but the sentiment remains the same, "Welshmen...will not yield!"*

    Harlech castle actually fell.

    What has been demonstrated by the opposition, long before Ruby Ridge or Waco, is "come and take it" is no deterrent, and "pry it from our cold dead hands" is no conscientious impediment. Many, I suspect, would prefer it that way.

    There's a scene in red dawn where an American citizen's body is laying behind his pickup, with the bumper sticker clearly visible, "They can pry it from my cold, dead hand"... as a Cuban mercenary in the foreground pries the pistol from his cold dead hand.

    So, this is a very heartening video, but I take Rhett Butler's view on the matter:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S72nI4Ex_...
    of course, we all know history repeats (especially in fiction)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tF27OtzAs...

    *In the 100 degree afternoon heat, when the heat and exhaustion from laying brick were getting to me, when I was young and foolish, the jobsite would ring with the sound of my whistling "Gary Owen"... when that failed, my last ditch effort to dredge the last bit of strength and energy from myself was to begin singing "Men of Harlech".
    My body's paying for that foolishness now.

    The moral of my comment is, you shouldn't taunt the tiger until you're certain you have a sufficiently powerful hunting rifle, and that it is primed and ready.
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    • Posted by DrZarkov99 10 years, 11 months ago
      In case anyone has forgotten, the first meeting of the citizen militia and the professional British military on Lexington Green didn't go so well for the civilians. Going head-to-head against technologically superior professionals is definitely stupid. A citizen militia has to engage in asymmetric conflict, using ambush and surprise as much as possible.

      It took many of the American revolutionaries a few hard, bloody lessons to learn that standing toe-to-toe against a superior foe may be brave, but guarantees defeat. It was the Virginia rifle companies, able to kill at longer range from cover that made the difference until a truly competitive American military force was built and trained.

      Arrogance and stupidity isn't just apparent in some of the "taunters". Our government is so obsessed with controlling "assault" weapons they've forgotten that the deadliest enemy is an experienced hunter that can kill with every shot from a bolt action rifle, or kill from ambush with a shotgun.
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      • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 11 months ago
        The guys who scare me are the hunters who like using muzzle-loaders. Someone who can take down deer with a muzzle loader is going to be scary accurate with a modern cartridge rifle, imo.
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  • Posted by xthinker88 10 years, 11 months ago
    Does anybody buy into the notion that the US military will not fire on those upholding the 2nd Amendment if it comes to it? I don't. I think most soldiers and marines will pull the trigger on their fellow citizens when told to do so. Especially if it is framed in such a way that they are defending the nation from a few radical right wing terrorists.
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    • Posted by khalling 10 years, 11 months ago
      There is a great segment on wnd radio interviewing a soldier regarding hurricane Katrina. He felt surreal taking citizens' firearm protection but the units distanced themselves from the moral delimna by joking about it.
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      • Posted by xthinker88 10 years, 11 months ago
        Of course it is difficult to distance yourself from it if people shoot back. But then i think it quickly devolves into an "us" vs "them" mentality and the soldiers and marines will act with enthusiasm.
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    • Posted by $ Commander 10 years, 11 months ago
      And I shall be in the front ranks, flag of parley in hand, citing a poem to my opponent "under arms".


      My name is Charlie Porter
      I was a union soldier
      In ‘61, I signed up to fight
      And it was a great adventure
      But I have to tell you
      Not the fairytale I had in mind

      And when General Lee surrendered
      And victory finally arrived
      I heard no one hoot or holler
      No hip-hurray for the stars and stripes
      We only cried

      Back when it started
      Proud and foolish hearted
      I thought I had a taste for rebel blood
      But we were only children
      They killed us and we killed them
      And the misery and the dying made us numb

      By then, holding back the sorrow
      Was kind of like holding back the tide
      The men did not hoot or holler
      Nor hip-hurray for the stars and stripes
      We only cried

      And oh, victory seems hollow
      At the price of half a million lives
      A cold and weary stillness follows
      You hear no hip-hurray for stars and stripes
      You only cry

      You can hear the song here. http://songmeanings.com/songs/view/35308...
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      • Posted by $ Susanne 10 years, 11 months ago
        Sadly, by the time you got to "Porter" one of the "just obeying the commands of those over me" privates will have shot you. Remember there are people in the service who feel their CIC is always right, even when he's wrong wrong wrong. Look at Katrina. Look at the NG at airports right after 9-11-01.

        Because it only takes that one to put out the lights of a resister... and remember, to the gov YOU, not them, are the quislings...
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    • Posted by jimjamesjames 10 years, 11 months ago
      American soldiers will fire on Americans when ordered by thinking, "I'm safe, my family is safe, I have a career ahead of me and too much to lose by disobeying orders." As, I believe, Thoreau said, "When you say you have too much to lose, you have already lost." They have made a choice and will rationalize that choice by minimizing their oath.

