Moore: Disarm the Police, Release Black Drug Offenders from Prison

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— Michael Moore April 30, 2015
“Here's my demand: I want every African-American currently incarcerated for drug "crimes" or nonviolent offenses released from prison today.

And the rest who are imprisoned- I don’t believe 50% of them did what they're accused of. Lies. Greed. A modern day slave system. Poor whites also.

Next demand: Disarm the police. We have a 1/4 billion 2nd amendment guns in our homes 4 protection. We'll survive until the right cops are hired.

Local cops now militarized. Founding Fathers said NO army policing on our soil. Why do cops have tanks? Oh, right - the Enemy: The Black Man”
— Michael Moore April 30, 2015

We need an national Blue-Flu epidemic.
48-60 hours of EVERY Law Enforcement Officer to be out sick. We have spilt our blood, risked our lives and friends have paid the ultimate sacrifice to an EXTREMELY ungrateful public. I didn’t do the job for a pat on the back but I didn’t think every tour would be a trip into an enemy zone.

They think they can do better, step up in our absence.

The essence of John Galt and his plan to stop the motor of the world: tell men of the mind, like himself, to go on strike against the collectivistic system that thanklessly exploited them.

“Happiness is possible only to a rational man, the man who desires nothing but rational goals, seek nothing but rational values and finds his joy in nothing but rational actions.”
― Ayn Rand


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    Posted by 9 years, 6 months ago
    I have fought to defend the ability of both you and Mr Moore to express you point of view. My oath is to support and defend the constitution. However I would ask that you consider:

    Crimes (laws and penalties) are not directed by the police but the legislature. Talk with, vote for politics that support the issues.

    Police enforce that which they are directed. No busts for pot in CO!

    I’m for open-carry, an armed society is a polite society.

    The escalation (equipment arms race) has been in response to threats presented against the police, not by the police to tread over.
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    • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 9 years, 6 months ago
      I think that the escalation has been more in the nature of opportunity. With military hardware available for free or at low cost, there is a tendency to get toys to play with.

      There are now swat raids on relatively low threat situations because if you have a swat team and they have lots of stuff you use them instead of knocking on the door.
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    • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 6 months ago
      I would be more inclined to believe that last line if the police used Tasers and pepper spray only to defend lives (which is what they're supposed to be for) rather than as ways of torturing anyone who argues with them. Legitimate cops don't punish "contempt of cop" unless it occurs after they've told the suspect he's under arrest.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 9 years, 6 months ago
    Yes, look carefully at this rant. There are some nuggets of goodness in here, but he is so simplistic and seemingly touchy feely that he would let out the baby with the bath water and then blame the bathtub company. This whole mess is a result of s systemic collapse brought on by frustration of cops with idiot politicians and lawyers and judges, and dumbass laws that become so complicated and smeared by "case law" and "interpretations" that they mean nothing but what they want today, resulting in unequal treatment, and latent racism on the part of said politicians, lawyers, prosecutors and judges. Go fix that Big Boy.
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    • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 6 months ago
      I agree. Removing everyone from jail who is there due to non-violent activities relating to drugs would do a lot to reduce the people incarcerated to a reasonable number. We should rationally precede that by making 'drugs' per se 'not a crime'. Then we let people go; do not expunge their records, just make it a policy that non-violent drug arrests are irrelevant.

      Jan
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 6 months ago
    If you just delete the race stuff, I strongly agree with everything Moore says in these quotes.

    "Here's my demand: I want every African-American current incarcerated for drug "crimes" or nonviolent offense release from prison today."
    I agree with Moore on this, as long as we do the same for all races. It's not a racial issue.

    " Disarm the police. We have a 1/4 billion 2nd amendment guns in our homes 4 protection. We'll survive until the right cops are hired. "
    I agree with the basic idea of this too. Part of the reason for the 2nd Amendment is b/c a free people need to be grownups and have their right to protect themselves respected. I agree with having the average police officer investing petty crimes armed with the same weapons citizens can legally carry. If there's a specific threat, they can bring out high-power weapons, but I do not think police need guns to investigate routine petty crimes.

    "Local cops now militarized. Founding Fathers said NO army policing on our soil. Why do cops have tanks?"
    I agree with Moore on this too, except for the part about race. Let's demilitarize the police to how they were in the past when SWAT raids were for rare emergencies like hostage situations.
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    • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 6 months ago
      I agree with Wm and CG on SWAT raids, but I do not agree with folks on demilitarization of police. We need better police, with better ethics and better relations with the people they are protecting. Then we need to give them all the military toys they would like.

      We live in a world where terrorists are turning up on every streetcorner. In France, many of the police do not even have guns. In the USA, I want the police to have All the Toys their little hearts desire so that they can act as local forces to put down people whom I consider to be enemies.

      The trick, of course, is to limit 'enemies' to that definition.

      Jan
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    • Posted by Technocracy 9 years, 6 months ago
      -1

      Release drug crimes/non violent offense - Not all drug crimes are the same. Users are one thing, dealers are something else, particularly when they have been convicted with weapons use/violations as well. Also, do you want all the habitual drunk drivers out on the roads as well? Release them in Michael Moore's neighborhood, or yours if you want them out so bad.

      Disarm the police, we have guns in our homes ...
      Not in most cities, heavy gun control disarms the law abiding. Gives the criminals the opportunity to do whatever they like in gun free areas. e.g. New York City, most big cities for that matter and some states like New Jersey or Pennsylvania.
      For a lot of the populace the police, even though they are a reaction force, and flawed though they may be, are the only help they have.

      Local cops now militarized Why do cops have tanks?

      Do they? cite where and when.
      MRAPS are not tanks, nor are APCs.
      Would you object to armored cars like Loomis or Wells Fargo uses to transport money?
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 6 months ago
        "particularly when they have been convicted with weapons use/violations as well"
        These are not "nonviolent offenses".

        "heavy gun control disarms the law abiding. "
        Right, but I'm saying to stop the gun control and respect people's 2nd Amendment right instead of giving guns just to police.

        "Local cops now militarized Why do cops have tanks? Do they?"
        Armored vehicles that police shoot from, although not with external guns controlled from inside, are close to being tanks. This is the opposite of traditional policing with police patrolling neighborhoods they know, interacting with citizens, and only bringing out armored vehicles for special situations.
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        • Posted by Technocracy 9 years, 6 months ago
          The proposition was drug crimes OR non violent offenses.

          People have a second amendment right. That does not mean a particular jurisdiction respects that right. Failing to acknowledge that many areas have disarmed the law abiding populace through regulation is ignoring REALITY. The solution to that is not disarming the police, that only leads to ONLY the non law abiding having guns.

          Calling any vehicle with armor a tank is hyperbole, plain and simple. They are not even close to being tanks. If the police were going around in tanks it would be all over the news. Not to mention tearing up the roads, damage which is not something easy to hide or overlook.
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    • Posted by Ibecame 9 years, 6 months ago
      CG; You need to take a hard look at what is happening in Chicago, and then we can have an intelligent discussion about this. Police are not perfect, sadly they are grossly undertrained compared to when I was young, but thats the way the world is today. They also used to have partners to "back them up". Just my opinion, but I just can't listen to a sub-human moron like Michael Moore spouting stupidity. He is nothing more than Wesley Mouche's lead propogandist. He wouldn't last 10 seconds in many areas of Chicago without a gun. The same areas police are expected to patrol on a regular basis.
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  • Posted by NealS 9 years, 6 months ago
    It's almost like Michael Moore is begging for someone to break in and rob his mansion. Everyone knows it would be pretty safe to do as the police probably wouldn't respond, at least not in a very timely manner. It might take them a week to respond to an alarm.

    Then again, I wonder what he's got in armed body guards hanging around. It's so ironic, they yell fair share, then don't pay their taxes. They want everyone to disarm, but have armed body guards. They want the government to force us to share the wealth, yet they do little for charity themselves. As long as it's someone else's money they contribute. Look at the Clinton Foundation, what a great place to work, good pay and benefits, little goes to the cause and majority of the bucks go to benefit the founders and their hand selected staff of friends and relatives.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 9 years, 6 months ago
    The result would play well for the wealthy, and physically fit / martially competent and the gun owners.

    The unprotected, the liberals and poor, would be met with widespread looting and oppression.

    Doesn't seem like a typical Moore objective, but please do let it play out with full authorship from teletubby-boy, along with addresses and maps to his homes. (I may need some new furnishings)
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  • Posted by $ sjatkins 9 years, 6 months ago
    There is no justification for telling adult persons what they may or may not consume. There is no justification for the laws against [some] drugs nor the draconian attacks on freedom and BoR protections that have resulted. It is completely immoral that over 2 million Americans are in prison and that nearly 60% are there for owning, growing or selling a weed.

    Anyone that says otherwise need to from first principles show that legitimate government has any ethical justification for such laws and practices.
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  • Posted by mccannon01 9 years, 6 months ago
    Ah yes... Michael Moore. He is the personification of a one-percenter the left loves to hate, except they don't. He has made a fortune exploiting the ignorant masses by taking their money and offering negative value in return. If Bernie Madoff had scammed the people ala Michael Moore, he wouldn't be in prison and the swindled losers would love him for it.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 6 months ago
    After or perhaps before James Carville the first or perhaps second liberal for hire announces a new movie. Sorry Comrade....you are now in second place after Al Bore for cRap.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 6 months ago
    If Moore's call for people to be freed were limited to those who did victimless crimes, I'd agree with him on everything he says here. But thieves, even if nonviolent, need to stay in prison. And the victims of overcriminalization and police brutality are no longer nearly all black, though they once were.

    I have doubts about the authenticity of the quote, though, because MM is not a 2nd Amendment supporter, and he knows very well that most Americans who have guns at home are not on his side. If Ferguson or Baltimore had happened after the police were disarmed, I believe the property owners would have killed the looters very quickly -- and I'd be all in favor of that result, but Moore would not.
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  • Posted by Eyecu2 9 years, 6 months ago
    I intensely dislike Mr. Moore; however, I will support one small part of his demands. Local cops do not need tanks. In general there should be a large reduction in the amount of SWAT teams and military hardware that police have access to.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 9 years, 6 months ago
    A modern day slave system, Big Mike?
    To succeed, a slave system would have to turn a profit.
    That may work by exploiting North Korean citizens.

    http://thelawdictionary.org/article/what...

    As a corrections officer, part of my annual advanced training consisted of ways to keep the Alabama DOC and myself from getting sued.
    Personally, I was sued three times within my 21 years..
    Fortunately, the local federal court tossed out all three as frivolous before I had to show up anywhere.
    Psst! One inmate sued me for having the audacity of writing him up after he kicked me in the butt while I had my hands full struggling with another inmate.
    How terrible of me!



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  • Posted by RonC 9 years, 6 months ago
    "Geez Wally, I wonder if Mr. Moore notice the outcome in Garland TX; police 2, terrorists 0!"

    "I don't know Beav, maybe he thinks mass killing of free speech devotees is a good thing."
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  • Posted by woodlema 9 years, 6 months ago
    I think that is a great idea personally, With ONE provision.

    Every one released must live with Moore, and Moore is 100% accountable and responsible for them financially for one year after their release. AND if they commit a crime, Moore must spend time in each ones cell until they do their time.
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