      My best friend's mom made a comment about 50 years ago (I'm 70) that finally sunk in. And being on the down slope of my life, it has sunk in, making sense. She said, "When the final tally is made, if you get two of them, they can never get even."
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  • Posted by livefree-NH 10 years, 11 months ago
    There are a lot of dead guys who felt that way, just during my lifetime from Vietnam through Afghanistan and Iraq (and much much more, I'm sure) who were fighting and dying for this country. Were they fighting and dying for Nixon? For me personally? For my parents (my dad was active military, too, now RIP)? Who were they dying for? It seems that they were dying so that this over-reaching government would not escalate and cause even more deaths of its own citizens and others. In a simplistic way, kind of like throwing virgins into the volcano to accomplish the same thing.

    (to my friends here: please be sure that I am NOT crapping on anyone who has served, and/or died doing so!!! My position is still that the government is the bad guy. And I also love my neighbor as myself, and I will stand with him when the goons come to take his (or my) guns away.

    I think that my community is smaller than it was before... it used to be roughly the size of the US and now it's more limited to people who agree with my "limited government" point of view. I will still "defend to the death" certain things for certain people, but not "all for one / one for all" like it used to be.

    Sorry.
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    • Posted by DrZarkov99 10 years, 11 months ago
      It never was "all for one/one for all". Even after the publication of the Declaration of Independence, only about a third of the colonists expressed a willingness to fight for the freedom demanded in that document. Another third were passionately hoping the Crown would negotiate to give them the rights of other English citizens, and the rest just wanted to be left alone.

      Less than 10% of the American colonists took up arms against the Crown, and just about as many were "tories" who fought as a civilian militia against the revolutionaries.

      What made the difference in the outcome was a combination of a skillful, experienced American commander, arrogance and stupid decisions by some British commanders, luck, and the canny ability of Benjamin Franklin to gain French support.

      America's uniqueness has been the ability to pull together in spite of our differences, even when some refuse to act on their own behalf. Any new American conflict will not be anything but a bloody mess, with the outcome likely to be either fragmentation into smaller states, or a more militaristic, authoritarian government.
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  • Posted by dwcarmi 10 years, 11 months ago
    Many here don't know Texas history. At the time that Gonzales happened actually shortly afterward Fannin's men from Goliad were executed on their way to the Alamo.. The Alamo is holy ground in Texas, where against orders 185 men gave Sam Houston 13 days before being overrun by vastly superior numbers that led to Texas's independence. Texan's still feel that same way, they will stand against superior numbers and outgunned to give their people time to make their stand on ground of their choosing.
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  • Posted by whiskysmuggler 10 years, 11 months ago
    Amen.
    This is the very reason that no one has actually attacked mainland USA. Patriots are feared worldwide. Evidenced by the Revolutionary war.
    We may be heading back in that direction, but I think that the youth of America are finally becoming more conservative. They are starting to realize that the Democrat way has veered way left and is no longer a middle of the road 'help the poor' but a rob everyone and boost the elite few ( Imperial few ).
    Also look at the firearm sales in the past five years. That is a whole lot of ' Rip from my cold dead fingers'.
    Proud to be an American...
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    • Posted by strugatsky 10 years, 11 months ago
      Sorry, but I think that you're in a dream land. I am much more in agreement with DrZarkov99 that geographical isolation has been the major protector of America and, I would add, sheer size and past strength. None of those factors are relevant today or in the near future. After WWII, most nations have learned that it is much cheaper and more effective to conquer other nations with economics rather than weapons. And we are loosing the war...
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    • Posted by DrZarkov99 10 years, 11 months ago
      Geographic isolation is the main reason the U.S.A. hasn't been attacked. Canada could make the same claim, since no one has attempted an invasion of their soil, either (except for a few misguided Americans).

      It's delusional to attribute some magical quality to American independence. The simple fact is that we're mostly rejects, who rebel at any idea of control - sort of the juvenile delinquents of proper, domesticated European society.

      The big problem Progressives are facing is an equally delusional idea that the (supposedly) peaceful, idyllic European condition is due to an equally unrealistic idea that a more communal society is more rational. There's always been the conflict between liberty and security, and the rebels always favor liberty (even when they espouse security).
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      • Posted by $ 10 years, 11 months ago
        I seem to recall one of the Javanese Generals did not want to invade America because there would "be an American with a rifle behind every bush". I can't recall the name but it was the same general who planned Pearl harbor invasion opening WWII.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 10 years, 11 months ago
    When the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991 and the Party wanted to replace Gorbachev and return the Party rule, the Politburo ordered a Division commander to move his tanks into Moscow. Well knowing that he was facing execution, the General refused. The Politburo then ordered another Division commander to do the same and he, too, refused. Those were two courageous patriots. In observing the behavior and actions of the US military, I would venture that 50% (or more) of the soldiers and the lower ranking officers will refuse to fire on their own citizens, but probably most of the generals will follow the orders and will direct the fire.
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    • Posted by DrZarkov99 10 years, 11 months ago
      Upper ranks in any military are always political animals. The purging of the flag officer ranks of the American military now ongoing is due to the ignorance of the political establishment, thinking the loyalty of senior officer ranks will guarantee blind obedience from the lower ranks. There is a reason why most military purges originate in the field grade leadership (Majors and Lt Colonels).
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